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MadRat

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Chavez cannot sustain 10 battalions at the border with Colombia without serious costs. He's not exactly running a Third world country. His military doesn't work for free like in a dictatorship. And he might have bought a hand full of Sukhoi Flankers but no more than a half dozen were delivered so far and none of them are anywhere close to being an operational unit. Hell, Colombia might shoot down all of their F-16's and Flankers with their modest (and mostly secondhand) air force due to Chavez's arrogance. The ground war greatly favors the Colombians. Simply put, the Colombians have way more people and quite a lot more money.
 

Jhhnn

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From Mill-

Jhhnn, do you still stand behind your idiotic comment?

Thanks for the Ad hom- it means you don't have anything of substance to offer.

Moving on to the alleged "revelations" from the seized notebook computers, and the alleged documents, what evidence can you offer that it's not all completely fabricated by the Colombians?

Faith?

Yeh, I'll stand by my original statement, because in doing so I don't have to believe either the Colombians or the Chavez regime. And if Chavez is, in truth, supporting FARC, that's not inconsistent with my original statement, at all...
 

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: K1052
I doubt he'll actually use his own military. He'll probably just send some more advanced weapons and cash to FARC.

Involving his military forces in an all out offensive against a sovereign nation that is heavily supported and allied with the US brings an unacceptably high probability of US military intervention.

However with so much of the US militaries resources caught up in the Middle East the probability is now an acceptable risk to him.

The Air Force, Navy, and a bunch of Marine aviators don't actually have a lot to do right now. Pounding the crap out of the VZ military wouldn't take more than a few days once they had the go ahead.

Let the Colombians provide the ground forces.

We could surely wipe out his air assets and most of the vehicles like tanks etc... but we would have a bitch of a time trying to wipe out his ground troops in the thick jungles....
 

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From Mill-

Jhhnn, do you still stand behind your idiotic comment?

Thanks for the Ad hom- it means you don't have anything of substance to offer.

Moving on to the alleged "revelations" from the seized notebook computers, and the alleged documents, what evidence can you offer that it's not all completely fabricated by the Colombians?

Faith?

Yeh, I'll stand by my original statement, because in doing so I don't have to believe either the Colombians or the Chavez regime. And if Chavez is, in truth, supporting FARC, that's not inconsistent with my original statement, at all...

All the evidence is being vetted by the OAS and experts from around the world. And, yes, it is is inconsistent with your original statement that justified Venezuela's bullying of Colombia by comparing the situation to Iraq and the United States. Chavez is the bully.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: palehorse74
[Chavez] may lend his troops to assist FARC in finally capturing Colombia.

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Socio
Who knows, ten years from now South America could have a whole new name, Chavezuela!

Funny. Somewhat plausible...

Hardly plausible at all, please. :disgust:

If, in some bizarro alternate universe, Chavez ordered his "army" to invade Columbia, the result would be a tragi-comic clusterfuck all around, and Chavez would suffer the same fate as the Argentine junta generals after the Falklands -- his own people would give him the damn boot.

And, really, Chavez knows this.

"Move 10 battalions for me to the border with Colombia, immediately" is an internal PR move. The principals (governments) on both sides have too much to lose, and they both know it.

There will be no war.

I'm taking bets. Even odds, you name the amount. Foreign policy prognosticators of P&N, stand up and be counted! :p

I don?t know about that, I think the conquest of Colombia with the forethought of taking Panama after and seizing control the canal which is a vital shipping artery for both international commercial and US military vessels has to be pretty tempting for that power mad lunatic. So I would not put it past him to at least make an attempt at taking Colombia for that very reason.

You are insane.

How is Chavez going to take Panama? The international community would never allow him to do something like that. Hell, we wouldn't allow that. He would be bombed back to the stone age in no time flat. Where do you get your ideas for how geopolitics work? Mad magazine?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: StepUp
Originally posted by: Lemon law
It is not without precedent for the USA to engage in proxy wars against regimes it does not like, so why should we act all enraged when Chevez MAY be doing the same. But last time I checked Chavez is not the de leader of Ecuador, so in that sense he has reason the bitch when Columbia is using its military to intervene in the affairs of its neighbors.

