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Want to know why we needed Vista to replace XP?

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MplsBob

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All of the existing versions of Windows, excluding Vista, were designed with no thought at all to security. As a result Microsoft has been running around in sheer panic terrified that the hackers would get ahead of their ability to issue patches. These versions of Windows were just plain unsalvageable because of the design decisions that went into their consturction. So a whole new operating system, from the ground up, was needed.

Vista has tons and tons of stuff in it to prevent hacking or make it a lot more difficult. It is not impervious, but it has a whole lot of high level brain power poured in to tighten it up.

Are we going to continue to see Microsoft patches? Sure we are, but hopefully the underlying software is a lot more secure.

I would expect it to be shaky at first, then it will settle down and work just fine.
 
Security is gonna be interesting, for sure.

Vista has a lot of 'virgin' kernel code. Particularly the new network stack.
 
tbh, MS has really added a security focus to many newere products. Example? IIS5 on 2kServer versus IIS6 on 2k3....

I may not like all the stuff they do, but they are trying to shift focus, lets give them credit for at least starting to move that way.
 
After playing with Vista for a week. I can tell you the improved security is very apparent.
Nothing gets run or installed without you knowing about it.

 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Security is gonna be interesting, for sure.

Vista has a lot of 'virgin' kernel code. Particularly the new network stack.
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The fact that there is a lot of fresh code is irrelevant. This is the first OS that was developed entirely in the Secure Development Lifecycle.

I believe IIS6 was the first product to be developed using SDL. It has a lot of new code compared to previous versions, and yet it is the most secure web server MS has ever created, with only 3 or 4 vulnerabilites to date. And I believe only one of those actually affects the 'core' of IIS itself.
 
Why do we need anything new? Why do we have new model cars every year? It keeps the economic engine running - that's the main reason. One alternative would be to lay off thousands of people.
 
Hopefully Vista won't need many security patches and the OS will be secure for years without haivng to apply very many patches. Do you think that is veyr likely and possible? Or will there still be lots of securioty patches like there are for even Windows XP SP2?
 
Other than the security aspects---computer tecnology has changed a bit in six years---and Vista adds support for various things like pciture viewing and such---but every six years or so,
which seems the current upgrade cycle time---microsoft comes up with a total new OS---and has another chance to rip us ALL off to the tune of $100.00 or so---but now windows gets even greedier---and the price will be 50-150% higher . Somewhere in all the fast shuffle we lose sight of the fact that IF ITS MICROSOFTS SCREWUP---ITS MICROSOFTS RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX IT FREE OF CHARGE.

The other downside of such a model for consumers is----microsoft has a dis-incentive to EVER get things right---because then they lose the ability to fix a small number of problems some years down the road and charge the users big bucks for something they should have gotten right years ago.

Also lost in the shuffle is more efficent code execution---and each new OS becomes more of a resource hog---in an attempt to be all things to all people.
 
Hopefully Vista won't need many security patches and the OS will be secure for years without haivng to apply very many patches. Do you think that is veyr likely and possible? Or will there still be lots of securioty patches like there are for even Windows XP SP2?
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There will always be patches and there will probably a huge influx of them in the beginning because of all of the rewrites. New code is untested code and despite all of the QA that MS does you can never try all available permutations of things like input.

microsoft comes up with a total new OS---and has another chance to rip us ALL off to the tune of $100.00 or so---but now windows gets even greedier---and the price will be 50-150% higher .
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So $150 is too much for an OS but $500 is reasonable for a video card?

Somewhere in all the fast shuffle we lose sight of the fact that IF ITS MICROSOFTS SCREWUP---ITS MICROSOFTS RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX IT FREE OF CHARGE.
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They do, that's what all of those patches and updates are there for.

The other downside of such a model for consumers is----microsoft has a dis-incentive to EVER get things right---because then they lose the ability to fix a small number of problems some years down the road and charge the users big bucks for something they should have gotten right years ago.
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Not at all, MS releases fixes for all of their problems in a semi-reasonable amount of time at absolutely no cost.

Also lost in the shuffle is more efficent code execution---and each new OS becomes more of a resource hog---in an attempt to be all things to all people.
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Think you an do bettrer? I'd love to see you try.
 
Originally posted by: stash
The fact that there is a lot of fresh code is irrelevant. This is the first OS that was developed entirely in the Secure Development Lifecycle.
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Don't be so pompous. If you knew anything about security, you'd realize that virgin code which hasn't been out in the wild and tested for vulnerabilities by the masses is a can of worms compared to code which has been for several years.

I believe IIS6 was the first product to be developed using SDL. It has a lot of new code compared to previous versions, and yet it is the most secure web server MS has ever created, with only 3 or 4 vulnerabilites to date. And I believe only one of those actually affects the 'core' of IIS itself.
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You are comparing IIS to an entire operating system? 😕

 
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