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BoomerD

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: sandorski
No.
I *figured* you'd chime in with your typical silliness. I take it you refuse to read the Interpol report, eh? It would hurt your faith that believes in the goodness of leaders like Chavez simply because of their politics.

How sad, yet it is refreshing that you quickly replied when beckoned by a call of "fool."
The issue wasn't Chavez, it was Columbia's incursion into Equador's sovereign territory.
Colombia has every right to pursue terrorists that Ecuador and Venezuela continue to support and host within their territory.

On top of that, Chavez's direct connection with drug-smuggling, kidnapping, raping, murdering terrorists is despicable, criminal, and unforgivable.

Hopefully he'll be dead soon.
No they don't. One Nations jurisdiction stops at the other Nations Border.
Not when terrorists operate completely unhindered or with the support of the host nation. FARC is a narco-terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed, regardless of where they're sleeping. Ecuador and Venezuela have two acceptable choices: help destroy FARC, or get the fuck out of the way and STFU.
Negative. Crossing a Border without Pre-Authorization by te Nations = Act of War, no exceptions.
You mean like the armed troops who cross the US/Mexico border and shoot at our border guards? That certainly sounds like an overt act of war to me...Let's nuke Tijuana...wait a minute. You'd probably never tell if we did...maybe Mexico City...that place is in dire need of a good cleansing. One of the most polluted cities in the world.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: sandorski
No.
I *figured* you'd chime in with your typical silliness. I take it you refuse to read the Interpol report, eh? It would hurt your faith that believes in the goodness of leaders like Chavez simply because of their politics.

How sad, yet it is refreshing that you quickly replied when beckoned by a call of "fool."
The issue wasn't Chavez, it was Columbia's incursion into Equador's sovereign territory.
Colombia has every right to pursue terrorists that Ecuador and Venezuela continue to support and host within their territory.

On top of that, Chavez's direct connection with drug-smuggling, kidnapping, raping, murdering terrorists is despicable, criminal, and unforgivable.

Hopefully he'll be dead soon.
No they don't. One Nations jurisdiction stops at the other Nations Border.
Not when terrorists operate completely unhindered or with the support of the host nation. FARC is a narco-terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed, regardless of where they're sleeping. Ecuador and Venezuela have two acceptable choices: help destroy FARC, or get the fuck out of the way and STFU.
Negative. Crossing a Border without Pre-Authorization by te Nations = Act of War, no exceptions.
You mean like the armed troops who cross the US/Mexico border and shoot at our border guards? That certainly sounds like an overt act of war to me...Let's nuke Tijuana...wait a minute. You'd probably never tell if we did...maybe Mexico City...that place is in dire need of a good cleansing. One of the most polluted cities in the world.
That certainly could qualify, but that's probably not sanctioned by the Mexican Government.
 

MadRat

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Originally posted by: sandorski
No they don't. One Nations jurisdiction stops at the other Nations Border.
Never stopped John Wayne or Ronald Reagan. Oh, wait, they were just actors.... :)
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Mill
Jhhnn and all you other fools. Will you apologize now?

Interpol says laptop data not tampered with and Chavez had strong links with Colombian terrorist group
Mill

You know that they will state that the laptop was planted by those that want to discredit Chavez.

"During the raid preparation, the laptop had to have been carried in by Columbian troops in anticipation that they might be able to succeed and then plant the laptop to embarress Venezuela."


They will use the a theory/explanation similar to a policman leaving a throw away/untraceable gun when a perp was shot because they did not drop a penlight.


Or some one will say that is illegal search & seizure, the FARC had a reasonable expectation of right of privacy, they were not in Columbia.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Any nation that claims to be sovereign also claims responsibility for acts of war committed under its protection.
Then Columbia should Declare War.
I don't particularly disagree there. Yet, perhaps like terrorists Columbia avoids official methods in hopes of escaping responsibility and mass casualties. Works wonderfully for the other side.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: sandorski
No.
I *figured* you'd chime in with your typical silliness. I take it you refuse to read the Interpol report, eh? It would hurt your faith that believes in the goodness of leaders like Chavez simply because of their politics.

How sad, yet it is refreshing that you quickly replied when beckoned by a call of "fool."
The issue wasn't Chavez, it was Columbia's incursion into Equador's sovereign territory.
Colombia has every right to pursue terrorists that Ecuador and Venezuela continue to support and host within their territory.