The Farc rebel movement has been engaged in a struggle with the government of Columbia long before Chevez came to power, and while having some of its top leadership
killed may be a set back, Farc is far from dead. And as long as Farc is alive and well, Chevez does not have to worry so much about Columbia being enlisted to fight a proxy war against him.

Methinks the OP has this childish notion that this is some game of cowboys and Indians where the Indians are the devils and the cowboys are the angels that can do no wrongs.
An insurgent movement of long standing like Farc does not remain viable long term unless they are opposed by a government that is actively engaging in repression. And there is no way anyone can make the case that Chevez is the cause of Farc.

So Chavez makes some verbal complaints and symbolic complaints the OP seems to be saying that therefor the sky is falling and the world is ending. When it probably means little or nothing because it does nothing and solves nothing.


As someone who lived in Colombia, and has been a victim of the FARC, let me tell you that you are so far off your rocker that you should be ashamed of yourself. The only reason that the FARC still has any semblance of withstanding is because they have aligned themselves with the drug traffickers, thus supplying them with the income they need to continue to fight against democracy in the region.

I see Socio post and normally I would call him Sociopath, but the truth is, that it's no tinfoil theory that Chavez wants to invade Colombia. He has said many times that he wishes to recreate the Bolivarian region that once was. He just recently purchased 1500 planes, from where, I do not remember.

You can defend Chavez in that it is obvious that the USA does not support his regime in the slightest. But do not defend an organization like the FARC or ELN (another of the leftist terrorist groups). These are people that hold many poor regions of the country hostage, forcing them to use their land for drug growing and not receiving a dime of this money.

They are the reason that Colombia has the largest number yearly of Land Mine deaths. And they are also the reason why it has the 2nd highest kidnapping rate, with Mexico just recently taking that crown (I don't know where Iraq fits into this equation).

I consider myself a liberal, but your post really pisses me off. I don't think it is the OP with the childish notion, but you who seemed to draw a line in this us vs them. The Colombian government is far from repressive.

These complaints are from symbolic or verbal. Ask anyone in the region, particularly Colombians, and they are vary wary of Chavez, and rightfully so. But that's alright, you keep living here in the USA and posting about your Socialist Utopia.

By the way, my cousin was kidnapped, held for ransom, and murdered by the FARC just last year. Was he a political senator, actively seeking to repress the members of the FARC? No, he was a singer. You may think that the FARC is not dead, but this movement has absolutely no support in Colombia. In fact demonstrations are held spontaneously quite frequently, and millions of people show up to denounce the actions. Colombians want the peace.

Queremos la paz.

Hey look! An actually informative post! One thing though, isn't Cambodia the #1 place for land mine deaths each year? Maybe they just get maimed the most, I'm not sure. You are completely right though, the FARC at this point is very little more then organized crime. It's not really fighting for a revolution, it's fighting to make money.

I'm sorry to hear about your family, but it's nice to hear from someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Socio's still crazy though.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: dennilfloss
10 battalions is about what, 5-15k men, about a regiment or two? Not enough to invade. More likely just posturing.

A battalion of infantry is usually between 500-750 persons, depending on the nation and type.

UPDATE: Colombia to accuse Chavez before international court

(CNN) -- Colombian President Alvaro Uribe said Tuesday that he will seek Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's denunciation in international court for financing a terrorist group.

President Bush vowed to stand by Colombia and criticized Venezuala's "provocative maneuvers."

1 of 2 Camilo Ospina, Colombia's ambassador to the United Nations, will go before the International Criminal Court to accuse Chavez of "supporting and financing genocides," Uribe told reporters.

The Colombian leader alleged Monday that correspondence taken from computers seized in last weekend's military raid into Ecuador showed Chavez had given $300 million to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.

