War Prep: Is Israel Politically Justifying an Iranian Strike to the World?

[Ventanni]

Every nation has the right to defend themselves, so I want to be clear here that I'm not pro/anti-Israel here. With Iran basically waltzing around stating they're going to glass Israel, I, too, would be a little nervous watching them build their nuclear program. But when I read the bold statements below, it really struck me as, "Well if the Americans aren't going to do it, we're just going to have to go in and do it ourselves."

Is Israel politically justifying to the world its near-future actions? They are well known to act militarily without second thought, but using the Crimea situation and our lack of military intervention in Iran seems to be a bit of a stretch.

I think there's gradual change coming to the United States. There are a lot of very compassionate, reasonable, intelligent Americans, and I think we're growing tire of the world perceiving us as bullies and warmongers. There is a lot of controversy regarding the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan back in 2003, controversy I think we as a whole have learned from, but if there is one precedent I don't think we prepared for, it's that when we consistently intervene and stick our nose where it doesn't belong, then other nations begin to rely on that and politically justify their own actions when we don't.

I do not perceive the United States as growing weaker in world influence, only that we're no longer willing to justify the steep price of being the world's sole hyperpower. It was easier to do so when much of the world was still ravaged by the Second World War, and we've largely enjoyed 70 years of great world prosperity (not perfect though) because of our stabilizing post-war influence. But now that these woulds are healing and nations grow more prosperous, it's becoming increasingly more clear that the nations of the world are awakening to the idea of "self-autonomy" again, and that means being able to act out on its own self interests.

Are we beginning to see the effects of the power vacuum being left open as the United States pulls back? Or am I just admitting that I've drank too much coffee this morning and over-thinking this crap and there's nothing to worry about?

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/israels-defense-chief-says-u-projecting-weakness-114022613.html

ERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's defense minister has accused the United States of projecting weakness internationally and said Israel could not rely on its main ally to take the lead in confronting Iran over its nuclear program.

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Moshe Yaalon, whose remarks were reported in the Haaretz daily on Tuesday, caused friction with the United States only two months ago when he described Secretary of State John Kerry's quest for Israeli-Palestinian peace as messianic and obsessive.

His latest comments, confirmed by an Israeli official who was present at lecture Yaalon delivered at Tel Aviv University on Monday, displayed deep disappointment with U.S. President Barack Obama's handling of burning world issues.

"We had thought it would be the United States that would lead the campaign against Iran," said Yaalon, who pointed to the Ukraine crisis as an example of Washington "showing weakness".

It was unclear from Yaalon's reported remarks where he believed the United States, which on Monday imposed sanctions on two top aides to President Vladimir Putin and nine other people linked to Russia's Crimean incursion, had gone wrong on Ukraine.

Iran and six world powers will try to make headway on the nuclear dispute in talks that started in Vienna on Tuesday, with Western officials hoping the challenge will not be made even more difficult by the Ukraine crisis.

Yaalon said that although "people know Iran cheats", the United States and other nations chose to negotiate with Tehran on restricting activities they fear are aimed at developing atomic arms.

"Therefore, on this matter, we have to behave as though we have nobody to look out for us but ourselves," Yaalon said, echoing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's veiled threats of unilateral military action against Iran if diplomacy fails.

"Unfortunately, when it comes to negotiating at a Persian bazaar, the Iranians are better," said Yaalon, a former armed forces chief and a hawkish member of Netanyahu's right-wing Likud party.

In the Middle East, Yaalon said, he had heard "voices of disappointment" over a lack of U.S. support for Sunni Muslim rebels in the three-year-old conflict in Syria.

And on a recent visit in Asia, he added, he found "disappointment about China getting stronger and the U.S. getting weaker".

Netanyahu, whose country is widely believed to be the Middle East's only nuclear-armed nation, has denounced as a "historic mistake" an interim deal reached with Iran in November on curbing sensitive nuclear activities in return for limited sanctions relief.

He has demanded that any final accord dismantle Tehran's uranium enrichment centrifuges, a position at odds with Obama's suggestion that Iran, which says its nuclear program is peaceful, could be allowed to enrich on a limited basis for civilian purposes.

"Comfortable Westerners prefer to put off confrontation, if possible to next year or the next leadership term. But in the end, it will blow up," Yaalon said.

(Reporting by Jeffrey Heller; Editing by Alistair Lyon)

 

[norseamd]

possible fallout for isreal might be huge if they do anything. they fail to realize that more and more people are learning how bigoted and oppresive isreal really is.

 

[Knowing]

In Iran foreign policy plays second fiddle to domestic policy. The politicians talk a big game but the citizens aren't really invested.

This is a great documentary.

 

[Texashiker]

I do not perceive the United States as growing weaker in world influence, only that we're no longer willing to justify the steep price of being the world's sole hyperpower.

