Want to sell my Ryzen 1700 and get a 8700k. Is it stupid or greedy?

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moonbogg

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The chipset doesn't influence the CPUs that the board can support. It's the socket pinout and BIOS/firmware.

If the 8 core CPU is called Coffee Lake and works in 300-series boards, then I find it astonishingly unlikely that it wouldn't work in a Z370 board (which is a 300-series board).

I mean, anything is possible, but that'd be a pretty awful move on Intel's part.

If that were the case then Z270 (which just came out) should support 6 core chips. As if Intel didn't know they had 6 core chips coming??? Yeah right, they knew and they chose to not ensure compatibility. They are pissed off and bitter that they were forced to give us a 6 core chip under $500 so now they will punish us with relentless motherboard releases for each new chip design. My opinion of course.
 
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If that were the case then Z270 (which just came out) should support 6 core chips. As if Intel didn't know they had 6 core chips coming??? Yeah right, they knew and they chose to not ensure compatibility. They are pissed off and bitter that they were forced to give us a 6 core chip under $500 so now they will punish us with relentless motherboard releases for each new chip design. My opinion of course.

We'll just have to see. I hope Intel does the right thing and allows 8 core Coffee Lake CPUs to work in Z370 boards.
 

coercitiv

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If that were the case then Z270 (which just came out) should support 6 core chips. As if Intel didn't know they had 6 core chips coming???
It may also have been a problem of backwards compatibility too.

If the socket power delivery changes do indeed break backwards compatibility then Intel chose the best separation possible, otherwise we would have had Z170 / Z270 / 370 supporting SKL, KBL, CFL 2c, 4c, 6c but not CFL 8C, and the rest of the 300 series supporting CFL 8C and some other new chips other than the current CFL lineup. It would have been an even bigger mess.

Ofc that depends on how the current pinout truly affects backwards compatibility, need someone with professional experience on this one though.
 

LTC8K6

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If that were the case then Z270 (which just came out) should support 6 core chips. As if Intel didn't know they had 6 core chips coming??? Yeah right, they knew and they chose to not ensure compatibility. They are pissed off and bitter that they were forced to give us a 6 core chip under $500 so now they will punish us with relentless motherboard releases for each new chip design. My opinion of course.
7800X is a 6 core chip under $400
6800K was under $450
5820K was under $400
3930K was under $600 back in 2011
 

DrMrLordX

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The chipset doesn't influence the CPUs that the board can support. It's the socket pinout and BIOS/firmware.

They already had to change the socket pinouts on Z270 to make Z370 possible. It wasn't a completely arbitrary move on Intel's part to render Z270 obsolete. Depending on the power needs of 8c/16t Coffeelake, we may see the same thing again.
 

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If that were the case
Umm, 200 series boards were meant for KBL and support all KBL CPUs. The same with older series chipsets, as far as I know.

By that pattern, a 300 series board should at least support all CFL CPUs, current and future. So expecting 8 core CFL support for Z370 is not a radical thought.

Saying all that, I would not really be surprised if intel broke this pattern too. I really hope they added enough power pins to support 8 cores.
 

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I personally think it's silly to sell a Ryzen system for an 8700k. 8700k will be in short supply until December from what I've been reading. AMD is dropping Pinnacle Ridge in Feb. 12nm LP
+ improvements to the Zen architecture. Part of the reason why AMD has so much value is because they don't force a motherboard change every time the wind changes directions like Intel.
 

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They are pissed off and bitter that they were forced to give us a 6 core chip under $500 so now they will punish us with relentless motherboard releases for each new chip design. My opinion of course.

Someone seems pissed off & bitter, but I promise it's not intel.. :rolleyes:

Can't you just accept the fact that the power delivery needed to change for their new cpu's?
 
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Someone seems pissed off & bitter, but I promise it's not intel.. :rolleyes:

Can't you just accept the fact that the power delivery needed to change for their new cpu's?

Moonbogg needs (and I say this in good humor, Moonie :p) the custom title of "The Hyperbolic". Mods, can we make this happen? :D
 
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moonbogg

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Moonbogg needs (and I say this in good humor, Moonie :p) the custom title of "The Hyperbolic". Mods, can we make this happen? :D

I admit to this. I like this about myself. This makes things exciting and interesting, but its not on purpose. Its my passion, baby. Can't help it.
But sadly, in this case, I am exactly on point (as usual actually). Intel screwed us for nearly a decade and they screwed Z270 owners and Z370 owners as well. Even if 8 cores are supported, in a few short months the proper Z390 board will be out with Z370 being the half measured stop gap solution.

Someone seems pissed off & bitter, but I promise it's not intel.. :rolleyes:

Can't you just accept the fact that the power delivery needed to change for their new cpu's?

Yes, it needed to change, but this cannot be accepted because they could have easily avoided it but chose not to. Intel knew they had a 6 core coming. Everyone sais how these chips don't get released over night. It takes time and lots of it. They knew 8700K was coming right on the heels of Z270 and they could have accounted for it, but chose not to. I won't accept that as being good and fair to the customer, especially the enthusiast, and no one else should either.

Also, realize I don't have a Z270 board. So you may wonder why I should care. I care because it affects my PC enthusiast and gaming comrades who already spent their money on Z270. An attack on one of us is an attack on all, and Z270 owners just took a hefty kick in the neck.
 
