War Games: China attacks Taiwan in 2026 and US defends- China's navy in shambles but 2 US aircraft carriers sunk

[Leeea]

Why would China change their current strategy when it’s appear working. They continue gaining market share and IP from US companies while maintaining the remote possibility of war against the US or US allies in hopes that we continue pouring ungodly sums of money into our war machine while criminally underfunding the needs of Americans and American infrastructure.

It is not working.

We see the world de-globalizing now. Russia and the pandemic broke the camels back. Companies are pulling out of China now, moving labor to more reliable US/European partners in Asia. China has been prohibited from receiving high tech semi-conductors. The US is pulling back from patrolling the trade lanes around Africa, China, and the middle east.

Globalization is coming to an end and now we are transitioning to a world of alliances and power. Nations need to decide which bloc they are going to be in, and the west is no longer playing nice. The western powers are running crash military production and preparing for war.

In a world sliding toward war China finds itself alone.

 

[brycejones]

I think that China is playing the loooong game. They know that they would lose to America, and our allies.

But, if they can wait. Maybe 20 years? Maybe when we harm ourselves because we won't have the men neceessary to fight a war. Especially when obestity among our youth in the West is just horrible. There have been multiple studies that were conducted by the US military just recently on the obesity epidemic, and how this is going to diminsh our military. Then again, maybe wars in the near future will be fought by robots.

Oh Lordy

 

[Leeea]

But, if they can wait. Maybe 20 years?

China does not have 20 years. Remember China's one child policy?

That means not enough kids now. China's one child generation is retiring now, and their is only one child to replace every two adults that retire.

China is more powerful today then it will be tomorrow. This is China's brightest moment for a long time to come.

 

[Mai72]

China does not have 20 years. Remember China's one child policy?

That means not enough kids now. China's one child generation is retiring now, and their is only one child to replace every two adults that retire.

China is more powerful today then it will be tomorrow. This is China's brightest moment for a long time to come.

Good point. I forgot about their one child policy.

 

[Pens1566]

India is supposed to pass China in total population within the next year ... They're kinda declining in more ways than one.

 

[rommelrommel]

China does not have 20 years. Remember China's one child policy?

That means not enough kids now. China's one child generation is retiring now, and their is only one child to replace every two adults that retire.

China is more powerful today then it will be tomorrow. This is China's brightest moment for a long time to come.

I’m not so sure, that’s a factor but militarily they’re making a lot of big strides in equipment. Ability to fight, I don’t know. I suspect their performance would be pretty poor outside of elite formations.

Xi has really been a disaster for the PRC. The world desperately wanted a mature and reasonable China. Instead we got a belligerent ultranationalist PRC that’s itching to settle old scores with military force.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Good point. I forgot about their one child policy.

The future is now; it was just reported that chinas population officially declined last uear for the first time since like the 60s? One-child policy and no doubt under-reported covid impact will devastate their demographics (and likely economy) for years to come. Wonder if it will increase the worker's share of income/wealth.

 

[JEDI]

The future is now; it was just reported that chinas population officially declined last uear for the first time since like the 60s? One-child policy and no doubt under-reported covid impact will devastate their demographics (and likely economy) for years to come. Wonder if it will increase the worker's share of income/wealth.

one child policy was supposed to increase gdp per capita.
and it did till that workforce is now reaching retirement age. (avg age is 50s)

surprised the leadership in the 1970s when one-child started to be enforced did not have a plan for when that workforce retires and the one child generation cannot support the old retirees who need govt assistance. (medical, nursing homes)

think upside down triangle with one child generation workers on the bottom trying to support all the old on top

 

[uclaLabrat]

With the population inversion the value of labor will skyrocket and hopefully the new generation will experience massive wealth gains. Thats a recipe for revolution.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Rule #1 of Warfare: Don't fuck with the USAF
Rule #2 of Warfare: Don't fuck with the USN
Rule #3 of Warfare: Don't fuck with the USA.

Basically any military engagement against a US ally basically hinges on the US being a total puss and limp dicking the support.

The moment ONE us ship or aircraft goes down due to enemy fire from a "hostile" enemy nation, it's game over for your country, and that includes China.

