Wanted: 2008 President willing to tackle historic fiscal disaster

BaliBabyDoc

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Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill did let loose with a great noisemaking screed in 2004 in the form of journalist Ron Suskind's book "The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill," but hasn't been heard from since.

All of which makes Douglas Holtz-Eakin a wonderful breath of fresh air. He wasn't any kind of big cheese in the Bush White House - just chief economist of the Council of Economic Advisers - but followed that up with three years as director of the Congressional Budget Office.
Basically the article notes that despite multiple economic teams, only O'Neill and Holtz-Eakin have been willing to acknowledge the obvious . . . Bushies can't count or they don't give a crap.

"There is no rational linkage between what's coming in and what's going out," he said, describing the current fiscal-policy mindset in both the White House and Congress. "There's an adherence to tax cuts and an adherence to increased spending. It just doesn't add up."
No way! This guy must be a total moron! He's claiming that tax cuts and increased spending have produced HUGE deficits. I've never heard such heresy.

Part of the problem in today's Washington, Holtz-Eakin said, "is that the staffs at the White House and in Congress are chiefly campaign staffs."

Independent, straight-talking analysis is no longer valued, and even a lot of the people like him who come to Washington from academia (he'd been a professor at Syracuse) "have gotten sucked into this perpetual campaign mentality ... The culture has shifted to the way you say it rather than what you say."
Hmm, does that mean the chief campaign consultant can shift to chief policy advisor and then back to campaign consultant with ease? I'm sure it's no problem when all your ideas are about how to spin.

Despite some high hopes early on from Holtz-Eakin and other Republican economists that Bush would rein in future entitlement spending, it is looking like the current president's chief budgetary legacy will be deficits as far as the eye can see.
Don't forget the diaster in Iraq, divisive social policy, assaults on the Constitution, disregard for the law, violation of human rights . . .

nstead, he said, "we ran deficits because of the administration's take on things, which was ad hoc and very short term." First there was the 2000 campaign promise to cut taxes, then an economic slowdown, then Sept. 11. And in general there was a tendency to put budgetary policy well down on the priority list.

One obviously higher priority has been the military: "There is no readiness to discuss the Pentagon's budget in the administration," Holtz-Eakin said. "The military has received gloriously preferential treatment from the word go."
No way! Donald Rumsfeld and Cheney run this country?! Lies! Lies!

So there you have it, from an authorative source: The President and Congress didn't mean to run such a profligate fiscal policy. They just didn't really care.
So a question for the vocal minority clinging to the Bush Regime . . . are you willing to admit that Bush and his junta have told a lot of LIES? I'm not talking about campaign promises. I'm saying the Bush Regime has nearly 6 years of saying one thing and doing another . . . except for tax cuts, of course.

 

Engineer

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*shakes head*

Fiscal irresponsibility that has no bounds. Saddening really. Going to have to inflate the economy by printing more money and therefore dwarfing the small amounts that we owe today (compared to the dumbing down of the dollar via inflation of printing more money).
 

conehead433

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Actually we could have a national lottery with a huge grand prize and use all the proceeds specifically to trim the national debt. Additionally we could legalize pot and tax it significantly for the same purpose.
 

conehead433

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And yes I have plenty of other good ideas about everything from immigration to the war in Iraq, but sorry, I'm not running for office.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
We should start a national charity dedicated to paying off the national debt.





lol

As a GenXer . . . I just don't find that very humorous.


Well there already is a such thing. All you have to do is send extra to the IRS and tell them you want it to go to debt repayment. It should be no big surprised this fund does not receive alot of donations.
 

LcarsSystem

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We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.
 

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Originally posted by: conehead433
Actually we could have a national lottery with a huge grand prize and use all the proceeds specifically to trim the national debt. Additionally we could legalize pot and tax it significantly for the same purpose.

It would have to be some lottery. The debt is currently calculated at like $25,000 per person! Damn, now I don't feel so bad about carrying a balance on my credit card! :Q

Besides, the lottery is generally a regressive tax on those who are dumb enough to not understand probability.



 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
We should start a national charity dedicated to paying off the national debt.





lol

We have. We're selling the country bit by bit to foriegn powers. Ok more of an international charity....

 

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All of this spending is so that when the democrat gets elected, that person will

1) have to raise taxes
2) be unable to do what democrats do: set money aside to help the poor and needy.

and that will = pissed off public that => elects another republican! Perfect. This is why the republican congress has knowingly allowed the country to be in this state.


Oh and I've read that the debt was closer to $30,000. Google for debt watch to find realtime updates of how much each family/person owes.
 

LcarsSystem

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.

Why do you say that, having a national langugae would save tons of money, I was just putting forth an idea to save the country some cash. Where is the joke in this?
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.

Why do you say that, having a national langugae would save tons of money, I was just putting forth an idea to save the country some cash. Where is the joke in this?

Because it's roughly equivalent to attempting to pay off your $20,000 credit card debt by looking for loose change under the sofa. We WASTE a huge amount of money in this country, and it's NOT because a small percentage of people in this country don't speak English.
 

LcarsSystem

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.

Why do you say that, having a national langugae would save tons of money, I was just putting forth an idea to save the country some cash. Where is the joke in this?

Because it's roughly equivalent to attempting to pay off your $20,000 credit card debt by looking for loose change under the sofa. We WASTE a huge amount of money in this country, and it's NOT because a small percentage of people in this country don't speak English.

I totally agree with what you said.

