War Spending To Pass $400 Billion

[Witling]

The White House acknowledges the upcoming requests would cause total spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan since Sept. 11, 2001, to soar well past the $400 billion mark, while spending for hurricane relief would top $100 billion.

From The Associated Press

Res ipsa loquitor. The thing speaks for itself.

 

[magomago]

There were "flowers" at the beginning, we just walked all over them and pissed off the population a thousand times over. Hard to expect them to throw flowers after all our blunders, scandals both military and financial, and carpet bagging of the country

 

[xaeniac]

just print more money; what is the answer to the national deficit? Oh i got it print more money. Don't worry the U.S. has it undercontrol. What debt we can just print money to get us out. No worries

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: xaeniac
just print more money; what is the answer to the national deficit? Oh i got it print more money. Don't worry the U.S. has it undercontrol. What debt we can just print money to get us out. No worries

you dont quite understand how the national debt works, do you?

 

[sandorski]

More proof Kerry was an idiot. $200billion, puhlease!!!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: xaeniac
just print more money; what is the answer to the national deficit? Oh i got it print more money. Don't worry the U.S. has it undercontrol. What debt we can just print money to get us out. No worries

you dont quite understand how the national debt works, do you?

*tap sarcasm meter 😉

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: xaeniac
just print more money; what is the answer to the national deficit? Oh i got it print more money. Don't worry the U.S. has it undercontrol. What debt we can just print money to get us out. No worries

you dont quite understand how the national debt works, do you?

Yeah, we borrow from our good, Communist, child-labor using, Chinese buddies!

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: xaeniac
just print more money; what is the answer to the national deficit? Oh i got it print more money. Don't worry the U.S. has it undercontrol. What debt we can just print money to get us out. No worries

you dont quite understand how the national debt works, do you?

Yeah, we borrow from our good, Communist, child-labor using, Chinese buddies!

Actually, China and Japan have dropped to nearly nothing on loaning the US government money and Carribean Banking Centers have replaced them as the main source of money! :shocked:

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: xaeniac
just print more money; what is the answer to the national deficit? Oh i got it print more money. Don't worry the U.S. has it undercontrol. What debt we can just print money to get us out. No worries

you dont quite understand how the national debt works, do you?

*tap sarcasm meter 😉

Click me! 🙂

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: xaeniac
just print more money; what is the answer to the national deficit? Oh i got it print more money. Don't worry the U.S. has it undercontrol. What debt we can just print money to get us out. No worries

you dont quite understand how the national debt works, do you?

Yeah, we borrow from our good, Communist, child-labor using, Chinese buddies!

Actually, China and Japan have dropped to nearly nothing on loaning the US government money and Carribean Banking Centers have replaced them as the main source of money! :shocked:

Amazing! But not surprising... I wouldn't loan the Bush regime any money.

 

[Pens1566]

No worries, we can pay it off using Iraqi oil.

 

[DealMonkey]

The not being welcomed with flowers was one thing -- I got over that, right after the neocons even suggested it. But, it was the "pay for itself with oil revenues" comments from the administration early on that really irritates me. The war's US$400B cost thus far pretty much obliterates those claims. What a staggering price tag that is. :|

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Hmm $400B . . . hmm 10% of that money would be more than enough to cover the cuts in Medicaid, Medicare, and student loans just passed by the House.

Unfortunately, it wouldn't be enough to cover the red ink to be piled up in fiscal 2006.

 

[zephyrprime]

Don't worry doc! Bush will cut the deficit by HALF by 2009!! He said so himself so it must be true.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: xaeniac
just print more money; what is the answer to the national deficit? Oh i got it print more money. Don't worry the U.S. has it undercontrol. What debt we can just print money to get us out. No worries

That's not going to work for long with the Euro proving to be a strong competitor worldwide, and with some countries quickly building up huge dollar reserves (read China).

 

[Rainsford]

I'm not saying that we should have seen all of this coming, but sometimes it would really be nice to have a crystal ball you could use to look into the future. For example, before Bush proposed the war in Iraq, he could have consulted his crystal ball and gave a speech telling us that we won't find any WMDs, 2300 soldiers and counting will die, the Iraqis will hate us, there will be a violent insurgency that will last for years, and it will cost hundreds of billions of dollars. As opposed to what he said, which was pretty much exactly the opposite.

Again, not to suggest he should be able to see into the future, but it would be helpful once in a while.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I'm not saying that we should have seen all of this coming, but sometimes it would really be nice to have a crystal ball you could use to look into the future. For example, before Bush proposed the war in Iraq, he could have consulted his crystal ball and gave a speech telling us that we won't find any WMDs, 2300 soldiers and counting will die, the Iraqis will hate us, there will be a violent insurgency that will last for years, and it will cost hundreds of billions of dollars. As opposed to what he said, which was pretty much exactly the opposite.

Again, not to suggest he should be able to see into the future, but it would be helpful once in a while.

why?? GWB has said repeatedly that knowing what he knows now, he would still have gone into Iraq. His opinion is the only one that matters when Republicans controls all branches of governemnt. This asshat of a President says freedom is on the march and dammit if the marching ain't free. 400 billion for his DETOUR into Iraq sickens me. This will be his albatross 😱:disgust:

 

[EatSpam]

I'm not surprised we haven't heard from our resident Bush supporters. I mean, $400 billion is a whole lot of free-dumb(tm), you'd think they would be proud!