On top of that, Chavez's direct connection with drug-smuggling, kidnapping, raping, murdering terrorists is despicable, criminal, and unforgivable.

Hopefully he'll be dead soon.
No they don't. One Nations jurisdiction stops at the other Nations Border.
Not when terrorists operate completely unhindered or with the support of the host nation. FARC is a narco-terrorist organization that needs to be destroyed, regardless of where they're sleeping. Ecuador and Venezuela have two acceptable choices: help destroy FARC, or get the fuck out of the way and STFU.
Negative. Crossing a Border without Pre-Authorization by te Nations = Act of War, no exceptions.
What a simple minded response. if a nation wont control its borders and allows a rebel group to operate from within its borders or actively helps them. Then they reap what they sow.
 

brandonb

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Originally posted by: palehorse74

Colombia has every right to pursue terrorists that Ecuador and Venezuela continue to support and host within their territory.

On top of that, Chavez's direct connection with drug-smuggling, kidnapping, raping, murdering terrorists is despicable, criminal, and unforgivable.

Hopefully he'll be dead soon.
No, they don't. If Columnbia has an issue with someone within the borders of Venezuela or Ecuador, they should contact the appropriate government and ask permission to engage said terrorists or ask for assistance in apprehending. They can't just ignore the border and do things willy nilly.

Just because someone is labeled a terrorist doesn't mean jack shit. One nations terrorist is another nations hero.
 

brandonb

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Originally posted by: Genx87

What a simple minded response. if a nation wont control its borders and allows a rebel group to operate from within its borders or actively helps them. Then they reap what they sow.
Come on Genx... From what I've read from you in the past, I don't think you'd have this opinion.

Using your logic:

If the United States won't control its border and allows a rebel group (Minute Men) to operate from within its border or actively helps them, it should be ok for Mexico to attack them.

Same thing different tune, or does something change?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: brandonb
Originally posted by: Genx87

What a simple minded response. if a nation wont control its borders and allows a rebel group to operate from within its borders or actively helps them. Then they reap what they sow.
Come on Genx... From what I've read from you in the past, I don't think you'd have this opinion.

Using your logic:

If the United States won't control its border and allows a rebel group (Minute Men) to operate from within its border or actively helps them, it should be ok for Mexico to attack them.

Same thing different tune, or does something change?

Are the minute men going into Mexico and attacking and killing Mexicans?
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Mill
Jhhnn and all you other fools. Will you apologize now?

Interpol says laptop data not tampered with and Chavez had strong links with Colombian terrorist group
It doesn't say Chavez, but Ecuador's President has ties to FARC. It also doesn't explain exactly what those ties are.
Add reading to the list of things that you are not every good at. The article clearly states that Interpol confirmed that data was not altered, and that the data pointed to ties between the FARC and Chavez AND Correa.

BTW, if you want to be taken seriously on the topic... at least spell Colombia correctly. Are Canadians really this ignorant these days? A rather colonial attitude, don't you think, to just assume that Colombia is spelled the same was one of your provinces.

Here is another link:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/wor.../16/1210765174202.html


Here is the actual report in English, Spanish, French, or Arabic:

http://www.interpol.int/Public...dfPR200817/Default.asp
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: sandorski
No.
I *figured* you'd chime in with your typical silliness. I take it you refuse to read the Interpol report, eh? It would hurt your faith that believes in the goodness of leaders like Chavez simply because of their politics.

How sad, yet it is refreshing that you quickly replied when beckoned by a call of "fool."
The issue wasn't Chavez, it was Columbia's incursion into Equador's sovereign territory.
So, then, please explain why Chavez starting running his mouth the day or the raid? If he wasn't Reyes friend (and financial backer), then why was it any of his concern? Is Ecuador sovereign? Did they ask for his input and help?

Sounds to me like Chavez is meddling in his neighbor's affairs. BTW, when a government provides material and financial support to a terrorist group in another country -- THAT is an act of war. And, yes, the U.S. did that in Latin America for decades, and I strongly condemn it.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: brandonb
Originally posted by: palehorse74

Colombia has every right to pursue terrorists that Ecuador and Venezuela continue to support and host within their territory.

On top of that, Chavez's direct connection with drug-smuggling, kidnapping, raping, murdering terrorists is despicable, criminal, and unforgivable.