Colombia's largest rebel group, known by the Spanish acronym FARC, has sought to overthrow the government for more than 40 years. The United States and European Union consider the FARC a terrorist organization. Watch tension build in South America »

Raul Reyes, a FARC leader, was killed in Saturday's raid.

Venezuelan officials have denied Colombia's allegations.

Ecuadoran President Rafael Correa severed diplomatic ties with Colombia on Monday and moved troops toward the Colombia border, as did Venezuela.

"I told the president that America fully supports Colombia's democracy and that we fully oppose any acts of aggression that could destabilize the region," Bush told reporters at the White House.

He added that the United States "continues to stand with Colombia as it confronts violence and terrorism and fights drug traffickers."

State Department deputy spokesman Tom Casey said the United States supports efforts by the Organization of American States to find a diplomatic solution to the South American rift.

"This is a serious incident between two important countries in the region," Casey said. "But it is not one that we think is going to cause any long-term problems."

The Permanent Council of the OAS was meeting Tuesday in Washington in an effort to head off an escalation between Ecuador and Colombia, a senior administration official told CNN. Learn how the situation has developed »

The goal of the meeting, according to the official, is "to calm everyone down and determine what the facts are," pertaining to this weekend's attack. The official asked not to be identified because of the sensitive nature of the situation.

The EU's presidency on Tuesday urged all parties involved "to show restraint and to avoid any further escalation of the current situation."

"The European Union encourages all countries involved to seek, through dialogue, a political solution," the EU statement
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: palehorse74
[Chavez] may lend his troops to assist FARC in finally capturing Colombia.

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: Socio
Who knows, ten years from now South America could have a whole new name, Chavezuela!

Funny. Somewhat plausible...

Hardly plausible at all, please. :disgust:

If, in some bizarro alternate universe, Chavez ordered his "army" to invade Columbia, the result would be a tragi-comic clusterfuck all around, and Chavez would suffer the same fate as the Argentine junta generals after the Falklands -- his own people would give him the damn boot.

And, really, Chavez knows this.

"Move 10 battalions for me to the border with Colombia, immediately" is an internal PR move. The principals (governments) on both sides have too much to lose, and they both know it.

There will be no war.

I'm taking bets. Even odds, you name the amount. Foreign policy prognosticators of P&N, stand up and be counted! :p

I would be surprised if Chavez were to invade. That being said, keep in mind that this is the dictator...er, president who believed that his people would essentially elect him for life and give him full control over the government back in December. He doesn't exactly have an iron grip on reality.

I haven't read anything about Colombia mobilizing anything in response to Venezuela or Equador moving troops, though perhaps they don't have to with their constant COIN operations.

What I find most amusing about this incident is the fact that the Equadorean government has just sidestepped the issue that a senior FARC commander was killed at a camp which was completely within Equador. Regardless of the violation of sovereignty by Colombian forces, perhaps some attention should be made to the now indisputable fact that Equador is indeed harboring narco-terrorist forces within its borders.

I suspect Chavez is defending FARC terrorists on his own side of the border, not preparing to invade Colombia.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: nullzero
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: K1052
I doubt he'll actually use his own military. He'll probably just send some more advanced weapons and cash to FARC.

Involving his military forces in an all out offensive against a sovereign nation that is heavily supported and allied with the US brings an unacceptably high probability of US military intervention.

However with so much of the US militaries resources caught up in the Middle East the probability is now an acceptable risk to him.

The Air Force, Navy, and a bunch of Marine aviators don't actually have a lot to do right now. Pounding the crap out of the VZ military wouldn't take more than a few days once they had the go ahead.

Let the Colombians provide the ground forces.

