War is nasty buisness- My dad's tale of the Korean War.

[tec699]

Hey all...

My father had served in the Korean War and saw first hand what happens on the battlefield. He told me once that when he was fighting the NK army, mowing down the gooks (that's what he called them on the battlefield) like slicing a hot knive thru butter. He remembers killing little babies, women and of course men. When you fight in a war you don't give a rats ass about the other side. The only thing your worried about is trying to stay alive.

He told me of one instance when he shot this one NK in the face, the shot took his face clear off. Then his crew proceeded to kill anything that moved. And I mean anything. Why??? Because you never give your enemy a second chance. that's why.

And he's luckky to be alive. His crew, about 90% were wiped out. They overran their supply line and that's when the Chinese overtook their position. His buddy who was manning the machine gun nest was mowing down so many Chinese and Koreans that his machine gun melted. They were just poring over the cliff. There were so many of them. 🙁

We'll anyway.. I just wanted to bring it up because I think people have this misconception that the Iraqi war only targerted enemy soliders. Not true.. A great number of children and women were wasted as well. But it's a war...

🙁

 

[MichaelD]

Point of thread?

You start out well enough; talking about your Dad, a Veteran that has served his country.

War is not pretty...or fair.

But then you get into the whole "women and children' Bullcrap...sounds like a flame looking for a fest to happen.

 

[StageLeft]

Yeah war is definitely sh*t and you only need to watch some old black and white footage to be reminded of it. I've tried to imagine myself at the frontline before literally fighting for my life and it doesn't sound like fun.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Point of thread?

You start out well enough; talking about your Dad, a Veteran that has served his country.

War is not pretty...or fair.

But then you get into the whole "women and children' Bullcrap...sounds like a flame looking for a fest to happen.

Seen any kids die? I have.

 

[BooGiMaN]

yeah your post starts off cool then i dunno what happened...its like your ass is hanging out there..

almost like you decided to put as much flamebait as you could in it...


i understand that in war..there are civilian casualties but you make it sound like they went out and purposely killed women and children and then high fived each other...

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Point of thread?

You start out well enough; talking about your Dad, a Veteran that has served his country.

War is not pretty...or fair.

But then you get into the whole "women and children' Bullcrap...sounds like a flame looking for a fest to happen.

Seen any kids die? I have.

That makes two of us. War is not fun. Neither is living in a slum city where crack dealers own the streets and cops are afraid to come down the street if they're not riding in a APC.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Point of thread?

You start out well enough; talking about your Dad, a Veteran that has served his country.

War is not pretty...or fair.

But then you get into the whole "women and children' Bullcrap...sounds like a flame looking for a fest to happen.

Whether you like it or not it happened Michael. If you want to ignore the fact that little children and women die in war then that's up to you. For me though... I know what goes on the battlefield. Whenever I talk about my dads involvement in the Korean war I usually bring up the fact that he had to waste women and children. He didn't have a choice. When he could he would try and avoid civilian casualities but it's a war. Sometimes you don't have the luxury to figure out who's shooting at you.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Point of thread?

You start out well enough; talking about your Dad, a Veteran that has served his country.

War is not pretty...or fair.

But then you get into the whole "women and children' Bullcrap...sounds like a flame looking for a fest to happen.

Seen any kids die? I have.

That makes two of us. War is not fun. Neither is living in a slum city where crack dealers own the streets and cops are afraid to come down the street if they're not riding in a APC.

Ahh, I misunderstood. I thought you were disagreeing with the premise of the thread. I see you are not. Perhaps it would be better to concentrate on fixing the problems at home rather than exporting them.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Point of thread?

You start out well enough; talking about your Dad, a Veteran that has served his country.

War is not pretty...or fair.

But then you get into the whole "women and children' Bullcrap...sounds like a flame looking for a fest to happen.

Whether you like it or not it happened Michael. If you want to ignore the fact that little children and women die in war then that's up to you. For me though... I know what goes on the battlefield. Whenever I talk about my dads involvement in the Korean war I usually bring up the fact that he had to waste women and children. He didn't have a choice. When he could he would try and avoid civilian casualities but it's a war. Sometimes you don't have the luxury to figure out who's shooting at you.

I agree with you. But that's (above) not how you came across in your original post. You sounded more like "my dad did a horrible thing and I don't agree."

If it's either shoot everything in sight, or risk dying, I chose the former.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: MichaelD
Point of thread?

You start out well enough; talking about your Dad, a Veteran that has served his country.

War is not pretty...or fair.

But then you get into the whole "women and children' Bullcrap...sounds like a flame looking for a fest to happen.