Have you been in a coma since 2008? If it does not involve easing trade sanctions against iran or giving military aid to Egypt, obama is not interested.

obama is a community organizer. He talks a good talk, but that is all he does is talk. He has no ability to bring anything of substance to the table.

By easing trade sanctions in Iran, obama has proven he does not care about middle east peace or israel. So what if Iran is improving its nuclear program. As long as the people of Iran can get smart phones, so what?

Israel is completely justified in striking Iran. But chances are obama will side with Iran.

 

[Jimzz]

possible fallout for isreal might be huge if they do anything. they fail to realize that more and more people are learning how bigoted and oppresive isreal really is.

Yea because the other nations in the middle east have always been so open and friendly toward them.

/s

 

[norseamd]

Yea because the other nations in the middle east have always been so open and friendly toward them.

does that make what they do right in any way possible?

also what about egypt or jorden? they are more or less not as hostile towards isreal than many other countries in the area

 

[rpsgc]

Yea because the other nations in the middle east have always been so open and friendly toward them.

/s

So, by your logic, anyone who has ever been bullied/mistreated has justification to go and beat up/torture/kill a bunch of people. Two wrongs make a right, etc.

Good to know.

 

[Anarchist420]

i dont see why it cant be u.s. citizens who help israel out rather than the u.s.g. which actually hasnt helped israel out overall since the founding of the latter.

So, by your logic, anyone who has ever been bullied/mistreated has justification to go and beat up/torture/kill a bunch of people. Two wrongs make a right, etc. Good to know.

i dont know that many israelis torture palestinians, but you have to remember than jews are neanderthals created and made in their God's image while the palestinians (as well as the vast majority of the current world pop) are mostly cro-magnon men who share a matrilineal ancestor with a rhesus monkey. the mtDNA of "modern man" was artificially formed by the earth and it has mutated and mixed millions of times.

in other words, there is no reason to expect the israelis to give up what they have voluntarily to an animal completely different from them. just as the roman irish had to outnumber the anglo-irish 3 to 1 and as the black south africans had to do the same as the roman irish, the palestinians will have to invert their proportion of the pop in israel from the ~1/4 that it is now to >3/4... and that is because there are at least 26 points IQ difference between the occupying group and the oppressed group (israeli jewish iq at 108 isnt quite as high as american jewish iq as american jews have contributed a lot more good to the world, but it is still higher than the american non-jewish iq of 100 while the arabs are 82 at most).

the only way the palestinians will get the State they have always desired is by tripling their proportion of the population because the smartest people from outside the middle east do not make sacrifices for others while those who do make sacrifices are not smart enough to "change the world". basically, the black south africans got their State because nelson was so damn smart and he had a self interest in it. arafat meant well for his people, but he wasnt that smart so he accomplished nothing.

 

[Jimzz]

So, by your logic, anyone who has ever been bullied/mistreated has justification to go and beat up/torture/kill a bunch of people. Two wrongs make a right, etc.

Good to know.

So trying to invade and "turn them to glass" is "bullied"? And defending yourself is not ok in turn?

wow.

 

[Knowing]

So trying to invade and "turn them to glass" is "bullied"? And defending yourself is not ok in turn?

wow.

When did they try to invade? I haven't heard news of this. Meanwhile in Palestine...

 

[Fern]

I think Israel is posturing in an attempt to influence the Obama admin to be tougher in their Iran actions/policy.

Fern

 

[KMFJD]

i dont see why it cant be u.s. citizens who help israel out rather than the u.s.g. which actually hasnt helped israel out overall since the founding of the latter.i dont know that many israelis torture palestinians, but you have to remember than jews are neanderthals created and made in their God's image while the palestinians (as well as the vast majority of the current world pop) are mostly cro-magnon men who share a matrilineal ancestor with a rhesus monkey. the mtDNA of "modern man" was artificially formed by the earth and it has mutated and mixed millions of times.

in other words, there is no reason to expect the israelis to give up what they have voluntarily to an animal completely different from them. just as the roman irish had to outnumber the anglo-irish 3 to 1 and as the black south africans had to do the same as the roman irish, the palestinians will have to invert their proportion of the pop in israel from the ~1/4 that it is now to >3/4... and that is because there are at least 26 points IQ difference between the occupying group and the oppressed group (israeli jewish iq at 108 isnt quite as high as american jewish iq as american jews have contributed a lot more good to the world, but it is still higher than the american non-jewish iq of 100 while the arabs are 82 at most).

the only way the palestinians will get the State they have always desired is by tripling their proportion of the population because the smartest people from outside the middle east do not make sacrifices for others while those who do make sacrifices are not smart enough to "change the world". basically, the black south africans got their State because nelson was so damn smart and he had a self interest in it. arafat meant well for his people, but he wasnt that smart so he accomplished nothing.

