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Want to tie down Win98se drivers early

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imported_Kiwi

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For budgetary reasons, even when I'm at the most enthusiastic level I allow myself to reach, I have to trail two years behind the PC geek technology leading edge, to get the depreciated prices on stuff. I'm looking ahead a few months to my first A64, and seeing a problem coming already. Unless or until my Cable TV + phone supplier comes up with a better bundle than they offer now, or I jump away from there to another supplier's better overall bundle, I have DIAL-UP for internet access (Yucchh, true).

BUT another side of that same coin, I don't NEED WinXP for the internet, and in tests on my gear, Win98se is FASTER overall at the stuff you find on the net. It's also far less of a target for malware. So, I wanted to choose an A64 board that still included Win98 among the drivers. According to their web site a month or two back, DFI did just that, and no one else was doing so publicly. But I've just acquired the MB, and went ahead and bought it as an OEM. Oops! DFI dropped the primary Windows 98 driver, the nVidia "System" driver (and nVidia hasn't offered NF4/Win98 on its web site, at any time since I started thinking about what comes next when the prices come down far enough . . )

AFAIK, that particular driver was on DFI's site last summer, maybe even into September. I'd like to track it down somewhere, and offer a swap of some kind, or postage costs plus a little, if someone has the DFI CD for the Ultra D from when it included all of the Win98 bits, and will burn me a copy. Is this a possibility?

Was I seeing a ghost/hallucinating in September?


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There are no Windows 98 drivers for the NForce 4. Windows 98/ME are POS operating systems. Why would anyone want to use such a POS OS on such a fast system is beyond me?? Use Windows 2000/XP or Linux for such a fast system. Don't even consider using POS Windows 98/ME for running modern software on modern hardware!!!
 
Win98 has problems running on the newer fast processors, remember this was an OS designed to run on even 100MHz cpus. A few years ago I tried putting it on a 2.4GHz P4, and it would have none of it.

If you want to keep using Win98SE, get a KT400 or nForce2 board & a ~1.4GHz athlon xp or t-bird.
 
Originally posted by: Link19
There are no Windows 98 drivers for the NForce 4. Windows 98/ME are POS operating systems. Why would anyone want to use such a POS OS on such a fast system is beyond me?? Use Windows 2000/XP or Linux for such a fast system. Don't even consider using POS Windows 98/ME for running modern software on modern hardware!!!
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My reasons are mine. Your opinion is just another excuse of an excretory orifice, and not sought, nor appreciated.

Start any more trouble and you'll be reported for it.



 
Originally posted by: Kiwi
BUT another side of that same coin, I don't NEED WinXP for the internet, and in tests on my gear, Win98se is FASTER overall at the stuff you find on the net. It's also far less of a target for malware. So, I wanted to choose an A64 board that still included Win98 among the drivers. According to their web site a month or two back, DFI did just that, and no one else was doing so publicly. But I've just acquired the MB, and went ahead and bought it as an OEM. Oops! DFI dropped the primary Windows 98 driver, the nVidia "System" driver (and nVidia hasn't offered NF4/Win98 on its web site, at any time since I started thinking about what comes next when the prices come down far enough . . )
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Your logic doesn't make any sense. You don't NEED Windows XP to access the internet, but you don't NEED an A64 to do that either. If you just want a basic internet / email box, why are you upgrading your hardware?
 
as long as people still run 98, I'll still have toys to play with on the interweb.

Do you really think that being 'faster' will be noticable on a freak machine of that size? Maybe you should put a type-r sticker on the case too. How can a small percentage of speed even compare to things like stablity, ntfs, security, and active development of drivers and system patches. Your basically saying you want to use an old stagnent OS that there will be no development on. A OS that almost no one with modern hardware will use. Why would any company waste time developing for a known dead platform? I would think their money would be better spent on linux drivers then windows 98 drivers. Your talking a soon to be FOUR generations out of development OS. A very primitive buggy peice of junk with a poor file sytem to boot.

But you have your reasons (your too cheap to pay the MS tax and not technical enough to use linux?)
 
Kiwi, you're SoL on getting Win98 to run on that hardware. It just ain't going to happen.

As for the "gentlemen" who like to throw insults at his choice of OS, you guys have no class. Just because he doesn't want to use your OS of choice is no reason to insult what he chooses to do for his own reasons.

Back on topic, the Win9X kernal has gone the way of the dodo on current MBs and CPUs. You just won't find driver support for these newer MBs. I'm not 100% sure on when Athlon MBs dropped support for Win9X, but on the Intel side of the bridge, the i865 MBs (using socket 478) were the LAST to support Win9X.

I'm an old-school gamer who likes to play games that will ONLY run on Win9X, but I do still play modern games as well, so I settled on my current setup (in my sig-line)... I have a 3.0GHz system on an i865MB with a DUAL-BOOT setup... I can boot to either WinME for old-school or WinXP for more current projects.

Sorry Kiwi, but with the current hardware you have, you won't be able to use Win9X. There are no drivers for it. The most "modern" computer you can get that will still support Win9X are the i865MBs (with a few simple BIOS adjustments). Not sure what the last AMD MB was to support Win9X, but I know your current one will not.

You're either going to have to get used to WinXP, or you'll need to find a differant sorta-current MB like an i865 (or AMD equivelant) that will still run Win9X. Good luck.
 
Originally posted by: Wolfshanze
Kiwi, you're SoL on getting Win98 to run on that hardware. It just ain't going to happen.

As for the "gentlemen" who like to throw insults at his choice of OS, you guys have no class. Just because he doesn't want to use your OS of choice is no reason to insult what he chooses to do for his own reasons.