Hopefully he'll be dead soon.
No, they don't. If Columnbia has an issue with someone within the borders of Venezuela or Ecuador, they should contact the appropriate government and ask permission to engage said terrorists or ask for assistance in apprehending. They can't just ignore the border and do things willy nilly.

Just because someone is labeled a terrorist doesn't mean jack shit. One nations terrorist is another nations hero.
They did those things, and the Ecuadorian government refused to do anything about the terrorists -- as it turns out, Correa and Chavez may have closer ties to FARC than even Colombia ever suspected!

FARC is nobodies hero. What was once a pseudo-political group of socialist ideologues has become a narco-terrorist organization that specializes in rape, kidnapping, drug and human smuggling, and outright murder.

Maybe you don't realize who we're dealing with here...
 

Red Dawn

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The problem is that Colombia, even if right, wouldn't fare to well going to war with Venezuela and I doubt we wouldn't be able to help them enough due to the current administration here not having any credibility or political capital.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: StepUp
Originally posted by: Lemon law
It is not without precedent for the USA to engage in proxy wars against regimes it does not like, so why should we act all enraged when Chevez MAY be doing the same. But last time I checked Chavez is not the de leader of Ecuador, so in that sense he has reason the bitch when Columbia is using its military to intervene in the affairs of its neighbors.

The Farc rebel movement has been engaged in a struggle with the government of Columbia long before Chevez came to power, and while having some of its top leadership
killed may be a set back, Farc is far from dead. And as long as Farc is alive and well, Chevez does not have to worry so much about Columbia being enlisted to fight a proxy war against him.

Methinks the OP has this childish notion that this is some game of cowboys and Indians where the Indians are the devils and the cowboys are the angels that can do no wrongs.
An insurgent movement of long standing like Farc does not remain viable long term unless they are opposed by a government that is actively engaging in repression. And there is no way anyone can make the case that Chevez is the cause of Farc.

So Chavez makes some verbal complaints and symbolic complaints the OP seems to be saying that therefor the sky is falling and the world is ending. When it probably means little or nothing because it does nothing and solves nothing.

As someone who lived in Colombia, and has been a victim of the FARC, let me tell you that you are so far off your rocker that you should be ashamed of yourself. The only reason that the FARC still has any semblance of withstanding is because they have aligned themselves with the drug traffickers, thus supplying them with the income they need to continue to fight against democracy in the region.

I see Socio post and normally I would call him Sociopath, but the truth is, that it's no tinfoil theory that Chavez wants to invade Colombia. He has said many times that he wishes to recreate the Bolivarian region that once was. He just recently purchased 1500 planes, from where, I do not remember.

You can defend Chavez in that it is obvious that the USA does not support his regime in the slightest. But do not defend an organization like the FARC or ELN (another of the leftist terrorist groups). These are people that hold many poor regions of the country hostage, forcing them to use their land for drug growing and not receiving a dime of this money.

They are the reason that Colombia has the largest number yearly of Land Mine deaths. And they are also the reason why it has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate, with Mexico just recently taking that crown (I don't know where Iraq fits into this equation).

I consider myself a liberal, but your post really pisses me off. I don't think it is the OP with the childish notion, but you who seemed to draw a line in this us vs them. The Colombian government is far from repressive.

These complaints are from symbolic or verbal. Ask anyone in the region, particularly Colombians, and they are vary wary of Chavez, and rightfully so. But that's alright, you keep living here in the USA and posting about your Socialist Utopia.

By the way, my cousin was kidnapped, held for ransom, and murdered by the FARC just last year. Was he a political senator, actively seeking to repress the members of the FARC? No, he was a singer. You may think that the FARC is not dead, but this movement has absolutely no support in Colombia. In fact demonstrations are held spontaneously quite frequently, and millions of people show up to denounce the actions. Colombians want the peace.

Queremos la paz.
i get diamond cutting hard-ons when i see lemon get owned this bad.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The problem is that Colombia, even if right, wouldn't fare to well going to war with Venezuela and I doubt we wouldn't be able to help them enough due to the current administration here not having any credibility or political capital.
Dont you mean the other way around? Columbia's armed forces are largly filled with professional soldiers much like our own. Andf they spend a lot more on defense than VZ.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The problem is that Colombia, even if right, wouldn't fare to well going to war with Venezuela and I doubt we wouldn't be able to help them enough due to the current administration here not having any credibility or political capital.
Dont you mean the other way around? Columbia's armed forces are largly filled with professional soldiers much like our own. Andf they spend a lot more on defense than VZ.
It would be a tough fight if they went 1 on 1, for sure; but I'm pretty damn sure the US Navy and Special Forces would ensure that VZ gets pwned with a quickness...
 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: sandorski

Negative. Crossing a Border without Pre-Authorization by te Nations = Act of War, no exceptions.
What if you change the border like this guy in order to justify military action.