We could surely wipe out his air assets and most of the vehicles like tanks etc... but we would have a bitch of a time trying to wipe out his ground troops in the thick jungles....
I bet we could bribe his Generals. Of course we'd have to pay them with Euros.
 

palehorse

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UPDATE: Colombia: Latin America tries to defuse escalating crisis

Mexico City and Bogota, Colombia - Latin American countries are rushing to defuse the region's worst diplomatic crisis in years after Ecuador and Venezuela cut ties with Colombia, deployed troops to the borders, and issued warnings of war in the wake of Colombia's airstrike Saturday on leftist rebels based in neighboring Ecuador.

The Organization of American States (OAS) moved to hold an emergency meeting Tuesday to press for a peaceful solution, but in the current heated atmosphere, some experts expect the issue to move quickly to the United Nations Security Council.

Colombia's President Álvaro Uribe accused Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez on Tuesday of "sponsoring and financing genocide" after Colombian officials said Saturday's raid turned up evidence that Mr. Chávez paid $300 million to support the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) rebel group.

While most observers consider full-scale war unlikely, they warn that the bluster and saber rattling could ruin efforts to climb down from the current crisis.

"Rhetoric, when it reaches a certain level, is in and of itself a concern," says Peter DeShazo, the director of the Americas Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "To move things in a positive direction [the countries must] stop the verbal confrontations."

Colombia initially apologized for Saturday's incursion that killed a senior FARC leader, Raul Reyes, but then claimed Monday that documents found on computers seized in the raid showed that Chávez had funded the guerrillas and that Ecuador's leftist leader Rafael Correa (a Chávez ally) had sent a minister to meet with the rebels. Colombian police also say they found evidence that the FARC had been trying to get radioactive material for dirty bombs. Ecuador and Venezuela deny the allegations.

Ecuador marshals regional support

Mr. Correa arrived in Peru on Tuesday to start a five-nation tour of the region to lobby for support against what he calls a premeditated violation of his country's sovereignty.

"This is not a bilateral problem, it's a regional problem," he said. "Should this set a precedent, Latin America will become another Middle East."

Ecuador will seek a resolution at the OAS condemning Colombia for violating its territory, says Vicente Torrijos, an international relations expert in Bogotá. Colombia, he says, will defend itself on the basis of a UN antiterrorism resolution that prohibits states from "providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts."

Mr. Uribe reportedly spent the day Monday on the phone with regional leaders explaining his country's position. Colombia is expected to present further evidence of Venezuela and Ecuador's alleged support of the FARC at the OAS meeting.

Mr. Torrijos sees the conflict eventually being taken up by the UN Security Council and even envisions sanctions on Venezuela and Ecuador under the antiterrorism resolution.

Carlos Luna, a foreign affairs expert at the Central University of Venezuela in Caracas, says that the nations must work hard not to internationalize the conflict. "Siding of countries along ideological lines could cause lasting effects on the region," he says.

Ideology behind the tensions

But politics has driven much of the current meltdown. Chávez, who on his Sunday radio program said that it would be a cause for war if Colombia attempted a similar raid on Venezuelan territory, has been criticized for meddling. "The reaction by [Chávez] has been irresponsible in the manner in which he took the incident personally even though it is an issue to resolve between Ecuador and Colombia," says Carlos Romero, a professor of political science at the Central University of Venezuela in Caracas.

Relations between Chávez and Uribe, whom Chávez calls a US pawn, have deteriorated since Chávez attempted to mediate a prisoner swap. Although six hostages have been released to Venezuelan authorities, Chávez was quickly recalled for breaching protocols.

Colombia has been criticized too, for staging the attack without warning Ecuador, and then for the timing of its accusations against Ecuador and Venezuela. "The handling of that evidence has been pretty disastrous," says Gerson Arias, an analyst with the Ideas Para la Paz think tank in Bogotá, adding that Colombia should have held off on presenting the information from the seized computers until the OAS met.

By first apologizing to Ecuador for its incursion into Ecuadorean territory ? an apology that Ecuador did not accept ? and then revealing the evidence of FARC ties to the media in Bogotá sends "confusing and mixed messages."