Back on topic, the Win9X kernal has gone the way of the dodo on current MBs and CPUs. You just won't find driver support for these newer MBs. I'm not 100% sure on when Athlon MBs dropped support for Win9X, but on the Intel side of the bridge, the i865 MBs (using socket 478) were the LAST to support Win9X.

I'm an old-school gamer who likes to play games that will ONLY run on Win9X, but I do still play modern games as well, so I settled on my current setup (in my sig-line)... I have a 3.0GHz system on an i865MB with a DUAL-BOOT setup... I can boot to either WinME for old-school or WinXP for more current projects.

Sorry Kiwi, but with the current hardware you have, you won't be able to use Win9X. There are no drivers for it. The most "modern" computer you can get that will still support Win9X are the i865MBs (with a few simple BIOS adjustments). Not sure what the last AMD MB was to support Win9X, but I know your current one will not.

You're either going to have to get used to WinXP, or you'll need to find a differant sorta-current MB like an i865 (or AMD equivelant) that will still run Win9X. Good luck.
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Why not just save the space and partitions and just run your 98 only games in xp comptabiltiy mode. Or if that doesn't work (cause it doesn't always work) install wine for windows (www.winehq.org) and run it inside there?
 
Why not just save the space and partitions and just run your 98 only games in xp comptabiltiy mode. Or if that doesn't work (cause it doesn't always work) install wine for windows (www.winehq.org) and run it inside there?
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Because WinXP compatability mode does NOT work with several of the programs I heavily use... Compatability mode is not an option.

Never used Wine, but I have used VirtualPC... while VirtualPC worked "okay" to run Win9X programs in WinXP, it still just wasn't as good as using a dedicated WinMe partition on my system.

Can you use Wine in WinXP to run Win9X games? Does anybody do this? How's that work?
 
well, I use wine on linux to run windows 98 games (like moo2, and baulders gate stuff).

Just head on over to winehq and check out the instructions. There are windows binarys in the download. Just follow the documentation and give it a try. If works great on linux, I dont see why it wouldn't work great on windows.
 
Originally posted by: Kiwi
Originally posted by: Link19
There are no Windows 98 drivers for the NForce 4. Windows 98/ME are POS operating systems. Why would anyone want to use such a POS OS on such a fast system is beyond me?? Use Windows 2000/XP or Linux for such a fast system. Don't even consider using POS Windows 98/ME for running modern software on modern hardware!!!
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My reasons are mine. Your opinion is just another excuse of an excretory orifice, and not sought, nor appreciated.

Start any more trouble and you'll be reported for it.
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LOLOLOL
 
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Kiwi
Originally posted by: Link19
There are no Windows 98 drivers for the NForce 4. Windows 98/ME are POS operating systems. Why would anyone want to use such a POS OS on such a fast system is beyond me?? Use Windows 2000/XP or Linux for such a fast system. Don't even consider using POS Windows 98/ME for running modern software on modern hardware!!!
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My reasons are mine. Your opinion is just another excuse of an excretory orifice, and not sought, nor appreciated.

Start any more trouble and you'll be reported for it.
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LOLOLOL
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:laugh:
 
keep your old gear for win98. like other people have said, its not going to work.

i dont understand why you think it would be faster than xp on new hardware either.
 
Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
keep your old gear for win98. like other people have said, its not going to work.

i dont understand why you think it would be faster than xp on new hardware either.
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Exactly!! 🙂 🙂 Windows 2000/XP are light years ahead of POS Windows 98/ME in just about everyway shape and form on just a halfway decent PC.

Windows 98/ME aren't even real 32-bit operating systems. They are 16-bit operating systems with 32-bit extensions. I thought we left 16-bit computing long ago, especially on relatively modern hardware (last 4 years).
 
Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
keep your old gear for win98. like other people have said, its not going to work.

i dont understand why you think it would be faster than xp on new hardware either.
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Agreed. 98 sh!ts itself on anything more than 512Mb RAM without some fiddling anyway. Worthless piece of junk that it is.

 
Originally posted by: Kiwi
Originally posted by: Link19
There are no Windows 98 drivers for the NForce 4. Windows 98/ME are POS operating systems. Why would anyone want to use such a POS OS on such a fast system is beyond me?? Use Windows 2000/XP or Linux for such a fast system. Don't even consider using POS Windows 98/ME for running modern software on modern hardware!!!
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My reasons are mine. Your opinion is just another excuse of an excretory orifice, and not sought, nor appreciated.

Start any more trouble and you'll be reported for it.
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Reported for what?

He is correct, at this day and age, there is NO REASON that should be using 98/ME on any current hardware setups..



 
Windows XP can be made to look exactly like Windows 98 on the surface, and with the themes disabled, it will be faster than 98 as well. The only reason to keep 98 is to run programs that won't work in XP, and for that, an old system will work perfectly well.

BTW, a little bit of logic would lead one to the conclusion that drivers are not being developed for hardware of any recent vintage for Windows 98 for some reason: perhaps because there is no demand for said drivers. One may then ponder reasons why there would be no demand: again, perhaps because the eight year old OS is simply incapable of handling the demands of modern hardware and software.

In summary, Windows XP plus Classic mode - learn to love it.
 
Originally posted by: cubby1223
If you want to keep using Win98SE, get a KT400 or nForce2 board & a ~1.4GHz athlon xp or t-bird.
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Better yet, a Pentium III Tualatin CPU, running on a 440BX mobo. Perfect Win98se rig. I really wouldn't suggest running it with a KT400, I've had loads of issues with mine in Win9x, worst being USB issues and freezes.

Win98se also does have issues with CPUs faster than 2Ghz, and more than 512MB of RAM, which is almost a necessity these days to play modern games.
 
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