If China sunk a Super Carrier, no doubt in my mind it would be the mental equivalent to 9/11 in America's mind and whoever is in charge would have carte blanche for some regime change over in the far east.

 

[Indus]

Rule #1 of Warfare: Don't fuck with the USAF
Rule #2 of Warfare: Don't fuck with the USN
Rule #3 of Warfare: Don't fuck with the USA.

Basically any military engagement against a US ally basically hinges on the US being a total puss and limp dicking the support.

The moment ONE us ship or aircraft goes down due to enemy fire from a "hostile" enemy nation, it's game over for your country, and that includes China.

If China sunk a Super Carrier, no doubt in my mind it would be the mental equivalent to 9/11 in America's mind and whoever is in charge would have carte blanche for some regime change over in the far east.

The same USAF that thinks F15's and F16's are better fighters than F22's and F35's??

 

[JEDI]

The same USAF that thinks F15's and F16's are better fighters than F22's and F35's??

f35s.. sure! that's a 20yr and $1T boon doggle.

has the f22 been battle tested?
f15 strike eagles still flying? (also, miss @EagleKeeper. wonder why he just disappeared)

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It is not working.

We see the world de-globalizing now. Russia and the pandemic broke the camels back. Companies are pulling out of China now, moving labor to more reliable US/European partners in Asia. China has been prohibited from receiving high tech semi-conductors. The US is pulling back from patrolling the trade lanes around Africa, China, and the middle east.

Globalization is coming to an end and now we are transitioning to a world of alliances and power. Nations need to decide which bloc they are going to be in, and the west is no longer playing nice. The western powers are running crash military production and preparing for war.

In a world sliding toward war China finds itself alone.

One key to watch out for here, we may end up looking at a CN with difficult future prospects, an enormous number of human bodies, and a breathtaking manufacturing base sitting fallow. That's a ripe recipe for a warmonger to start attempting to absorb neighbors. Might not even be Taiwan, how many western countries are going to come to Russia's aid if China calls their nuclear bluff and invades?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Might not even be Taiwan, how many western countries are going to come to Russia's aid if China calls their nuclear bluff and invades?

Russia is doing badly in the Ukraine invasion coz I suspect most of the population doesn't want to participate in that war so their soldiers are not that motivated. However, getting invaded by China would be a "fight to the death" situation for every able man in Russia. They are crazy. China will find that out the hard way.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Russia is doing badly in the Ukraine invasion coz I suspect most of the population doesn't want to participate in that war so their soldiers are not that motivated. However, getting invaded by China would be a "fight to the death" situation for every able man in Russia. They are crazy. China will find that out the hard way.

Maybe, but China's population is an actual order of magnitude higher than theirs. While Russia is wishing it could field the ancient soviet armies of old, China actually can, and then some. They could actually equip them too. 100 million marching boots isn't something to fuck around with.

 

[igor_kavinski]

100 million marching boots isn't something to fuck around with.

If their average citizen has no qualms about it. They are already pretty pissed at their leadership over the lockdowns. I have my doubts that they will get on board with the invasion plan. They have around 2 million active soldiers. The 100 million figure may be possible if they have mandatory military training for adults (do they?).

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If their average citizen has no qualms about it. They are already pretty pissed at their leadership over the lockdowns. I have my doubts that they will get on board with the invasion plan. They have around 2 million active soldiers. The 100 million figure may be possible if they have mandatory military training for adults (do they?).

I was more meaning an actual draft, if some rando warmonger spooled up the population enough to not just burn the country to the ground when one was announced. With that many bodies you hardly need training beyond 'pointy end goes that way, start walking'.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I was more meaning an actual draft, if some rando warmonger spooled up the population enough to not just burn the country to the ground when one was announced. With that many bodies you hardly need training beyond 'pointy end goes that way, start walking'.

Then it's not just a problem for Russia. It's a problem for all the other countries that share a border with China.

 

[rommelrommel]

Rule #1 of Warfare: Don't fuck with the USAF
Rule #2 of Warfare: Don't fuck with the USN
Rule #3 of Warfare: Don't fuck with the USA.