Correa said Monday that the strike by Colombia spoiled negotiations his country was pursuing on a hostage swap ? putting another dent in bilateral relations. "At the present moment it is very difficult to ease the tension between Colombia and Ecuador," says Adrian Bonilla, a political analyst at the Latin American Faculty of Social Sciences in Quito.

Still, many expect ties between Ecuador and Colombia to improve quickly. "With Venezuela the breach is much greater, the ideological gap," says Mr. DeShazo. "The confrontation is deeper between Venezuela and Colombia than with Ecuador."

The standoff is stoking nationalist sentiment in Ecuador and Colombia, says Mr. Bonilla. "Most of the people in Ecuador are rejecting the behavior of [Uribe], in every social condition, and from every different ideological base," says Mr. Bonilla. "In the case of Colombia many are supporting their government."

The region has become polarized so quickly, in part, because of each country's weak institutions, says Riordan Roett, director of the Latin American Studies Program at Johns Hopkins University's Paul H. Nitze School for Advanced International Studies in Washington.

"The processes that would normally work out these problems don't exist," says Mr. Roett. "What would normally have happened, rather than forcing ambassadors to leave, would be dialogue of foreign ministers and special envoys."

In Bogotá, the mood is somber, following the celebratory atmosphere after Saturday's coup against the FARC. And while most Colombians believe a war with their neighbors is improbable, some have little faith in a diplomatic solution.

Javier Cardenas says things may have gone past the point of diplomacy and fears an armed conflict could break out. "Before, it seemed like something far off and impossible. Now it looks like it's something that's possible and very, very close," he said.

If the allegations concerning direct support to FARC are found true in an international court of law, we may get to see Chavez hang from a rope sooner than we'd hoped! :D

Then again, we have to consider his close ties with Iran and Russia... I wonder if they'd support him in the UN after his support of FARC is proven... that would be interesting...
 

Jhhnn

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Narco terrorists, Andrew R? Shee-it, Sherlock- all the Colombian factions support the Cocaine trade- From the govt (under the table, of course) to their murderous rightwing paramilitaries to FARC- none of them turn away drug money... The Colombian economy would collapse w/o it...

And, Palehorse, if Chavez is supporting FARC, wouldn't that be kinda like Bush supporting the MEK and other terrorist groups attacking Iran? Or Reagan's support of the Contras and the Salvadoran and Guatemalan death squads of that era? How about our tacit support of the current Colombian regime and their ongoing relationship with rightwing death squads in that country?
 
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Christ, Colombia could eradicate both Ecuador and Venezuela at the same time.

Won't Chavez ever learn to shut the fuck up, the truth is that he got Ecuador into this because he supports the FARC terrorists, the reports about Colombia going into Ecuador came from Venezuela, come on, i mean COME ON.

Chavez won't get reelected, he knows it, looks at GW, war is the solution.

Chavez would rather kill a million people than leave his seat, he needs the clause about presidency of war to be able to stay in power, and he'll get it.

Just watch him.
 
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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Narco terrorists, Andrew R? Shee-it, Sherlock- all the Colombian factions support the Cocaine trade- From the govt (under the table, of course) to their murderous rightwing paramilitaries to FARC- none of them turn away drug money... The Colombian economy would collapse w/o it...

And, Palehorse, if Chavez is supporting FARC, wouldn't that be kinda like Bush supporting the MEK and other terrorist groups attacking Iran? Or Reagan's support of the Contras and the Salvadoran and Guatemalan death squads of that era? How about our tacit support of the current Colombian regime and their ongoing relationship with rightwing death squads in that country?

I'm English and i claim Chavez (as he himself has stated publicly) supports the FARC with not only words but moneterily also.

Now what?
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Narco terrorists, Andrew R? Shee-it, Sherlock- all the Colombian factions support the Cocaine trade- From the govt (under the table, of course) to their murderous rightwing paramilitaries to FARC- none of them turn away drug money... The Colombian economy would collapse w/o it...

