Want to tie down Win98se drivers early

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Kiwi
Start any more trouble and you'll be reported for it.

Because he pointed out that running any sort of modern system using Win98se is pointless and brain-dead?

Btw, if you don't like XP, W2K is a lot more like Win98se in "feel", I think you would be right at home. Unless you run a lot of old DOS games still.

Better yet, multi-boot both/all of them. That's what I do. I can't say the last time that I actually booted my Win9x partition though.

 

[mrphones]

Originally posted by: Kiwi
For budgetary reasons, even when I'm at the most enthusiastic level I allow myself to reach, I have to trail two years behind the PC geek technology leading edge, to get the depreciated prices on stuff. I'm looking ahead a few months to my first A64, and seeing a problem coming already. Unless or until my Cable TV + phone supplier comes up with a better bundle than they offer now, or I jump away from there to another supplier's better overall bundle, I have DIAL-UP for internet access (Yucchh, true).

BUT another side of that same coin, I don't NEED WinXP for the internet, and in tests on my gear, Win98se is FASTER overall at the stuff you find on the net. It's also far less of a target for malware. So, I wanted to choose an A64 board that still included Win98 among the drivers. According to their web site a month or two back, DFI did just that, and no one else was doing so publicly. But I've just acquired the MB, and went ahead and bought it as an OEM. Oops! DFI dropped the primary Windows 98 driver, the nVidia "System" driver (and nVidia hasn't offered NF4/Win98 on its web site, at any time since I started thinking about what comes next when the prices come down far enough . . )

AFAIK, that particular driver was on DFI's site last summer, maybe even into September. I'd like to track it down somewhere, and offer a swap of some kind, or postage costs plus a little, if someone has the DFI CD for the Ultra D from when it included all of the Win98 bits, and will burn me a copy. Is this a possibility?

Was I seeing a ghost/hallucinating in September?


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Yes you are confused Kiwi, really confused.....

Originally posted by: Kiwi

Originally posted by: Link19
There are no Windows 98 drivers for the NForce 4. Windows 98/ME are POS operating systems. Why would anyone want to use such a POS OS on such a fast system is beyond me?? Use Windows 2000/XP or Linux for such a fast system. Don't even consider using POS Windows 98/ME for running modern software on modern hardware!!!

My reasons are mine. Your opinion is just another excuse of an excretory orifice, and not sought, nor appreciated.

Start any more trouble and you'll be reported for it.

Did your parents teach you to talk like that????

 

[Wolfshanze]

Win98se also does have issues with CPUs faster than 2Ghz, and more than 512MB of RAM, which is almost a necessity these days to play modern games.

Hmmm... that's funny... look at my sig-line. I have a 3GHz system (P4-Prescott) with 1GB of memory and a dual-boot setup (WinME/WinXP). I run WinME (Win9X kernal) all the time, never have any problems at all.

I've never heard-of nor experienced any problems running the Win9X kernal on my 3.0GHz system (or my 2.4GHz system before this one). As for running more then 512MB of memory (such as my 1GB system), it's WELL DOCUMENTED that it takes about five-seconds in Notepad to correct the bug with a simple fix to your startup sequence.

I have a relatively modern system... I run WinME and WinXP. I choose to play some old games that simply don't work on WinXP no-matter what you do, so I require the Win9X kernal. Differant people have differant reasons to do differant things then you. Oh, as for viruses and what-not, I go on the internet with both WinME and WinXP... I have a hardware firewall, current anti-virus and anti-spyware software... I don't have security issues running ME.

Why do people get their panties in a bunch if they find out somebody else isn't doing things the same way they are?!? What right does anybody have to tell somebody else what they should and shouldn't do with their computers if they have reasons for what they do? Should I come over to your house and smash your PS1 because you're not using a PS2?

Sheesh people, get a life... if the OP wants to use Win9X for whatever damn reason he wants, let him. Why do you all feel compelled to bash him simply for a choice in OS? If you want to bash him for etiquite on "reporting people", that's a differant matter, but don't bash someone simply because they want to use a differant OS then you.

P.S. I better not find anyone who has an old Nintendo system floating around, or you're all in big trouble for being hypocrites! There's nothing wrong with using retro-stuff. (Now where's my copy of DOS 6.2... maybe I'll install that on my 3.0GHz system!)

 

[mrphones]

Originally posted by: Wolfshanze

Win98se also does have issues with CPUs faster than 2Ghz, and more than 512MB of RAM, which is almost a necessity these days to play modern games.

