War On Drugs Must Be Ended

[Incorruptible]

Alcohol prohibition didn't even work and it brought more harm than good.

Because of the war it drives people from soft drugs to hard drugs. Crack was created because of drug prohibition since cocaine was too expensive.
If the drug war was ended the US would have thousands of less murders and half the prison population, less criminals

The government is actually protecting the drug cartel, people can go into most businesses and areas but its hard for a small individual to go in, it is a monopoly

There is also the fact that people have the right to do with there body whatever they want provided they aren't hurting anyone else. The drug was also puts many innocent people into jail and costs billions of dollars of taxpayers money. The war on drugs is one of the clearest examples of the failure of big government.

The war on drugs needs to be ended

Do you agree that the war on drugs is a failure and needs to be ended?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Because of the war it drives people from soft drugs to hard drugs.

That is not true. The transition, and addiction, is usually a side effect of their poor childhoods/family lives. There are obviously exceptions to that, but by and large most of the people I've known with that problem had shitty childhoods.

But yes, obviously, the War on Drugs is another in a long line of cash grabs sold to the public as family values BS.

 

[EagleKeeper]

How are drugs putting "many innocent people" into jail?

I do agree that the war is expensive.
The government should put out a designer drug enhancement to existing weed and cocaine/crack that will cause the user to continually be sick; vomit and diarrhea for a couple days.
That will quickly kill the demand and the middle man supplier - who want to go a second round of the trots for a couple of days.

 

[TechBoyJK]

How are drugs putting "many innocent people" into jail?

I do agree that the war is expensive.
The government should put out a designer drug enhancement to existing weed and cocaine/crack that will cause the user to continually be sick; vomit and diarrhea for a couple days.
That will quickly kill the demand and the middle man supplier - who want to go a second round of the trots for a couple of days.

I think he meant to say 'drug war' not 'drug was' putting innocent people in jail.

It's very true that a lot of people are thrown in jail over pot charges, and while they might not be innocent in regards to breaking the law, they're otherwise 'innocent' people.

 

[xj0hnx]

That is not true. The transition, and addiction, is usually a side effect of their poor childhoods/family lives. There are obviously exceptions to that, but by and large most of the people I've known with that problem had shitty childhoods.

But yes, obviously, the War on Drugs is another in a long line of cash grabs sold to the public as family values BS.

It's not that the transition is precipitated necessarily by shitty childhood, but in my experience, that people that are better adjusted, and in better situations can get away from harder drugs easier than someone that doesn't have the support system. Drugs don't care about your childhood, and they don't care about your financial standing. I've seen all types get caught up in it.

And even though I don't want to, I completely agree with Incorruptible.

 

[hal2kilo]

And even though I don't want to, I completely agree with Incorruptible.

I know it's painful.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

but in my experience, that people that are better adjusted, and in better situations can get away from harder drugs easier than someone that doesn't have the support system.

That is basically the same point I was making about the childhood/family.

It's odd that almost everyone agrees about this and yet we cannot get this "War" ended. Nice democracy, huh?

 

[Mursilis]

That is basically the same point I was making about the childhood/family.

It's odd that almost everyone agrees about this and yet we cannot get this "War" ended. Nice democracy, huh?

Just because almost every here agrees about this doesn't mean the rest of the sheeple agree. That, and we're woefully short on politicians with enough political courage to make this a big issue.

 

[JKing106]

I know it's painful.

Tell me about it.

 

[crownjules]

Indeed. There's so many benefits to ending the war that it doesn't make sense to continue it. You can get the drugs you want today just as easily as you could before the WoD began. It has done nothing but given criminal elements an immense revenue source and imprisoned hundreds of thousands of otherwise innocent people (in that they've done nothing wrong but used/possessed drugs).

But do Law Enforcement organizations want to give up all the funding they get due to it? Of course not. And the there's of course the strong family values voting base who think that by being illegal it keeps it out of little Johnny's hands and the second it becomes legal he'll become a raging drug addict.

 

[Genx87]

The war on drugs cant be lost. We must have the will to continue this 40 year war regardless of how many millions are put into our prisons and hundreds of thousands killed in turf wars.

/sarcasm

 

[unokitty]

But do Law Enforcement organizations want to give up all the funding they get due to it? Of course not. And the there's of course the strong family values voting base who think that by being illegal it keeps it out of little Johnny's hands and the second it becomes legal he'll become a raging drug addict.

Its not just LE that benefits from the status quo. There is the drug treatment industry. Counsellors, psychologists, and related service people. Of course, in some states (California for example), the prison guards union is one of the larger contributors to the politician's re-election campaign funds. Of course, now there are also the private companies that operate prisons.

Lets not forget Immigration, border patrol, and DHS. As well as the related private industries that profit by selling them their tools as well as the politicians that vote for their funding.

While you can make the point that the war on drugs has been lost already, the real questions are how much longer is it going to go on? and how much more is it going to cost?

Remember that Machiavelli used to say that the future has no friends. But the groups mentioned here all strongly benefit from the status quo. It would be irrational for them not to fight to sustain their paychecks and the status quo.