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Burpo

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That's bizarre. There's no attack on anyone & nobody "screwed us for nearly a decade" :rolleyes:

I admit to this. I like this about myself. This makes things exciting and interesting, but its not on purpose. Its my passion, baby. Can't help it.

I am exactly on point (as usual actually).

" I care because it affects my... comrades"

Are you Donald Trump?
Never mind.. I won't waste any more time on this.
 
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Justinbaileyman

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That's bizarre. There's no attack on anyone & nobody "screwed us for nearly a decade" :rolleyes:



Are you Donald Trump?
Never mind.. I won't waste any more time on this.
Hahahahaha :) LOL . no but really I can totally see where he is coming from. So when they drop pinnacle ridge on us in Feb Or March its just gonna be a drop in upgrade for those who have X370 Am4 motherboards? or are they gonna do an intel here and make us all upgrade to X470?
 

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We'll just have to see. I hope Intel does the right thing and allows 8 core Coffee Lake CPUs to work in Z370 boards.

They might, but 6 cores might remain the sweet spot for those who game and do rendering tasks.

A 5GHz OC is much less likely at 8 cores due to the extra heat and power.

The cache may need to be reorganized to be more like HEDT chip cache, and it will end performing more like a HEDT chip on games.

Coffee Lake is exactly what many hoped for. A 6 core that sacrificed essentially nothing while adding two extra cores, I would NOT expect the same when adding another two cores.
 
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They might, but 6 cores might remain the sweet spot for those who game and do rendering tasks.

A 5GHz OC is much less likely at 8 cores due to the extra heat and power.

The cache may need to be reorganized to be more like HEDT chip cache, and it will end performing more like a HEDT chip on games.

Coffee Lake is exactly what many hoped for. A 6 core that sacrificed essentially nothing while adding two extra cores, I would NOT expect the same when adding another two cores.
How does the 6900k and the 6950x fit into your cache analysis. No cache restructuring/reorganization there? Or?
 

LTC8K6

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They might, but 6 cores might remain the sweet spot for those who game and do rendering tasks.

A 5GHz OC is much less likely at 8 cores due to the extra heat and power.

The cache may need to be reorganized to be more like HEDT chip cache, and it will end performing more like a HEDT chip on games.

Coffee Lake is exactly what many hoped for. A 6 core that sacrificed essentially nothing while adding two extra cores, I would NOT expect the same when adding another two cores.
What if we die-shrink it to 10nm+? :D
 
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Rifter

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Sounds like you picked the wrong CPU to begin with, If its not working for you at 3.7 even if you got a 4.1 chip it wouldn't make enough of a difference to notice. Its your money man if you think you made a mistake by all means buy a 8700.

Ryzen has never been the best gaming chip, it is however the best multi use chip as far a price/perf goes.
 

Topweasel

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Sounds like you picked the wrong CPU to begin with, If its not working for you at 3.7 even if you got a 4.1 chip it wouldn't make enough of a difference to notice. Its your money man if you think you made a mistake by all means buy a 8700.

Ryzen has never been the best gaming chip, it is however the best multi use chip as far a price/perf goes.

This is something I have been telling people for a long time a couple even 500mhz on the same CPU means so little these days that by the time you have problems using the slower option the faster option isn't going to do any better.
 

Justinbaileyman

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I'm starting to have second thoughts now big time. Sounds like Z370 and 8700k is only going to be a one trick pony. I am not into that. I was under the understanding that there was going to be a possible drop in upgrade for 8c/16t on the Z360.
If thats not the case for sure then I think its time to cancel the whole Z370 idea and give Ryzen another shot. Cause as Im hearing it right now sounds like AMD Pinnacle is going to be a drop in for X370 and thats what Im looking for is an upgrade path for the future not some one trick pony where I have to buy a new fricken motherboard every 6-9 months.
so do R7 1700 run cooler then R7 1800x and which is less likely to have the Linux Bug?I had an 1800x at stock and it ran hot as hell and had the linux bug so I was cursed with a double wammy..
 

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AMD will keep AM4 for like another 2-3 years. Its how they do. Its why I am content with my 1700 at 4GHz right now. It'll work fine until AMD releases their 5GHz 8 core CPU's.
 
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Topweasel

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I'm starting to have second thoughts now big time. Sounds like Z370 and 8700k is only going to be a one trick pony. I am not into that. I was under the understanding that there was going to be a possible drop in upgrade for 8c/16t on the Z360.
If thats not the case for sure then I think its time to cancel the whole Z370 idea and give Ryzen another shot. Cause as Im hearing it right now sounds like AMD Pinnacle is going to be a drop in for X370 and thats what Im looking for is an upgrade path for the future not some one trick pony where I have to buy a new fricken motherboard every 6-9 months.
so do R7 1700 run cooler then R7 1800x and which is less likely to have the Linux Bug?I had an 1800x at stock and it ran hot as hell and had the linux bug so I was cursed with a double wammy..

Yeah it's a one trick. I don't know enough about the 8c chip but it's unlikely that cannon lake will be supported. Honestly if you are looking for upgradability Intel's consumer platforms are the worst. Even best case scenario you get a single compatible upgrade and as history has shown its usually not worth it to swap out CPU's at that point.