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War against Iraq: how do we know we WON?

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This is the problem inherent here...we may never know when we've "won":

"As uplifting as the memory of the aftermath of the Second World War may be, [Bush's] analogy may be premature. In 1945, the Allied victory was total, the surrender of Germany and Japan unequivocal, the war decisively won. In 2003, the destruction of Saddam's regime will be an incremental victory, like the liberation of Paris on the way to Berlin. Nor are the repercussions of even a successful invasion guaranteed to be uniformly favorable. Just as America's defeat in Vietnam did not precipitate defeat in the struggle against Soviet Communism, victory in Iraq will not necessarily precipitate victory in the struggle against terror, or insure the proliferation of peace in the Middle East.

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The President's latest musings on postware Iraq suggest that he understands it will not be enough to win the war militarily. It is the peace that will measure America's succes or failure in Iraq, and, more broadly, set its reputation for good or ill as the imperial global power. This is why many of those who oppose the war abroad are made as uneasy by the prospect of an American triumph as by the possibility that war in Iraq will unleash greater disorder and catastrophe."

From The New Yorker, March 10th. I couldn't find it online. Spells it out pretty well...
 
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: XZeroII
when the Anti-War people start taking credit for keeping the world safe by getting rid of Saddam.

Or maybe when the US decides to not support the territory within Irak that does harbour terrorists?

Nah, let's blow up the rest of the country and instill a new order, divide the country in three states, all of the US controlled, THAT will not piss any arab off...


IDIOTS!!!!!

What do you expect, terrorist acts all day long... you will get it...

I am so sad.. it is to late..

To hell with you...
 
I'd say when saddam is no longer in power and the people of Iraq are no longer killed for the fun of it we will have won.

O yeah, all that disarming crap ^_^
 
Originally posted by: Mallow
I'd say when saddam is no longer in power and the people of Iraq are no longer killed for the fun of it we will have won.

O yeah, all that disarming crap ^_^

Eh, when Irak is the 53😀 state? pumping oil for fun?

Everyone who has just ONE BIT of knowledge knows that Irak will be divided into three states, two of them controlled by US generals, one of them controlled by a US village idiot...

This is a hijack of an entrire country, this is not to dismiss a threat, anyone, even fully blind can see that... this is about the US getting their way...

This is the beginning of a new cold war, because you know what... i would gladly fight AGAINST the us on this matter, i had hope, and could not even imagine that a REAL nation would ever oppose the UN...

I am only one, but i oppose the US!
 
Originally posted by: VBboy
If the war against Iraq is fought, what will we be after? We obviously don't want to just flatten Bahdad.. So how do we know we've "won"?

Does killing Saddam mean we won?
Are we after taking down their entire government?
Do we want to completely destroy their army?

What defines our victory?

Didn't you promise to not start ay new threads until tomorrow?
Bill
 
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