Want to have VW Polo available in USA?

The Dancing Peacock

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I like the look of it, but with a 3 cyl or an 85 hp 4 cyl, it wouldn't fly in the US. They would need a bigger engine or mod its current one, which would probably bring it close to the Golf's price level. As much as I like hatches, I don't see this one coming here. If they were to leave it so underpowered, it would be Geo metro-esque, which I don't think is the image that VW tries to portray here.
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: The Dancing Peacock
I like the look of it, but with a 3 cyl or an 85 hp 4 cyl, it wouldn't fly in the US.

Propably the ones that would be sold in USA would be equipped with bigger engine. Same thing has happened with the other models as well.

I myself am considering to buy the new Polo with the 100bhp 1.4 liter engine :). But my main choice is VW Golf with 1.6 liter engine (not a performance monster but good for everyday driving)

 

iamwiz82

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that is smaller than the Golf, i just checked on the web. There is no use for that in America.

BTW, i just checked Ford's UK website, and the Ford Focus is a mid sized car over there! :Q
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
that is smaller than the Golf, i just checked on the web. There is no use for that in America.

BTW, i just checked Ford's UK website, and the Ford Focus is a mid sized car over there! :Q

Yep. Do you REALLY need a bigger car? You can fit 5 adults in a Focus, with space for luggage. Why do you need huge cars just to drive around? Considering that most of the time you are alone in you car, what's the point in having a huge car? There isn't really. The new Polo is big enough for most of the things people do with their cars (I wonder how long it will take for the first "Yeah but I haul these big-ass things regularly with my car!").

Personally I don't understand why americans need a 2.000kg car with 200+bhp just to haul their 80kg ass around town!

There are even smaller cars than the Polo available there. Cars like Ford Ka (ugly as an ass) or VW Lupo (looks pretty good for a small car).
 

Migroo

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
BTW, i just checked Ford's UK website, and the Ford Focus is a mid sized car over there! :Q

And you find that strange... how? :p

Nemesis said all I need to. Oh yeah and common engine sizes are 1.2 and 1.4 litre. 2.0 litre engines are pretty big for over here.
 

iamwiz82

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i dont car how many safety devices they put in a car that weighs less than 2000lbs, i will never consider it safe. In America we dont have small lanes, hell, most lanes could fit 2 of those Polos!
 

Pliablemoose

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I like the Polo, but US sales would be miserable, too small to dice with the big boys on the interstate. the other problem small cars have is that they have virtually the same # of parts as a large car, thus the cost doesn't go down as size decreases, because manufacturing costs are almost identical. Car prices have been independent of the cost of the material (sheet metal, aluminum, glass etc) for a long time.

If you really have a death wish, import a gray market Lupo.
 

Migroo

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
In America we dont have small lanes, hell, most lanes could fit 2 of those Polos!

Fair enough :) But understand that we DO have small lanes, so dont be surprised if we drive small cars.

 

The Dancing Peacock

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Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
that is smaller than the Golf, i just checked on the web. There is no use for that in America.

BTW, i just checked Ford's UK website, and the Ford Focus is a mid sized car over there! :Q

Yep. Do you REALLY need a bigger car? You can fit 5 adults in a Focus, with space for luggage. Why do you need huge cars just to drive around? Considering that most of the time you are alone in you car, what's the point in having a huge car? There isn't really. The new Polo is big enough for most of the things people do with their cars (I wonder how long it will take for the first "Yeah but I haul these big-ass things regularly with my car!").

Personally I don't understand why americans need a 2.000kg car with 200+bhp just to haul their 80kg ass around town!

There are even smaller cars than the Polo available there. Cars like Ford Ka (ugly as an ass) or VW Lupo (looks pretty good for a small car).


I'm not trying to flame you, it's just I know you're not from the US. Americans are all about bigger=better. Personally, I wouldn't want to drive anything smaller than a Golf/Civic sized car with the Ford Excursion and other gigantic SUV's on the road, and even with a golf/civic hatch, they get dwarfed.

Plus, Americans are a bunch of fatasses :) No way you get 5 "average" Americans in a Focus comfortably with luggage.

