War Prep: Is Israel Politically Justifying an Iranian Strike to the World?

[TreVader]

Which is not going to happen.

By the time obama leaves office I look for Iran to have just about all trade sanctions lifted.

Obama is soft on Iran. There is nothing Israel can do to change that.

Between obama getting trade sanctions lifted, and Russian diplomats talking about getting closer to Iran, we are looking at a crisis in the making.

Obama isn't soft on Iran, he just isn't a crazy neo-con who supports every dick thing Israel tries to do or says. Israel is a mewling angry toddler with a gun. It's loud, it's immature, and it's dangerous.

 

[bradly1101]

After WWII Israelis took the right of return to their homeland even though parts of it encompassed others who became refugees instead of being integrated. It's just more tribalism, including those who wish them to be vanquished. Religion plays a huge part of this, even though I don't think these religions historically embraced such divisions and violence.

I wonder if some future super power will give Native Americans and Mexicans the right of return.

 

[Agent11]

After WWII Israelis took the right of return to their homeland even though parts of it encompassed others who became refugees instead of being integrated. It's just more tribalism, including those who wish them to be vanquished. Religion plays a huge part of this, even though I don't think these religions historically embraced such divisions and violence.

I wonder if some future super power will give Native Americans and Mexicans the right of return.

Doubt it.

 

[lozina]

I wonder if some future super power will give Native Americans and Mexicans the right of return.

Well, apparently if they wanted to follow Israel's road map to statehood they would have to do some terrorism first. :\

 

[Jhhnn]

God ignorance must be bliss....

I notice you merely offer derision rather than substantiating the point you want made. Why is that?

 

[Ventanni]

Israel doesn't have the capacity to do that strike without writing of 4-12 good aircraft and their pilots. That's one of the reasons they were so upset about having to buy F15 E strike eagles vs F22s when we had F22s in production.

Israel has been threatening to destroy that reactor for nearly a decade. They're starting to sound like the DPRK with all their posturing and lies. They're too pussy to do anything though. Israel's goal is to make the US re-impose sanctions or do the job for them.

Very interesting.

I've been watching the Israeli-Iranian tension for some time, but I think most of it boils down to just as you stated; Israel is really incapable of doing much here. It adds a different perspective on those hyper-expensive stealth bombers we pull out for the occasional show run when countries start acting up.

One question though, isn't the combat radius on the F-15E actually greater than that of the F-22? I thought that for all the F-22's grandeur, it's combat radius was actually rather small.

I also came across this. More news, and just that; news, but it looks like Israel is setting money aside for an operation. More criticizing of the west.

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-steps-talk-threat-force-iran-154404038.html

 

[IOException]

One question though, isn't the combat radius on the F-15E actually greater than that of the F-22?

You are comparing a multirole fighter with an air superiority fighter. Different tools for different jobs.

 

[Incorruptible]

possible fallout for isreal might be huge if they do anything. they fail to realize that more and more people are learning how bigoted and oppresive isreal really is.

Another leftist attacks Israel as oppressive, not surprised at all. I like how you conveniently ignore how people in Israel have rights like gay people having rights and not being executed compared to the other countries in the middle east.

I notice you merely offer derision rather than substantiating the point you want made. Why is that?

Not surprised you're alright with attacks on Israel by your fellow leftists.

 

[Ventanni]

You are comparing a multirole fighter with an air superiority fighter. Different tools for different jobs.

Ah okay, I was confused here because I thought they were both air-superiority fighters. After doing a little more research, I discovered that the F-15 was originally designed as an air-superiority platform, but proved itself highly capable and versatile enough for air-to-ground missions as well.

Different planes though, and not comparable.

 

[lozina]

Anyways, Israel does not have F-22s but they are getting F35s

 

[Jhhnn]

Not surprised you're alright with attacks on Israel by your fellow leftists.

It's not surprising you won't substantiate that statement, either. Why is that?

 

[Anarchist420]

i dont know why anyone would think that israel is unable to do anything on its own given their average IQ is 8 points higher than that of the average american and about 25 points higher than the avg of their neighbors.

also, most of our congressman are incompetent idiots so i dont know how they could help anyone.

 

[IOException]

After doing a little more research, I discovered that the F-15 was originally designed as an air-superiority platform, but proved itself highly capable and versatile enough for air-to-ground missions as well.

No, I think you are getting the F-15 and the F-15E confused:
- The F-15 Eagle (F-15) was the original air-superiority plane.
- The F-15 Strike Eagle (F-15E) was the multirole variant.

i dont know why anyone would think that israel is unable to do anything on its own given their average IQ is 8 points higher than that of the average american and about 25 points higher than the avg of their neighbors.

also, most of our congressman are incompetent idiots so i dont know how they could help anyone.

It isn't about intelligence; it is about resources. Israel doesn't have many real friends in the world. It isn't entirely their fault, but they certainly don't help the situation.

Israel's only ally in the region is India. While India has a fairly powerful military and a massive paramilitary, they a clear no-strike first policy. Couple things:
1) They won't attack unless first attacked by another country. This means they will not deploy their military in defense of another country, even if they are a close ally.
2) They have a weak navy, which is primarily concerned with China's maritime presence. This doesn't matter in regards to Israel due to the associated geography.
3) They have a weak air force, which is primarily concerned with protecting Indian air space.
4) Their large paramilitary is primarily concerned with protecting their northern borders with Pakistan and China.
5) Their army can't help Israel without going through Pakistan (not going to happen, especially because the US considers Pakistan an ally). Honestly, why the US continues to support Pakistan is something I've never understood. Nixon completely bungled up all the work Kennedy did to try and make India a major ally.

