Question Wanting Blazing fast computer for Photoshop, Premiere, and others.

[kirkdickinson]

My old computer is showing some age. It has been faithful, but it is time. I built it in 2012 and I spent a lot of money on it, but it still plugging away 7 years later. It is built on the old i7-3930K a 6 core that was smoking fast at the time. Until the 7700 there wasn't a modern cpu that had a faster single thread PassMark score.

I care primarily about getting the fastest single thread speed that I can because Photoshop mostly utilizes the first core really hard, and the second a little less. The rest don't do much for Photoshop.

On the PassMark Single thread page, out of the top 7, there are 6 AMD's and one Intel:

AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 3700 3,039 24,804 ??
AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 3900 3,031 32,946 ??
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 2,984 24,584 $380
Intel Core i9-9900KF 2,921 20,610 $480
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 2,919 31,862 $565
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 2,911 23,889 $345
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 2,911 20,493 $235

There isn't but 188 difference between the top and the Intel i9-9900KF. Now the multithread difference is a lot more, but for Photoshop that won't matter much.

I have not built an AMD computer for myself in YEARS and usually build an Intel/Asus system. I wanted to do Intel again because I wanted to use an Optane boot drive.

I just want to ask some questions to make sure I am not blinded by my preconceptions.

Should I use the Ryzen 7 3800X, gain 63 points in single thread, pick up 3974 in total and save $100?

Will the Optane make any difference over using a Gigabyte AORUS NVMe Gen4 M.2 1TB? The Optane scores lower in the PassMark test but some other benchmarks that I have seen put it higher.

I guess I have had my heart set on Optane because of the cool new tech and all, but it cost double for half the storage.

My other concern is the number of pathways. On all these motherboards I keep reading that if certain M.2 ports are used, then certain SATA ports won't work. My old Sandy Bridge Motherboard has 8 SATA Devices plugged into it and works just fine. I am not sure that the new boards, Intel or AMD can do that?

I am sure that I have more questions, but an AMD build looks cheaper than an Intel build and if I can get as much bang for less money, I am all for it.

Thanks for reading my lengthy post... Kirk

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Without knowing much about your budget sounds like what you want is threadripper
More pcie lanes, more IO, moar cores

 

[kirkdickinson]

Without knowing much about your budget sounds like what you want is threadripper
More pcie lanes, more IO, moar cores

Thanks for responding.

I would like to keep it around $3000. I have all the main spinning hard drives that I will move from my old computer.

It looks like Threadripper loses me 700 points over the Ryzen 7 3800X in single core performance and only gains 859 it total. Plus costing $259 more.

Are you recomending the Threadripper soley on the extra lanes? I couldn't find a comparison right away on the lane count.

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X vs Ryzen 7 3800X [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Paging @Markfw

 

[Markfw]

What you really need is threadripper 3000 series. Not out until next month. All the scores you see will be beaten by it.

If there is no way you can wait, get the 2950x (should be cheap now). But you really want PCIE4.0, and a great nvme drive, like the Corsair 1tb one that I have. The IO rates blow everything else out of the water. You have to wait for threadripper 3000 series for all of this.

If 12 cores will do, then a nice x570 board and the 3900x and that drive should make you happy. They will only be a tad slower than the new threadrippers. The 9900k is kind of a dead platform and the IO sucks compared to PCIE 4.0 drives.

 

[kirkdickinson]

What you really need is threadripper 3000 series. Not out until next month. All the scores you see will be beaten by it.

If there is no way you can wait, get the 2950x (should be cheap now). But you really want PCIE4.0, and a great nvme drive, like the Corsair 1tb one that I have. The IO rates blow everything else out of the water. You have to wait for threadripper 3000 series for all of this.

If 12 cores will do, then a nice x570 board and the 3900x and that drive should make you happy. They will only be a tad slower than the new threadrippers. The 9900k is kind of a dead platform and the IO sucks compared to PCIE 4.0 drives.

This is not urgent. My old computer is running fine. I usually do a lot of research and agonize over the decision because I only build myself a computer about every 5 years and I want it to last.

Will it require all new motherboards to utilize the PCIE 4.0?

Wow, found an article that says:

... 4 DDR4 channels and a whopping 64 lanes of PCIe, with all 64 lanes being enabled for all ThreadRipper SKUs.​

I wonder what that new cpu will cost?

 

[kirkdickinson]

I can order this now. From my reading, the next gen of Threadripper won’t be backward compatible. Might just have to wait and see what the new ones cost.

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[daveybrat]

I agree with Mark. There's no point in upgrading yet from what you currently have until the next gen Threadripper's come out. The single-threaded IPC should be much higher.

 

[kirkdickinson]

I agree with Mark. There's no point in upgrading yet from what you currently have until the next gen Threadripper's come out. The single-threaded IPC should be much higher.

Here is what I have now next to the top seven single tread performers:

AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 3700 3,039 24,804 ??
AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 3900 3,031 32,946 ??
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 2,984 24,584 $380
Intel Core i9-9900KF 2,921 20,610 $480
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 2,919 31,862 $565
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 2,911 23,889 $345
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 2,911 20,493 $235
Threadripper 2950X 2,210 25,447 $639
Threadripper 2990WX 2,074 23,163 $1,566
Intel Core i7-3930K 1,935 11,976

Right now even the most expensive Threadripper only gains me 139 points on single thread score. Don't quite understand that??? Every one of them is double or almost triple of the total performance of what I have.

So right now for single thread, it looks like the best bang for the buck is the Ryzen 7 3800X. There doesn't seem to be much of a jump up to the next level and can't even find them for sale anywhere.

What are the odds that the new 3 gen Threadrippers will be in the $600+/- range????

If I could get Ryzen 3900 performance with all those PCI lanes, that would sure be cool. There are also rumors that the 3 gen Threadrippers will have 8 memory channels, instead of the current 4. What is up Intel? I remember way back in the 90's I had computers where you had to fill all 4 slots to get the best performance. Why did they abandon that?

 

[IronWing]

Might want to read some of the articles over on Puget System's site. They do specific Photoshop and Premiere testing.

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[Muadib]

The 3950x will start at $750.

 

[kirkdickinson]

The 3950x will start at $750.

Saw some articles today saying that the gen 3 Threadrippers won't be out now until 2nd Qtr. 2020.

 

[Markfw]

Saw some articles today saying that the gen 3 Threadrippers won't be out now until 2nd Qtr. 2020.

Well, thats not what Sisa Su said, I will believe here first.

 

[kirkdickinson]

Well, thats not what Sisa Su said, I will believe here first.

I had to go searching to find that article. I misread the publish date on it. It was published in May.

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Who is Sisa Su? Where can I find more information? I am wanting to build a new computer and I will wait a while if I can get more lanes and the 3gen Threadripper. Otherwise, I think I am going to do a i9900 build.

Thanks,
Kirk

 

[Markfw]

How about here: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/a...940.558078650.1571149330-869535041.1547673179

And Lisa Su is the CEO of AMD You need to visit the CPU forum more often And that article was last month, way more current than May, and by a more reputable source.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Nov 19th for Threadripper.