Hmmm... that's funny... look at my sig-line. I have a 3GHz system (P4-Prescott) with 1GB of memory and a dual-boot setup (WinME/WinXP). I run WinME (Win9X kernal) all the time, never have any problems at all.

I've never heard-of nor experienced any problems running the Win9X kernal on my 3.0GHz system (or my 2.4GHz system before this one). As for running more then 512MB of memory (such as my 1GB system), it's WELL DOCUMENTED that it takes about five-seconds in Notepad to correct the bug with a simple fix to your startup sequence.

I have a relatively modern system... I run WinME and WinXP. I choose to play some old games that simply don't work on WinXP no-matter what you do, so I require the Win9X kernal. Differant people have differant reasons to do differant things then you. Oh, as for viruses and what-not, I go on the internet with both WinME and WinXP... I have a hardware firewall, current anti-virus and anti-spyware software... I don't have security issues running ME.

Why do people get their panties in a bunch if they find out somebody else isn't doing things the same way they are?!? What right does anybody have to tell somebody else what they should and shouldn't do with their computers if they have reasons for what they do? Should I come over to your house and smash your PS1 because you're not using a PS2?

Sheesh people, get a life... if the OP wants to use Win9X for whatever damn reason he wants, let him. Why do you all feel compelled to bash him simply for a choice in OS? If you want to bash him for etiquite on "reporting people", that's a differant matter, but don't bash someone simply because they want to use a differant OS then you.

P.S. I better not find anyone who has an old Nintendo system floating around, or you're all in big trouble for being hypocrites! There's nothing wrong with using retro-stuff. (Now where's my copy of DOS 6.2... maybe I'll install that on my 3.0GHz system!)

Oh the days of running DOS...lol..

I just think it's funny that someone would want a new AMD system to run 98 on....That's just crazy... I can't see anything retro with that, it's just a waste of money....

 

[Wolfshanze]

Oh the days of running DOS...lol..

I hope I can setup enough extended memory in my autoexec.bat file for my 1GB of memory so I can run Tetris!

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
well, I use wine on linux to run windows 98 games (like moo2, and baulders gate stuff).

Just head on over to winehq and check out the instructions. There are windows binarys in the download. Just follow the documentation and give it a try. If works great on linux, I dont see why it wouldn't work great on windows.

Dont wanna sound like a poop-head, but MOO2 and Baldurs Gate run just fine for me on WinXP.
What kind of hardware are you running?

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: sourceninja
well, I use wine on linux to run windows 98 games (like moo2, and baulders gate stuff).

Just head on over to winehq and check out the instructions. There are windows binarys in the download. Just follow the documentation and give it a try. If works great on linux, I dont see why it wouldn't work great on windows.

Dont wanna sound like a poop-head, but MOO2 and Baldurs Gate run just fine for me on WinXP.
What kind of hardware are you running?

Sorry, but you failed at not sounding like a poop-head 😉 jk. Maybe you didn't notice, but this guy was giving his account of how he uses wine on Linux, not Windows XP. 😛

 

[redbeard1]

Originally posted by: Wolfshanze
Why do people get their panties in a bunch if they find out somebody else isn't doing things the same way they are?!? What right does anybody have to tell somebody else what they should and shouldn't do with their computers if they have reasons for what they do? Should I come over to your house and smash your PS1 because you're not using a PS2?

Sheesh people, get a life... if the OP wants to use Win9X for whatever damn reason he wants, let him. Why do you all feel compelled to bash him simply for a choice in OS? If you want to bash him for etiquite on "reporting people", that's a different matter, but don't bash someone simply because they want to use a differant OS then you.

P.S. I better not find anyone who has an old Nintendo system floating around, or you're all in big trouble for being hypocrites! There's nothing wrong with using retro-stuff. (Now where's my copy of DOS 6.2... maybe I'll install that on my 3.0GHz system!)

Being that this was posted in a forum that is geared toward helping people and not Off Topic, where you can rant and put down people all you want, why should anyone have to put up with the "Use XP or else Nazi's"? It is unfortunate that old OS bashing is so popular around here.

To paraphrase "If you don't have something helpful to say, then don't say anything."

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: Wolfshanze
P.S. I better not find anyone who has an old Nintendo system floating around, or you're all in big trouble for being hypocrites! There's nothing wrong with using retro-stuff. (Now where's my copy of DOS 6.2... maybe I'll install that on my 3.0GHz system!)

A more relevant analogy would be trying to play space invaders on an XBox360.

Kickass hardware, but completely outdated software.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: cubby1223
If you want to keep using Win98SE, get a KT400 or nForce2 board & a ~1.4GHz athlon xp or t-bird.