Chavez warns Colombia against U.S. base

CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez on Wednesday warned Colombia not to allow a U.S. military base on its border with Venezuela, saying he would consider such an act an "aggression."

Chavez said he would not permit Colombia's U.S.-backed government to establish an American military base in La Guajira, a region spanning northeastern Colombia and northwestern Venezuela.

The Venezuelan leader said if Colombia allows the base, his government will revive a decades-old territorial conflict and stake a claim to the entire region.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Mill
Jhhnn and all you other fools. Will you apologize now?

Interpol says laptop data not tampered with and Chavez had strong links with Colombian terrorist group
It doesn't say Chavez, but Ecuador's President has ties to FARC. It also doesn't explain exactly what those ties are.
Add reading to the list of things that you are not every good at. The article clearly states that Interpol confirmed that data was not altered, and that the data pointed to ties between the FARC and Chavez AND Correa.

BTW, if you want to be taken seriously on the topic... at least spell Colombia correctly. Are Canadians really this ignorant these days? A rather colonial attitude, don't you think, to just assume that Colombia is spelled the same was one of your provinces.

Here is another link:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/wor.../16/1210765174202.html


Here is the actual report in English, Spanish, French, or Arabic:

http://www.interpol.int/Public...dfPR200817/Default.asp
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Interpol, the international police agency, said computer files that may link Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez to Colombia's biggest guerrilla group are authentic and weren't tampered with by the Colombian government.
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My reading is fine.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: sandorski
No.
I *figured* you'd chime in with your typical silliness. I take it you refuse to read the Interpol report, eh? It would hurt your faith that believes in the goodness of leaders like Chavez simply because of their politics.

How sad, yet it is refreshing that you quickly replied when beckoned by a call of "fool."
The issue wasn't Chavez, it was Columbia's incursion into Equador's sovereign territory.
So, then, please explain why Chavez starting running his mouth the day or the raid? If he wasn't Reyes friend (and financial backer), then why was it any of his concern? Is Ecuador sovereign? Did they ask for his input and help?

Sounds to me like Chavez is meddling in his neighbor's affairs. BTW, when a government provides material and financial support to a terrorist group in another country -- THAT is an act of war. And, yes, the U.S. did that in Latin America for decades, and I strongly condemn it.
..because Colombia Illegally crossed into Equador's sovereign Territory.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: sandorski
..because Colombia Illegally crossed into Equador's sovereign Territory.
I believe his point was in asking wtf that had to do with Chavez and Venezuela? I think you know the answer, but you're too intellectually dishonest to say so.

Here, let me help you out: Chavez was stark raving mad that his best buddies in FARC were attacked by Colombia. So, in a facade of solidarity -- with narco-terrorist rapist murderers, mind you -- Chavez decided to flex his muscles. In doing so, he hoped that his leftist butt-buddies throughout the region, such as Correa, would see him as some sort of socialist messiah.

After all, Chavez's lifelong dream is to rule over all of South America.

If Chavez had no ties with FARC, he had no business getting involved in an incident involving Ecuador and Colombia.

There, now you know.

GG.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
..because Colombia Illegally crossed into Equador's sovereign Territory.
I believe his point was in asking wtf that had to do with Chavez and Venezuela? I think you know the answer, but you're too intellectually dishonest to say so.

Here, let me help you out: Chavez was stark raving mad that his best buddies in FARC were attacked by Colombia. So, in a facade of solidarity -- with narco-terrorist rapist murderers, mind you -- Chavez decided to flex his muscles. In doing so, he hoped that his leftist butt-buddies throughout the region, such as Correa, would see him as some sort of socialist messiah.

After all, Chavez's lifelong dream is to rule over all of South America.

If Chavez had no ties with FARC, he had no business getting involved in an incident involving Ecuador and Colombia.

There, now you know.