It's not my term, nor is it incorrect to use.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
And, Palehorse, if Chavez is supporting FARC, wouldn't that be kinda like Bush supporting the MEK and other terrorist groups attacking Iran? Or Reagan's support of the Contras and the Salvadoran and Guatemalan death squads of that era? How about our tacit support of the current Colombian regime and their ongoing relationship with rightwing death squads in that country?
no.
 

Jhhnn

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No, Palehorse?

Perhaps you'd care to explain how and why there's a difference?

Well, other than the usual Us vs Them, and we're different and good because we're Us, and they're bad because they're Them...
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
No, Palehorse?

Perhaps you'd care to explain how and why there's a difference?

Well, other than the usual Us vs Them, and we're different and good because we're Us, and they're bad because they're Them...

I knew you'd figure it out on your own! good job son! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

maddogchen

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wow Venezuela actually closed its borders with Colombia? Isn't that like shooting yourself in the foot?
 

MadRat

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Colombia doesn't have all the high tech goodies that Venezuela has, but they have enough to defend themselves from aggression. Venezuela has really outspend them dollar wise. Fortunately for Colombia it was lots of dollar-wise and pound-foolish tomfoolery spending by Venezuela. Like people have pointed out several times, Venezuela needs Colombia as a trading partner. Colombia has more to worry from Ecuador since its the latter they invaded.
 

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At the moment Venezuela has been all bluff as expected, They know they can't attack as their coeuntry wasn't touched but they are moving troops to show some power and to show support to teir Farc buddies, Chavez knows better than anyone that if he makes a bad move he puts his regimen in danger.

Closing the border is a bad measure for both countries, Venezuela buys a huge amount of basic necessity items, milk, meat, vegetables which can't be replaced overnight let alone at the same prices, Colombia looses a regular costumer and needs to look elsewhere while in the border thousands of smugglers will just move the most important basic items (flour, meats, powdered milk...) in contraband and sell then for 2 or 3 times the regular value.


As for Jhhnn is very easy to talk about stuff that you dont know about, and to criticize the Colombian government while sitting confortable at home eating some pie and watching cable tv, you have no idea what terror is, you don't know what FARC is, and is not a romantic Robin Hood's tale of the oppresed fighting the rich, They don't care about the people, they just want power even if they have to kill everyone in the country who doesn't support them ( around 85%+ are agains them).
 

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Looks like Chavez might be in some trouble over this now;

Colombia seeks Criminal charges against Chavez

Hugo Chavez may have more to worry about than his terrorist allies getting taken out by the Colombian Military. Information gathered from the laptop of slain terrorist leader Raul Reyes implicates the Venezuelan Dictator in supplying the terrorist group to the tune 0f 300 Million Dollars. Reyes?s Terror group FARC, is responsible for massacres of civilians, terrorist bombings, kidnapping and holding hostage hundreds of people. The information gathered about Chaves?s contribution to terror will be presented to the international criminal court in an effort to bring charges against the Venezuelan dictator.

If the take him to international criminal court and he is found guilty I wonder how they will go about arresting him assuming a sentence in international criminal court equates to jail time? You can't just send cops to the door with a warrant and the idiot would never surrender himself.

Edit: Here is a better link a little more detailed;

Colombia wants charges against Chávez
 

Socio

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Looks like things are esculating:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23481949/">Venezuela moves tanks to Colombian border
The two countries have tightened borders, deploying thousands of troops
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Venezuela has begun mobilizing its forces by air, land and sea in a dispute with Colombia, Venezuela's defense minister said Wednesday, escalating a regional crisis.

It is a power keg, and I think one shot will set it off.
 

Genx87

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Chavez needs a crisis to remain in power. This is his crisis. I am going to assume Colombia can defend herself against the other two countries. But I am sure if things get crazy we will see the US navy performing strikes. Which of course plays right into the hands of Chavez and his propaganda about US imperialism.