 

[AdamantC]

i dont see why it cant be u.s. citizens who help israel out rather than the u.s.g. which actually hasnt helped israel out overall since the founding of the latter.i dont know that many israelis torture palestinians, but you have to remember than jews are neanderthals created and made in their God's image while the palestinians (as well as the vast majority of the current world pop) are mostly cro-magnon men who share a matrilineal ancestor with a rhesus monkey. the mtDNA of "modern man" was artificially formed by the earth and it has mutated and mixed millions of times.

in other words, there is no reason to expect the israelis to give up what they have voluntarily to an animal completely different from them. just as the roman irish had to outnumber the anglo-irish 3 to 1 and as the black south africans had to do the same as the roman irish, the palestinians will have to invert their proportion of the pop in israel from the ~1/4 that it is now to >3/4... and that is because there are at least 26 points IQ difference between the occupying group and the oppressed group (israeli jewish iq at 108 isnt quite as high as american jewish iq as american jews have contributed a lot more good to the world, but it is still higher than the american non-jewish iq of 100 while the arabs are 82 at most).

the only way the palestinians will get the State they have always desired is by tripling their proportion of the population because the smartest people from outside the middle east do not make sacrifices for others while those who do make sacrifices are not smart enough to "change the world". basically, the black south africans got their State because nelson was so damn smart and he had a self interest in it. arafat meant well for his people, but he wasnt that smart so he accomplished nothing.

 

[rommelrommel]

blahblahblah

Hopefully that gets you the vacation you so desperately need.

 

[Anarchist420]

what the fuck am i reading?

the truth.

take your meds

i am taking them.

Hopefully that gets you the vacation you so desperately need.

dont be rude

 

[rommelrommel]

This forum is turning into an embarrassment when racist garbage is allowed, even when it's posted by an idiot.

 

[Texashiker]

I think Israel is posturing in an attempt to influence the Obama admin to be tougher in their Iran actions/policy.

Fern

Which is not going to happen.

By the time obama leaves office I look for Iran to have just about all trade sanctions lifted.

Obama is soft on Iran. There is nothing Israel can do to change that.

Between obama getting trade sanctions lifted, and Russian diplomats talking about getting closer to Iran, we are looking at a crisis in the making.

 

[piasabird]

I think they should have wiped out Iran during the last war with the Hezbollah! It is obvious Hezbollah is just a para-military Terrorist group run by Iran!

 

[ivwshane]

I'm still stuck on the 2nd scentence in the OP's opening paragraph; when did Iran say they wanted to "glass" Israel?

If that's not a true statement then the whole premise for Israel's actions are just a ruse.

 

[lozina]

With Iran basically waltzing around stating they're going to glass Israel, I, too, would be a little nervous watching them build their nuclear program.

False.

By the way, North Korea has made actual threats against S. Korea, USA and Japan. Maybe you should start your warmongering there?

 

[Anarchist420]

This forum is turning into an embarrassment when racist garbage is allowed, even when it's posted by an idiot.

if the comments i am making are racist, then it is against my own race. what i am saying is true anyway as it has been sourced. you cant even tell the difference between the average Northern irish person (whether their mothers converts to the roman religion or if they are still presbyterian or church of ireland), the avg white south african, or the avg jew. and that is because mtDNA has more effect on a person's appearance and especially intelligence than anything else.

and no one would be able to tell the difference between myself/modern europeans (especially the roman irish, hungarians, russians, sicilians, swedes, and the Spainish) and the avg arab if modern europeans were out in the sun much. i mean, modern europeans hate jews it is in the blood of modern europeans to hate them yet they havent killed anywhere close to 6 million arabs or aided in the murder of 6 million arabs and that is because arabs and modern europeans view each other as brothers. Old Europeans, NorthEast Asians, and Jews are similar to one another (and the u.s. has among the highest percentage of Old Europeans in the world).

 

[JEDIYoda]

possible fallout for isreal might be huge if they do anything. they fail to realize that more and more people are learning how bigoted and oppresive isreal really is.

defend our citizens or worry about the fallout......defend citizens winz!

 

[JEDIYoda]

does that make what they do right in any way possible?

also what about egypt or jorden? they are more or less not as hostile towards Israel than many other countries in the area

well doh....whatever Israel does they are justified in this case...

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm still stuck on the 2nd scentence in the OP's opening paragraph; when did Iran say they wanted to "glass" Israel?

If that's not a true statement then the whole premise for Israel's actions are just a ruse.

God ignorance must be bliss....

 

[TreVader]

Israel doesn't have the capacity to do that strike without writing of 4-12 good aircraft and their pilots. That's one of the reasons they were so upset about having to buy F15 E strike eagles vs F22s when we had F22s in production.



Israel has been threatening to destroy that reactor for nearly a decade. They're starting to sound like the DPRK with all their posturing and lies. They're too pussy to do anything though. Israel's goal is to make the US re-impose sanctions or do the job for them.