By no way did I mean that it would fix other problems, or come close to fixing the problem we have now, but every little bit helps and that would be a positive change imo no matter how small a difference it would make.
 

techs

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The solution is simple.
The surpluses as far as the eye can see were true.
It would not take a lot to get us back in the black.
Repeal the tax cuts, enforce trade laws and restore PAGO and its done.
That simple.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: techs
The solution is simple.
The surpluses as far as the eye can see were true.
It would not take a lot to get us back in the black.
Repeal the tax cuts, enforce trade laws and restore PAGO and its done.
That simple.


Cutting medicare and medicaid just doesn't equate in your mind does it?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.

Why do you think he is kidding?

I was at Wally World today and there is practically nothing left in the entire store in English.

Everything in spanish only, the signs, the video monitors, the employees talking in spanish.

There is no English.

Those perfectly OK with this raise your hand.
 

LcarsSystem

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.

Why do you think he is kidding?

I was at Wally World today and there is practically nothing left in the entire store in English.

Everything in spanish only, the signs, the video monitors, the employees talking in spanish.

There is no English.

Those perfectly OK with this raise your hand.

I am not ok with it. The only reason I mentioned this is because translating everything and offering services for things of this nature take up a ton of money. Now in the grand scheme of things I realize that may not be much, but every little bit helps, and it would be a positive change for America. That was my initial point I was trying to get across, but then I get called an 8 year old for no apparent reason.
 

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
We should start a national charity dedicated to paying off the national debt.





lol

As a GenXer . . . I just don't find that very humorous.


No one should have to pay a debt of the government when we pay taxes. When we start paying more, they will start spending more.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.

Why do you think he is kidding?

I was at Wally World today and there is practically nothing left in the entire store in English.

Everything in spanish only, the signs, the video monitors, the employees talking in spanish.

There is no English.

Those perfectly OK with this raise your hand.

Bilingual societies are richer through the talents and culture of their minority partners. While it is quite true that all immigrants (legal or otherwise) should be compelled to learn English, that has almost nothing to do with our current (and future) fiscal morasse.

A national language isn't even a novelty discussion. It's a jingoist distraction from our real problems. Illegal immigration is a problem for a HOST of reasons . . . the fact that most of them speak Spanish is a coincidence.

As a country we need to focus on the issues that really threaten our society . . . not on the spattering of "causes" that appeal to our prejudices.
 

BlancoNino

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.

Why do you think he is kidding?

I was at Wally World today and there is practically nothing left in the entire store in English.

Everything in spanish only, the signs, the video monitors, the employees talking in spanish.

There is no English.

Those perfectly OK with this raise your hand.

Bilingual societies are richer through the talents and culture of their minority partners. While it is quite true that all immigrants (legal or otherwise) should be compelled to learn English, that has almost nothing to do with our current (and future) fiscal morasse.

A national language isn't even a novelty discussion. It's a jingoist distraction from our real problems. Illegal immigration is a problem for a HOST of reasons . . . the fact that most of them speak Spanish is a coincidence.

As a country we need to focus on the issues that really threaten our society . . . not on the spattering of "causes" that appeal to our prejudices.

But you failed to prove his point wrong. Our government spends A LOT of money trying to get through to people who don't speak english because they are here illegally and have no intention of assimilating or learning our country's native language. Look at the specialists we have in public schools trying to help ESL students.

Granted, I believe this is more of a state and local issue.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.

Why do you think he is kidding?

I was at Wally World today and there is practically nothing left in the entire store in English.

Everything in spanish only, the signs, the video monitors, the employees talking in spanish.

There is no English.

Those perfectly OK with this raise your hand.

Bilingual societies are richer through the talents and culture of their minority partners. While it is quite true that all immigrants (legal or otherwise) should be compelled to learn English, that has almost nothing to do with our current (and future) fiscal morasse.

A national language isn't even a novelty discussion. It's a jingoist distraction from our real problems. Illegal immigration is a problem for a HOST of reasons . . . the fact that most of them speak Spanish is a coincidence.

As a country we need to focus on the issues that really threaten our society . . . not on the spattering of "causes" that appeal to our prejudices.

But you failed to prove his point wrong. Our government spends A LOT of money trying to get through to people who don't speak english because they are here illegally and have no intention of assimilating or learning our country's native language. Look at the specialists we have in public schools trying to help ESL students.

Granted, I believe this is more of a state and local issue.

The federal government spends NO NET funds on Spanish language issues b/c a variety of factors allow the federal government to collect more than it spends on Spanish language issues.

The only thing you got right is that state and local governments spend a lot on language issues particularly in the schools via ESL.

But the kicker is that almost every state in the union is running a surplus while the feds are running a deficit. Clearly, the problem isn't Spanish.
 

LcarsSystem

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: LcarsSystem
We could also push to make America a national language country. This would save money on a whole range of things, such as telephone operators, paper, and translators.

I hope you are kidding. If not . . . you better be 8 years old.

Why do you think he is kidding?

I was at Wally World today and there is practically nothing left in the entire store in English.

Everything in spanish only, the signs, the video monitors, the employees talking in spanish.

There is no English.

Those perfectly OK with this raise your hand.

Bilingual societies are richer through the talents and culture of their minority partners. While it is quite true that all immigrants (legal or otherwise) should be compelled to learn English, that has almost nothing to do with our current (and future) fiscal morasse.

A national language isn't even a novelty discussion. It's a jingoist distraction from our real problems. Illegal immigration is a problem for a HOST of reasons . . . the fact that most of them speak Spanish is a coincidence.

As a country we need to focus on the issues that really threaten our society . . . not on the spattering of "causes" that appeal to our prejudices.


I have no prejudices, infact, I have many spanish, oriental, and mid-eastern friends. They all agree that a national language is prudent and even though it might not make a significant impact in the budget, it is still a positive leap forward for America. No one is trying to take away their language or culture, but it would help a lot if they bothered to learn english when they decide to come here, legally or not.