Regarding your last comment, all politicians are retards. Doesn't matter what country you are from.

 

[Anarchist420]

It isn't about intelligence; it is about resources. Israel doesn't have many real friends in the world. It isn't entirely their fault, but they certainly don't help the situation.

They would be able to dominate their enemies if they were independent of the u.s.g.

Regarding your last comment, all politicians are retards. Doesn't matter what country you are from.

agreed

 

[JEDIYoda]

Israel doesn't have the capacity to do that strike without writing of 4-12 good aircraft and their pilots. That's one of the reasons they were so upset about having to buy F15 E strike eagles vs F22s when we had F22s in production.

Which they will write off if that what is what it takes....

 

[JEDIYoda]

After WWII Israelis took the right of return to their homeland even though parts of it encompassed others who became refugees instead of being integrated. It's just more tribalism, including those who wish them to be vanquished. Religion plays a huge part of this, even though I don't think these religions historically embraced such divisions and violence.

I wonder if some future super power will give Native Americans and Mexicans the right of return.

I wonder why you thread crap??

 

[JEDIYoda]

I notice you merely offer derision rather than substantiating the point you want made. Why is that?

you tell me why -- Originally Posted by norseamd View Post
possible fallout for isreal might be huge if they do anything. they fail to realize that more and more people are learning how bigoted and oppresive isreal really is.

 

[MongGrel]

Obama isn't soft on Iran, he just isn't a crazy neo-con who supports every dick thing Israel tries to do or says. Israel is a mewling angry toddler with a gun. It's loud, it's immature, and it's dangerous.

+1 Yeah the Neo-cons think backing Israel in anything is a route to heaven or something apparently.

 

[MongGrel]

No, I think you are getting the F-15 and the F-15E confused:
- The F-15 Eagle (F-15) was the original air-superiority plane.
- The F-15 Strike Eagle (F-15E) was the multirole variant.



It isn't about intelligence; it is about resources. Israel doesn't have many real friends in the world. It isn't entirely their fault, but they certainly don't help the situation.

Israel's only ally in the region is India. While India has a fairly powerful military and a massive paramilitary, they a clear no-strike first policy. Couple things:
1) They won't attack unless first attacked by another country. This means they will not deploy their military in defense of another country, even if they are a close ally.
2) They have a weak navy, which is primarily concerned with China's maritime presence. This doesn't matter in regards to Israel due to the associated geography.
3) They have a weak air force, which is primarily concerned with protecting Indian air space.
4) Their large paramilitary is primarily concerned with protecting their northern borders with Pakistan and China.
5) Their army can't help Israel without going through Pakistan (not going to happen, especially because the US considers Pakistan an ally). Honestly, why the US continues to support Pakistan is something I've never understood. Nixon completely bungled up all the work Kennedy did to try and make India a major ally.

Regarding your last comment, all politicians are retards. Doesn't matter what country you are from.

I've actually worked on the F-15K variant for South Korea at one time.

Not sure whats you're point other than spouting stats.

They are all over the world as a heavy weapons launch platform and have been a long time now.

A few Nuclear tipped SLAMMER's would mess anyone's day up.

 

[Karl Agathon]

LMAO!!!!! I literally cried from laughing so hard. Thank you for making my night :thumbsup:

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm still stuck on the 2nd scentence in the OP's opening paragraph; when did Iran say they wanted to "glass" Israel?

If that's not a true statement then the whole premise for Israel's actions are just a ruse.

Your reply, with quote-

God ignorance must be bliss....

When challenged, you obfuscate-

you tell me why -- Originally Posted by norseamd View Post
possible fallout for isreal might be huge if they do anything. they fail to realize that more and more people are learning how bigoted and oppresive isreal really is.

Perhaps you'd care to actually substantiate the claim of Iran threatening to glass Israel made by the OP? You already supported it, so, surely, you can provide reliable documentation to that effect, not divert off into what some other poster said.

I don't believe that particular threat was ever made, but I'd believe it if you could provide some honest reason to think so. Have at it, please.

 

[MongGrel]

These days to be honest, I almost don't give a shit.

Someone in the middle east just launch a few nukes at each other and get the shit over with.

Maybe a few others could too from the sides, wipe the whole area out and the whole debate would be over.

Everyone else in the world could take remote satellite pictures of that big glowing spot over there, and remember all the constant drama.

The middle east shit has been like watching a bad forum thread on news cycles since before I was born 50 years ago.

Get you're shit together on you're own or fuck off.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Is Israel Politically Justifying an Iranian Strike to the World?

Since when did Israel give a flying fuck about anyone other than itself??

 

[Ventanni]

Since when did Israel give a flying fuck about anyone other than itself??

If Israel didn't give a flying hoot, they wouldn't be holding press conferences in front of the nations of the world justifying their position. They'd just do it, but that's not what they're doing here. Nations are always looking out for their own self-interests. That's a given, and there's nothing wrong with that. Where this strikes me as unusual though is how they're trying to build support for their position. The US always does this before major military action.

But of course, Israel has been denouncing Iranian actions for years. This is nothing new.

 

[lozina]

BTW: in the news Israeli embassies across the world are shut down, reportedly due to salary/contract disputes.

Conspiracy theories?