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
I'm not surprised we haven't heard from our resident Bush supporters. I mean, $400 billion is a whole lot of free-dumb(tm), you'd think they would be proud!

They're too busy flaming me in the New Orleans thread about how the federal government assisting in the reconstruction of the Gulf Coast is a waste of money. :roll:

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

400 billion? Hmmm. I didn't know dumbya could count that high. Weren't there some people in his gestapo stating that it wouldn't run over 200 billion? And the person who said it would sail over that amount was let go? Can't have any dissention in the dumbya clique.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: EatSpam
I'm not surprised we haven't heard from our resident Bush supporters. I mean, $400 billion is a whole lot of free-dumb(tm), you'd think they would be proud!

They're too busy flaming me in the New Orleans thread about how the federal government assisting in the reconstruction of the Gulf Coast is a waste of money. :roll:

It's not the goverment's job to build cities, but I make an exception in this case, since it is their fault. So let the rebuilding go on. I am a Bush supporter, kind of, and while 400b is a huge waste of money, at least it is going somewhere... I cannot imagine what a pickle Kerry would have us in now, so I will support Bush until the next election. We do need to get out of Iraq, but we cannot just leave tomorrow, as we have made too many promises to them. Oh, and overspending is not only Bush's problem. Congress, all of it, plays a pretty major role in it. All our politicians don't understand why owing trillions to Americans and lots of other nations is wrong. I really do not see why everybody flames Bush so much about it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
..I am a Bush supporter, kind of, and while 400b is a huge waste of money, at least it is going somewhere...

But that's just the point, it's going SOMEWHERE, which means it's NOT going anywhere else. Even if we kept the money in the realm of fighting terrorists, think what our intelligence agencies might be able to do with 40 billion more dollars every year for the next 10 years. Depite what some people seem to believe, this "new kind of war" is in fact a new kind of war, one that is more about intelligence than armed conflict. I feel confident that if the money being spent on Iraq (even some of it) was spent instead on intelligence, we would be much safer as a result.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I'm not saying that we should have seen all of this coming, but sometimes it would really be nice to have a crystal ball you could use to look into the future. For example, before Bush proposed the war in Iraq, he could have consulted his crystal ball and gave a speech telling us that we won't find any WMDs, 2300 soldiers and counting will die, the Iraqis will hate us, there will be a violent insurgency that will last for years, and it will cost hundreds of billions of dollars. As opposed to what he said, which was pretty much exactly the opposite.

Again, not to suggest he should be able to see into the future, but it would be helpful once in a while.

why?? GWB has said repeatedly that knowing what he knows now, he would still have gone into Iraq. His opinion is the only one that matters when Republicans controls all branches of governemnt. This asshat of a President says freedom is on the march and dammit if the marching ain't free. 400 billion for his DETOUR into Iraq sickens me. This will be his albatross 😱:disgust:

Oh, I'm sure *HE* would have been all gung ho about it. And I'm sure many in congress would have been just as big a bunch of tools about it, but I don't think WE would have been all for it. Bush still had fairly high public opinion at that point, and we got into the war with a very false impression of what it would be like. The government may not have cared one way or the other, but they are still responsible to the people, if only because Bush was still facing an election in a few years.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: themusgrat

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: EatSpam
I'm not surprised we haven't heard from our resident Bush supporters. I mean, $400 billion is a whole lot of free-dumb(tm), you'd think they would be proud!

They're too busy flaming me in the New Orleans thread about how the federal government assisting in the reconstruction of the Gulf Coast is a waste of money. :roll:

It's not the goverment's job to build cities, but I make an exception in this case, since it is their fault. So let the rebuilding go on. I am a Bush supporter, kind of, and while 400b is a huge waste of money, at least it is going somewhere... I cannot imagine what a pickle Kerry would have us in now, so I will support Bush until the next election. We do need to get out of Iraq, but we cannot just leave tomorrow, as we have made too many promises to them. Oh, and overspending is not only Bush's problem. Congress, all of it, plays a pretty major role in it. All our politicians don't understand why owing trillions to Americans and lots of other nations is wrong. I really do not see why everybody flames Bush so much about it.

I can think of 3 things, right off the top of my head, that I'd rather have the government spend $400b on, "if it had to go somewhere":

more nuclear power plants
alternative energy research
securing the Mexico-US border

All 3 of those would be infinitely more useful to the American people than blowing up Iraq.

 

[Witling]

Rainsford, a couple of things. Actually, many people predicted that this would happen. Most people knowledgeable about the Middle East predicted that this would be a disaster. The neocons vastly underestimated the fear and loathing that the Middle East in general has for Western culture. Second, many people doubted the weapons capacity of Iraq. Many, many more wanted to let the U.N. continue it's checking. Think about Israel a second. Israel has clearly shown that it's willing to take out anything it thinks threatens Israel. They had no interest in messing with "got those weapons of mass destriction" Iraq. Third, the money did indeed go "somewhere." If you'd burnt it, it would have gone "somewhere." The difference is, if you'd spent the $400 billion on highway repair, low cost housing, and education, you'd have something to show for it. Believe me, Iraq will not work out. When this all started I bet my Republican son-in-law that I could teach my dog to type before we could establish a democracy in Iraq. The dog has the complete ASDF row down pat and is working on the QWERTY row.