GG.
Maybe, or perhaps it was all too close; Colombia and Venezuaela don't get along at the best of times; close ties with Equador; or many other reasons. The fact still remains: Colombia violated the sovereign territory of Equador.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
..because Colombia Illegally crossed into Ecuador's sovereign Territory.
I believe his point was in asking wtf that had to do with Chavez and Venezuela? I think you know the answer, but you're too intellectually dishonest to say so.

Here, let me help you out: Chavez was stark raving mad that his best buddies in FARC were attacked by Colombia. So, in a facade of solidarity -- with narco-terrorist rapist murderers, mind you -- Chavez decided to flex his muscles. In doing so, he hoped that his leftist butt-buddies throughout the region, such as Correa, would see him as some sort of socialist messiah.

After all, Chavez's lifelong dream is to rule over all of South America.

If Chavez had no ties with FARC, he had no business getting involved in an incident involving Ecuador and Colombia.

There, now you know.

GG.
Maybe, or perhaps it was all too close; Colombia and Venezuela don't get along at the best of times; close ties with Ecuador; or many other reasons. The fact still remains: Colombia violated the sovereign territory of Ecuador.
If Venezuela is so innocent, then why are they complaining so loudly about the laptop?

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
..because Colombia Illegally crossed into Ecuador's sovereign Territory.
I believe his point was in asking wtf that had to do with Chavez and Venezuela? I think you know the answer, but you're too intellectually dishonest to say so.

Here, let me help you out: Chavez was stark raving mad that his best buddies in FARC were attacked by Colombia. So, in a facade of solidarity -- with narco-terrorist rapist murderers, mind you -- Chavez decided to flex his muscles. In doing so, he hoped that his leftist butt-buddies throughout the region, such as Correa, would see him as some sort of socialist messiah.

After all, Chavez's lifelong dream is to rule over all of South America.

If Chavez had no ties with FARC, he had no business getting involved in an incident involving Ecuador and Colombia.

There, now you know.

GG.
Maybe, or perhaps it was all too close; Colombia and Venezuela don't get along at the best of times; close ties with Ecuador; or many other reasons. The fact still remains: Colombia violated the sovereign territory of Ecuador.
If Venezuela is so innocent, then why are they complaining so loudly about the laptop?
I dunno, ask Chavez.
 

Andres3605

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: sandorski
..because Colombia Illegally crossed into Equador's sovereign Territory.
I believe his point was in asking wtf that had to do with Chavez and Venezuela? I think you know the answer, but you're too intellectually dishonest to say so.

Here, let me help you out: Chavez was stark raving mad that his best buddies in FARC were attacked by Colombia. So, in a facade of solidarity -- with narco-terrorist rapist murderers, mind you -- Chavez decided to flex his muscles. In doing so, he hoped that his leftist butt-buddies throughout the region, such as Correa, would see him as some sort of socialist messiah.

After all, Chavez's lifelong dream is to rule over all of South America.

If Chavez had no ties with FARC, he had no business getting involved in an incident involving Ecuador and Colombia.

There, now you know.

GG.
Maybe, or perhaps it was all too close; Colombia and Venezuela don't get along at the best of times; close ties with Ecuador; or many other reasons. The fact still remains: Colombia violated the sovereign territory of Ecuador.
Actually Pre Chavez the relations have been very good, His life term goal is to reunite the Grand Colombia under his socialist rule and to challenge "the empire itself", his biggest obstacle the firm democratic opposition of the Colombian president and the 83% of the Colombian population that support him.

His answer is support to a hostile take over by FARC by any means, he even did a national minute of silent when Reyes died, they are his allies and he will fight other countries for them, this incident was the only answer Colombia had in their hand, they gave Ecuador more than 30 reports of FARC bases with coordinates in their soil which went ignored in the past year, is the obligation of an army to protect their population at any cost.

 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Andres3605
Actually Pre Chavez the relations have been very good, His life term goal is to reunite the Grand Colombia under his socialist rule and to challenge "the empire itself", his biggest obstacle the firm democratic opposition of the Colombian president and the 83% of the Colombian population that support him.

His answer is support to a hostile take over by FARC by any means, he even did a national minute of silent when Reyes died, they are his allies and he will fight other countries for them, this incident was the only answer Colombia had in their hand, they gave Ecuador more than 30 reports of FARC bases with coordinates in their soil which went ignored in the past year, is the obligation of an army to protect their population at any cost.
:thumbsup:
 

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