Uno

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Remember that Machiavelli used to say that the future has no friends. But the groups mentioned here all strongly benefit from the status quo. It would be irrational for them not to fight to sustain their paychecks and the status quo.

Uno

Thos people could be put to use fighting actual crime in our cities and securing our borders, much more productive activities than busting people who prefer a joint to a bottle of liquor.

Be careful quoting Machiavelli, that is the sourcebook for many of the dangerous idiots running this country into the ground.

 

[crownjules]

Right, I meant to imply Immigration, Border, DHS, etc. when I meant "Law Enforcement". They all fall under the umbrella of organizations that enforce our laws and wage the war on drug. And yes, the pharmaceuticals are another major factor. Why pay $30 for an anxiety pill when I can pay $30 to get a few grams of weed that'll last a week? Of course they have a huge interest in preventing that from cutting into their profits. Just another example of corporate profits coming before the best interests of the American people.

 

[Matt1970]

I don't have a problem with people smoking pot but there is no way in hell I will support people taking bath salts and eating human flesh.

 

[a777pilot]

Let's see....The War on Drugs. Our last three Presidents did drugs, with the current one making it a personal habit.

I would opine that this is just another good sounding big government program to use all the taxpayers money they can get their hands on. Oh, yes, and wit no discernible results.

These are the very same people that want to make your health care decisions for you. Good luck with that.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I don't have a problem with people smoking pot but there is no way in hell I will support people taking bath salts and eating human flesh.

Actually, reports indicate that guy only had marijuana in his system. Either way, drugs had nothing to do with that. That guy was just insane as fucking shit or was a patsy for something else:

No bath salts story:
http://www.local10.com/news/No-bath...ody/-/1717324/15324438/-/berauvz/-/index.html

Family saying he was drugged and dumped there:
http://www.local10.com/news/Face-ea...ctim/-/1717324/14345104/-/77w5lp/-/index.html

Let's see....The War on Drugs. Our last three Presidents did drugs, with the current one making it a personal habit.

I would opine that this is just another good sounding big government program to use all the taxpayers money they can get their hands on. Oh, yes, and wit no discernible results.

These are the very same people that want to make your health care decisions for you. Good luck with that.

Yeah it is a scary thought, huh? Of course, if employers would have just continued to offer health insurance that would have made Obamneycare pointless. :/ Seems like you just can't win these days.

 

[Matt1970]

Actually, reports indicate that guy only had marijuana in his system. Either way, drugs had nothing to do with that. That guy was just insane as fucking shit or was a patsy for something else:

No bath salts story:
http://www.local10.com/news/No-bath...ody/-/1717324/15324438/-/berauvz/-/index.html

Family saying he was drugged and dumped there:
http://www.local10.com/news/Face-ea...ctim/-/1717324/14345104/-/77w5lp/-/index.html

Yeah it is a scary thought, huh? Of course, if employers would have just continued to offer health insurance that would have made Obamneycare pointless. :/ Seems like you just can't win these days.

Well even if not him there are only 200 other stories of people taking off all their clothes and running through the streets like madmen after taking that crap.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Well even if not him there are only 200 other stories of people taking off all their clothes and running through the streets like madmen after taking that crap.

Yeah they say the same thing about PCP, but that is the exception and not the rule. This is another case of the government using fear to control your beliefs and thoughts. They have completely decriminalized all drugs in multiple countries and you just don't hear about this stuff happening there. It seems highly questionable that somehow it is happening here where it is illegal and not over there where people can get it anywhere.

From my personal experience, people act how they want to act when they get drunk or use drugs....not the other way around where the alchohol/drugs cause them to act that way.

 

[IGBT]

dopers and druggies are the problem. The drug cartels are just the businessman.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

dopers and druggies are the problem. The drug cartels are just the businessman.

Drunks are the problem, alchohol businesses are the cartels?

 

[Incorruptible]

It's not that the transition is precipitated necessarily by shitty childhood, but in my experience, that people that are better adjusted, and in better situations can get away from harder drugs easier than someone that doesn't have the support system. Drugs don't care about your childhood, and they don't care about your financial standing. I've seen all types get caught up in it.

And even though I don't want to, I completely agree with Incorruptible.

See its not so bad, once you realize I am right on this issue then you'll realize I am right on the other issues as well

 

[umbrella39]

Ah good old drugs... one of the few issues that bring the P&N faithful together. Sorry mates but I fear one more generation has to die off before we make any meaningful progress on ending the inane WOD...

 

[umbrella39]

Drunks are the problem, alchohol businesses are the cartels?

Pretty sure most of P&N has this one line hit and run attention whore on ignore... join the darkside...

 

[Pr0d1gy]

See its not so bad, once you realize I am right on this issue then you'll realize I am right on the other issues as well

And that, in a nutshell, is the problem in this country. If you agree with one thing you have to subscribe to everything else, which is assinine.

I know you were kind of joking, so don't take that personally, it is just something about this country that really irks me.