Better yet, a Pentium III Tualatin CPU, running on a 440BX mobo. Perfect Win98se rig. I really wouldn't suggest running it with a KT400, I've had loads of issues with mine in Win9x, worst being USB issues and freezes.

Win98se also does have issues with CPUs faster than 2Ghz, and more than 512MB of RAM, which is almost a necessity these days to play modern games.

Hmm yeah, a 1.13(?) GHz Tualatin on say an Abit BE6-2 with 512 MB of PC-133 🙂 Maybe find a GF 256 DDR to go with it too.

 

[andatche]

Maybe you should learn to spell kernel. 🙂

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
98 is just as prone as XP is to getting infected by spyware. Your logic is flawed.

and its much harder to clean. XP Home is <$100. Load SP2 and you'll be in good shape.

 

[imported_goku]

You guys are so immature. So what if windows 98 is a POS operating system compared to XP, answer his DAMNED QUESTION. Nobody cares how much more reliable it is, he finds 98SE perfect for his needs, he clearly doesn't care to upgrade to XP so PISS OFF if your not going to help him. I see where your coming from KIWI, I personally don't want to pay for XP either so the only legal copies of the OS I have are on computers I've purchased (prebuilt) but otherwise my main are corporate ed. of XP with my dad's serial #.
So to answer your question, I'm not sure if they have Windows 98 for an AMD 64 system, but I do know for a fact that they DO have windows 98 drivers for my board, which is an ABIT IC7-G which is a circa late 2003/2004 board. So your best bet it to likely look for a board that was released in that era which would probably have to be an Nforce 3?

Update: Yes, infact they DO have drivers for Nforce 3 as Nforce 4 does not have any OFFICIAL DRIVERS that I know of. You may be able to find some 3rd party drivers for Nforce 4 for Win9X based computers. (Just in case you didn't know, Nforce 3 is AMD 64 754/939)...

Oh and BTW, if you plan to use 98 for webbrowsing, you will still get spyware/malware if you use IE that is bundled with it, be sure to use Firefox or opera or Mozilla..

Fraud is simply not tolerated here. Two weeks off.

AnandTech Moderator

 

[Link19]

Being that this was posted in a forum that is geared toward helping people and not Off Topic, where you can rant and put down people all you want, why should anyone have to put up with the "Use XP or else Nazi's"? It is unfortunate that old OS bashing is so popular around here.

To paraphrase "If you don't have something helpful to say, then don't say anything."

What bothyers me, is its these blind 98SE obsessers and lovers who have actually forced the hardwrae and software makers to continue and support them for way too long. It is only recently that hardware makers have stopped supporting them. Windows 9X was a horrible OS compared to other 32-bit opertaing systems even back in its time. The only reason it dominated the market is because of Microosft's anti-competitive practices that gave other opertaing systems no chance. WIndows 9X should have died a long time ago. Windows 2000/XP are completely different than WIndows 98/ME. Developers having to write software and drivers for two completely different operating system cores has probably hurt performance and stability the last 5 years. The core 32-bit Operating systems of Windows NT/2000/XP/2003, OS/2, Linux, BSD, and Solaris are all quality 32-bit operating systems that easily blow Windows 95/98/ME out of the water.

Windows 98/ME should have died as soon as Windows XP was released when it came tyo the support of high end games/applications, and high end hardware. But they didn't. That is what bothers a lot of people hoping for the most performance and stability and its because of these blind and ignorant Windows 98SE obsessers and lovers that they were supported for way too long, despite them being so inferior which forced manufacturers to support two completely different OS cores, when one core was intended to completely replace the other.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Link19

Being that this was posted in a forum that is geared toward helping people and not Off Topic, where you can rant and put down people all you want, why should anyone have to put up with the "Use XP or else Nazi's"? It is unfortunate that old OS bashing is so popular around here.

To paraphrase "If you don't have something helpful to say, then don't say anything."

What bothyers me, is its these blind 98SE obsessers and lovers who have actually forced the hardwrae and software makers to continue and support them for way too long. It is only recently that hardware makers have stopped supporting them. Windows 9X was a horrible OS compared to other 32-bit opertaing systems even back in its time. The only reason it dominated the market is because of Microosft's anti-competitive practices that gave other opertaing systems no chance. WIndows 9X should have died a long time ago. Windows 2000/XP are completely different than WIndows 98/ME. Developers having to write software and drivers for two completely different operating system cores has probably hurt performance and stability the last 5 years. The core 32-bit Operating systems of Windows NT/2000/XP/2003, OS/2, Linux, BSD, and Solaris are all quality 32-bit operating systems that easily blow Windows 95/98/ME out of the water.

