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Heller

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me thinks it was 5 sack of regs. thats what half e (1/16) of regs goes for in the ghetto.
 

HAL9000

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neckarb, what does that have to do with anything? We are not the UK, we actually wanted nothing to do with the UK, hence the reason we have our own country.

Sorry dude I wasn't aiming that at you, some guy was complaining that I wont understand because I come from a barbaric blah blah blah insert some shit about the origins of the UK government, and I was pointing out that the US originated from the UK... so...

In any event. Not aimed at you.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
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You're talking about putting a person in jail for collecting plants that natively grow in north america.

When I'm elected gov'na, I'm going to send out roaming death squads that kill everyone who touches crab grass. :ninja:

Because sometimes things happen naturally doesn't mean you can roll them up, light them on fire and stick them in your mouth... Legally.

Cannabis != "Crab grass"


me thinks it was 5 sack of regs. thats what half e (1/16) of regs goes for in the ghetto.

I literally have no idea what this means.
 

bfdd

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Sorry dude I wasn't aiming that at you, some guy was complaining that I wont understand because I come from a barbaric blah blah blah insert some shit about the origins of the UK government, and I was pointing out that the US originated from the UK... so...

In any event. Not aimed at you.

Well you wouldn't understand because of where you're from.
 

olds

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Uh... Marijuana doesn't natively grow in North America. In fact the only place I know of historically it is from is the Kush mountain range in the Afghanistan area.
The American Indians must have flown it in.
 

zinfamous

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I certainly wouldn't understand the following mentality:

If I don't like a law, I will ignore it, and that is fine.

what's it like walking around the street, knowing Big Brother, or some bored and judgmental house wife is watching you on CCTV every second of your public life?

I suppose I can see where your ideas come from, when you have been trained to live in relative fear on a daily basis, knowing that every action you make in public is being scrutinized by someone else.
 
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Ns1

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I certainly wouldn't understand the following mentality:

If I don't like a law, I will ignore it, and that is fine.

damn that rosa parks for what she started.

DAMN HER TO HELL. Bitch should've just sat the fuck down.


I don't understand the following mentality:

I will follow the law even if it's broken and that is fine.
 

Malak

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No I see the connection, but you are also implying that both stoning women and drug ownership laws are unjust, when one clearly is and the other (IMO) isn't

By what grounds do you determine that stoning someone for breaking a law is unjust?
 

olds

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Malak

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I don't understand the following mentality:

I will follow the law even if it's broken and that is fine.

The alternative is:

I won't follow the law if I don't agree with it.

See the issue?
 

zinfamous

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Sorry dude I wasn't aiming that at you, some guy was complaining that I wont understand because I come from a barbaric blah blah blah insert some shit about the origins of the UK government, and I was pointing out that the US originated from the UK... so...

Jamestown was a failure. The people that settled at Plymouth were more or less abolished from the UK, hell, even the Dutch couldn't tolerate them.

Those that ended up claiming this country were UK by blood only--if that--and certainly not by sentiment.

In fact, the longest-established city in this Country is St Augs in FL, which is a Spanish colony.
 

zinfamous

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The alternative is:

I won't follow the law if I don't agree with it.

See the issue?

it depends on the justness of the law, and the ability to generate a movement against it.

There is a reason no one is going to challenge laws against murder. Those that violate civil and individual rights, however, should always be challenged.

always.


necktard is the type to roll over and let his country videotape every second of his public life, b/c he thinks it's "for his own good."

he is the definition of sheep.
 

Malak

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it depends on the justness of the law, and the ability to generate a movement against it.

There is a reason no one is going to challenge laws against murder. Those that violate civil and individual rights, however, should always be challenged.

always.


necktard is the type to roll over and let his country videotape every second of his public life, b/c he thinks it's "for his own good."

he is the definition of sheep.

There has been no argument for why videotaping your whole life is a problem, aside from lack of entertainment value :p

You fight against it because you think you should.
 

Ns1

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The alternative is:

I won't follow the law if I don't agree with it.

See the issue?

yes. I never said anything about punishment. I agree if you decide to push the boundaries of the law you are subject to punishment.

It is in that punishment that (hopefully) people can see inequities in the justice system and fight it.

Ex) cops getting off w/ a slap in the wrist for wreckless driving killing 4 people while someone else smoking a blunt gets 2 years as a mandatory sentence (those figures are not necessarily correct but you get the idea)
 

Venix

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damn that rosa parks for what she started.

DAMN HER TO HELL. Bitch should've just sat the fuck down.


I don't understand the following mentality:

I will follow the law even if it's broken and that is fine.

neftard has already explained this. The law is always just and correct except when it isn't.

Criminalizing marijuana is acceptable because the majority of people want it to be illegal, whereas criminalizing Rosa Parks' conduct is wrong and immoral even if the majority of people want it to be illegal. It's always wrong to ignore or nullify laws except when it's not.
 

Pulsar

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They should have prosecuted, if it's a crime its a crime.

No it's not. Going on that logic, people should have had no problems sitting and convicting black folks of Jim Crow crimes like not moving to the back of the bus, drinking out of the wrong drinking fountain, or trying to desegregate school.

I'm beginning to understand why so many people simply ignore your uninformed posts now.

Governments are by definition control-loving, and law-passing. They routinely ignore what the majority of people want. For instance, in California, a number of medical marijuana votes have passed, yet the FEDERAL government has repeatedly try to step and an threatened to prosecute people - while ignoring the will of the people.

This is EXACTLY the remedy for that. The people - a group of his peers - clearly thinks that the law is insane. And it is. So they will NOT help prosecute him. Much like cases of Jury Nullification where the jury gives the judge and prosecuter a huge middle finger and rules based on their conscience instead of being guided by an obscene law.

If the Jury in the NJ gun case had a set of balls they would have done the same thing and called him not guilty, even after the judge did everything in his power to twist the law in a manner HE saw fit.

The people of this country ARE the power of this country. That's the way it was meant to be.
 

Pulsar

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I do speed when I drive, but I don't complain that the law is unjust when I get pulled over, I acknowledge my guilt.

I'm not thinking oh this law doesn't apply to me as it is unjust, I'm thinking I am breaking the law, and taking a calculated risk

I'll say this once, and only once, then I'm done with you for good.

Had the people NOT in power - for instance blacks - NOT fought against the illegal laws, we'd still be where we were.

Your rather insane idea that the government only passes fair laws and that we can get them changed as voters is.... well... insane. Segregation, Suffereage....

Hell, what do you think the civil war was about?

<facepalm>
 

BoberFett

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In a bit more than two months, neckarb has posted more than 2,800 times, and has yet to say anything of value.
 

bfdd

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The American Indians must have flown it in.

American Indians smoked tobacco and salvia divinorium(at least those close and in Mexico did) they also ate, drank or smoked other plants. Marijuana though is native to the Kush mountain range and spread quickly from there through trade as hemp makes great everythings and grows pretty much anywhere. I'm pretty sure European settlers brought it over, but I'm not 100% on that.