Whether you like it or not it happened Michael. If you want to ignore the fact that little children and women die in war then that's up to you. For me though... I know what goes on the battlefield. Whenever I talk about my dads involvement in the Korean war I usually bring up the fact that he had to waste women and children. He didn't have a choice. When he could he would try and avoid civilian casualities but it's a war. Sometimes you don't have the luxury to figure out who's shooting at you.

I agree with you. But that's (above) not how you came across in your original post. You sounded more like "my dad did a horrible thing and I don't agree."

If it's either shoot everything in sight, or risk dying, I chose the former.

Yea.. I'd rather shoot everything in sight as well. It's a shame that innocent people get killed though.

 

[wfbberzerker]

i think that war is a little different now in the fact that there isn't as much rampant killing of innocents, especially since the media is anywhere and everywhere.

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
i think that war is a little different now in the fact that there isn't as much rampant killing of innocents, especially since the media is anywhere and everywhere.

lmaowhodoyouthinkallowsaccessandwhat/when/where/how another lesson learned in Vietnam

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
i think that war is a little different now in the fact that there isn't as much rampant killing of innocents, especially since the media is anywhere and everywhere.

lmaowhodoyouthinkallowsaccessandwhat/when/where/how another lesson learned in Vietnam

You nailed that one squarely on the head. The media was completely bamboozled by the military in Iraq. They saw nothing unless they were allowed.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
i think that war is a little different now in the fact that there isn't as much rampant killing of innocents, especially since the media is anywhere and everywhere.

lmaowhodoyouthinkallowsaccessandwhat/when/where/how another lesson learned in Vietnam

You nailed that one squarely on the head. The media was completely bamboozled by the military in Iraq. They saw nothing unless they were allowed.

But, but they were EMBEDDED!!

 

[Feldenak]

War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over.
-William Tecumseh Sherman

 

[yllus]

I've never thought it was my place to judge what a soldier has had to do in order to stay alive. Because you can bet that in your father's place, I'd be mowing down anything that moved within a 90-degree arc of my machine gun nozzle. My life > your morals.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
i think that war is a little different now in the fact that there isn't as much rampant killing of innocents, especially since the media is anywhere and everywhere.

Keep believing the falsehood that innocents were spared in the Iraqi war. Maybe this will open your eyes a bit: I just pulled the Trigger.

Sgt Meadows said: "For me, it's like snap-shot photos. Like pictures of maggots on tongues, babies with their heads on the ground, men with their heads halfway off and their eyes wide open and mouths wide open. I see it every day, every single day. The smells and the torsos burning, the entire route up to Baghdad, from 20 March to 7 April, nothing but burned bodies."

The tragedies of war.... :frown:

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: yllus
I've never thought it was my place to judge what a soldier has had to do in order to stay alive. Because you can bet that in your father's place, I'd be mowing down anything that moved within a 90-degree arc of my machine gun nozzle. My life > your morals.

damn skippy.
plus body count is body count.
kill ++

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: Feldenak

War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over.
-William Tecumseh Sherman

mean sob he was

He got the job done. And IMO he's correct.

true

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: Feldenak

War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over.
-William Tecumseh Sherman

mean sob he was

He got the job done. And IMO he's correct.

 

[0roo0roo]

you can't compare the korean war with the iraq war at all. korean war was a civil war and thus by definition very bloody. look at our own civil war for instance. neighbor on neighbor violence in cities, desperately pushing the border back and forth between contested land. not to mention the chinese hoards that came and saved the north koreans asses.

iraqi war was nothing like that.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: ScrapSilicon

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
i think that war is a little different now in the fact that there isn't as much rampant killing of innocents, especially since the media is anywhere and everywhere.

lmaowhodoyouthinkallowsaccessandwhat/when/where/how another lesson learned in Vietnam

You nailed that one squarely on the head. The media was completely bamboozled by the military in Iraq. They saw nothing unless they were allowed.

But, but they were EMBEDDED!!

No, they were embalmed. They just didn't know it.

 

[Vonkhan]

if u think that kids weren't killed in Iraq, u need to wake and do so research.

european & asian news channels & newspapers have pics and vids of stuff that make ur head spin.

 

[Miramonti]

war is sh!t, and the ones who start it unnecessarily, like iraq, are sh!tholes (and murderers).

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Vonkhan
if u think that kids weren't killed in Iraq, u need to wake and do so research. european & asian news channels & newspapers have pics and vids of stuff that make ur head spin.

that stuff isn't allowed in the states. only government run propaganda permitted, please.