Basically any military engagement against a US ally basically hinges on the US being a total puss and limp dicking the support.

The moment ONE us ship or aircraft goes down due to enemy fire from a "hostile" enemy nation, it's game over for your country, and that includes China.

If China sunk a Super Carrier, no doubt in my mind it would be the mental equivalent to 9/11 in America's mind and whoever is in charge would have carte blanche for some regime change over in the far east.

What would “game over” mean for China?

The USA could get their navy and probably a lot of their air force, they could run a blockade indefinitely, but the mainland is really uninvadeable unless the country collapses internally.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Then it's not just a problem for Russia. It's a problem for all the other countries that share a border with China.

Totally agree, but Russia is a stand-out in that nobody may aid them. Like seriously imagine the scenario, let's say 12 months from now. Russia has lost Crimea and the Donbas region, has a large scale of whatever trash is left basically parked at ~40km from the border with Ukraine because Putin can't figure out what to do with the situation (probably claiming the fighting is continuing, defending mother Russia from NATO, whatever). China's population has declined yet another year, financial prospects have dropped precipitously from the rapid de-globalization of the supply chain, and shit's not looking like it's going to change much on that front, so Poo bear just pulls the trigger and rapid-deploys a hundred thousand troops to take everything south/east of the Amur river in an attempt to secure an even greater hold over the Pacific. Is literally anyone going to come to Russia's aid at this point? What are the actual odds that a single one of their nuclear weapons actually works? What happens to that country when it's realized that they don't?

 

[rommelrommel]

Totally agree, but Russia is a stand-out in that nobody may aid them. Like seriously imagine the scenario, let's say 12 months from now. Russia has lost Crimea and the Donbas region, has a large scale of whatever trash is left basically parked at ~40km from the border with Ukraine because Putin can't figure out what to do with the situation (probably claiming the fighting is continuing, defending mother Russia from NATO, whatever). China's population has declined yet another year, financial prospects have dropped precipitously from the rapid de-globalization of the supply chain, and shit's not looking like it's going to change much on that front, so Poo bear just pulls the trigger and rapid-deploys a hundred thousand troops to take everything south/east of the Amur river in an attempt to secure an even greater hold over the Pacific. Is literally anyone going to come to Russia's aid at this point? What are the actual odds that a single one of their nuclear weapons actually works? What happens to that country when it's realized that they don't?

No one is coming to their aid, unless you consider sanctions to be aid. Even if they came hat in hand to NATO or the EU with promises galore, who is gonna take the chance?

I think their nukes will work well enough. They’ve proven they can maintain the rockets, and the bombs aren’t that advanced really. When maintenance is critical they’ve proven they can do it. Subs generally work, planes generally work.

The question to me is, would they launch?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

No one is coming to their aid, unless you consider sanctions to be aid. Even if they came hat in hand to NATO or the EU with promises galore, who is gonna take the chance?

I think their nukes will work well enough. They’ve proven they can maintain the rockets, and the bombs aren’t that advanced really. When maintenance is critical they’ve proven they can do it. Subs generally work, planes generally work.

The question to me is, would they launch?

Whether they do or don't, a new problem gets introduced in that scenario. The removal of either the taboo of invading a nuclear power, or the taboo of not using nukes. Both of which will put a significant crack in the relative peace we've enjoyed over the last 80 years.

 

[igor_kavinski]

What are the actual odds that a single one of their nuclear weapons actually works?

They can't be THAT incompetent

 

[igor_kavinski]

Whether they do or don't, a new problem gets introduced in that scenario. The removal of either the taboo of invading a nuclear power, or the taboo of not using nukes. Both of which will put a significant crack in the relative peace we've enjoyed over the last 80 years.

World War 3, no doubt.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

They can't be THAT incompetent

Given the money/effort they've spent on the portion of their armed forces that they actually use, I'm not confident of the amount of effort and money that's been spent on the one thing they don't think they'll ever actually need. And that's just from a leadership perspective, even if they were spendy, who's gonna notice the copious skimming from everyone in the chain? Not like anyone will be around to care if it's discovered by non-functionality.