Windows 98/ME should have died as soon as Windows XP was released when it came tyo the support of high end games/applications, and high end hardware. But they didn't. That is what bothers a lot of people hoping for the most performance and stability and its because of these blind and ignorant Windows 98SE obsessers and lovers that they were supported for way too long, despite them being so inferior which forced manufacturers to support two completely different OS cores, when one core was intended to completely replace the other.

Aww, your coming along nicely 😉 (or put nicer, amen)

 

[SonicIce]

lack of win9x nforce4 drivers is the only thing stopping you 🙁. win98 worked flawlessly on my nforce3 and 2800+ and 1gb ram and voodoo3. it is perfectly stable, guys. stop saying things like its too old because it works fine.

 

[Link19]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
lack of win9x nforce4 drivers is the only thing stopping you 🙁. win98 worked flawlessly on my nforce3 and 2800+ and 1gb ram and voodoo3. it is perfectly stable, guys. stop saying things like its too old because it works fine.

But it shouldn't be supported by anything in the modern era of IT. It ought to be a Windows 2000/XP/2003 and above only world by now when it comes to the MS OS world.

Heck, it should have been a Windows 2K/XP only world at least 3.5 years ago when it comes to the MS OS world.

 

[imported_Kiwi]

Originally posted by: goku
You guys are so immature. So what if windows 98 is a POS operating system compared to XP, answer his DAMNED QUESTION. Nobody cares how much more reliable it is, he finds 98SE perfect for his needs, he clearly doesn't care to upgrade to XP so PISS OFF if your not going to help him. I see where your coming from KIWI, I personally don't want to pay for XP either so the only legal copies of the OS I have are on computers I've purchased (prebuilt) but otherwise my main are corporate ed. of XP with my dad's serial #.
So to answer your question, I'm not sure if they have Windows 98 for an AMD 64 system, but I do know for a fact that they DO have windows 98 drivers for my board, which is an ABIT IC7-G which is a circa late 2003/2004 board. So your best bet it to likely look for a board that was released in that era which would probably have to be an Nforce 3?
Oh and BTW, if you plan to use 98 for webbrowsing, you will still get spyware/malware if you use IE that is bundled with it, be sure to use Firefox or opera or Mozilla.. [/b]

My copies of XP went back on the shelf approximately 60 days after the original installs, in 2002. I was seriously unhappy with it, and reverted to W2K on the PC's that needed to have an NT version on them. My computing budget is minimal, but my uses for more than one PC are numerous, so at the time, my newest PC was admittedly not super, being "only" an XP 2100 in a Via KT266 MB, with "only" 512 MB's of RAM, and I still had a T-Bird and a PII Slot1 PC running at the time. I had WinXP Pro on the XP2100, and WinXP Home on the T-Bird 1.33 machine.

In order to keep costs manageable, I've not used branded systems since 1988 or so, when I had to get an Employee's Credit Union loan to buy a DeskPro 386 PC. I was assembling my own from then until finding a very reasonable White Box shop locally when I bought the first of my Athlon powered PC's. The Internet was either a mere pup then, or perhaps it was even before the WWW really built its popularity -- Windows for Workgroups was my OS, not Win95 yet (the graphical web predated Win95, but I don't recall using Mosaic in WfWG -- I think I first was on the Inet with Win95 and Mosaic, in 1996, on an irregular basis, mostly from the community college I was a part time computer instructor on).

This by way of revealing my feet are at least partly stuck back in the DOS era, so pretty bells and whistles aren't my cup of tea. My retirement was abrupt, to say the least, and pass over the hardest part of that adjustment, and the building it myself option is how my last two upgrades (and several new builds for friends/ relatives) came about, leading to some research two years ago when having difficulty with one brought me into this place.

I've installed new copies of XP on my son's PC, and another, for a close buddy, when I couldn't sell them on Win2K. I just don't use it myself at present. Probably, I will try to afford a straight up test box that I have nothing personal on, and burn an Nlite CD version of BLOAT WINDOWS Pro on it with as much of the crapola peeled out as possible, and leave it on there to run in parallel with the main systems, so I become more familiar with those parts NOT already included in W2K and considered worth including by a majority.

Meanwhile, I do my net surfing on Dial-up, with Mozilla and with Thunderbird, running in Windows98se. I don't have an A64 cpu in my possession yet, but I do have a DFI Ultra D motherboard, intended for a build this spring, when I retire the XP 2100 PC I still have (and in fact is the primary eMail and forum messaging system). I hope to set the new one up in much the same way as that one ("this one") is, Dual booted between Win98 and W2K.


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