The points you make are logical, and would apply to me and alot of people perfectly. I don't need anything bigger than a Golf or the Polo really. It's just that other people dont see it that way, plus the sizes of our roads dont necessitate having small cars, like many citiies in Europe do. Focuses, Golfs, civics are smaill cars. Accords, Camrys, Altimas are mid-size sedans. (Camry is a tank-ass car, it looks fat)

People say "we can drive big gigantic cars, so I'm going to, and no one is going to stop me, even if I have no use for it's size."

 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i dont car how many safety devices they put in a car that weighs less than 2000lbs, i will never consider it safe. In America we dont have small lanes, hell, most lanes could fit 2 of those Polos!

they did a crash-test here few years ago. They crashed S-class merc with Opel Corsa (same class as the Polo. Back then cars of that class were considerably smaller with less safety-equipment than they have today). The results: passengers of the Corsa would have survived the crash. And the new Polo doesn't weight under 2000lbs, to my knowledge, it's slightly above 2000lbs
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: The Dancing Peacock
I'm not trying to flame you, it's just I know you're not from the US. Americans are all about bigger=better. Personally, I wouldn't want to drive anything smaller than a Golf/Civic sized car with the Ford Excursion and other gigantic SUV's on the road, and even with a golf/civic hatch, they get dwarfed.

Plus, Americans are a bunch of fatasses :) No way you get 5 "average" Americans in a Focus comfortably with luggage.

The points you make are logical, and would apply to me and alot of people perfectly. I don't need anything bigger than a Golf or the Polo really. It's just that other people dont see it that way, plus the sizes of our roads dont necessitate having small cars. Focuses, Golfs, civics are smaill cars. Accords, Camrys, Altimas are mid-size sedans. (Camry is a tank-ass car, it looks fat)

People say "we can drive big gigantic cars, so I'm going to, and no one is going to stop me, even if I have no use for it's size."

Fair enough :)
 

Migroo

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Originally posted by: Nemesis77
they did a crash-test here few years ago. They crashed S-class merc with Opel Corsa (same class as the Polo. Back then cars of that class were considerably smaller with less safety-equipment than they have today). The results: passengers of the Corsa would have survived the crash. And the new Polo doesn't weight under 2000lbs, to my knowledge, it's slightly above 2000lbs

Nemesis you should add that the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa, whilst being in the same size class, is definately overshadowed by any VW product in terms of quality :) I would assume that the Polo is far safer than the Corsa.
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: Migroo
Originally posted by: Nemesis77
they did a crash-test here few years ago. They crashed S-class merc with Opel Corsa (same class as the Polo. Back then cars of that class were considerably smaller with less safety-equipment than they have today). The results: passengers of the Corsa would have survived the crash. And the new Polo doesn't weight under 2000lbs, to my knowledge, it's slightly above 2000lbs

Nemesis you should add that the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa, whilst being in the same size class, is definately overshadowed by any VW product in terms of quality :) I would assume that the Polo is far safer than the Corsa.

That's certainly true. And it was few years ago, back then small cars were rather unsafe when compared to small cars we have today. The small cars we have today are safe, safer than big cars from few years ago.

And I think that just about all car-manufacturers overshadow Opel, not just VW ;).
 

iamwiz82

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are the crash tests the same overseas as in America? I'm sure a Golf would be fine in a crash with another car, but what about a huge Excursion? I know for a fact that the Excursion is so big that they had to install skidplate-type shields in the front so when an Excursion hits a car, it does roll right over it.
 

Nemesis77

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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
are the crash tests the same overseas as in America? I'm sure a Golf would be fine in a crash with another car, but what about a huge Excursion?

Like I said, Opel Corsa survived a partial (more demanding that full collision) head-on collision with S-class Merc. Both cars were driving at 50km/h if I remember correctly. And back then cars were significantly less safe than the cars we have today.

As to the logic of Bigger cars = safer.... That might be true when hitting a smaller car with bigger car. But if all people started thinking like that, they would be buying bigger and bigger cars. In the end you wouldn't be hitting small subcompacts with you huge SUV, but another huge SUV. The safety-advantage of a big car would me neutralized.

As to the crash-tests: Euro NCAP
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
are the crash tests the same overseas as in America? I'm sure a Golf would be fine in a crash with another car, but what about a huge Excursion?

Like I said, Opel Corsa survived a partial (more demanding that full collision) head-on collision with S-class Merc. Both cars were driving at 50km/h if I remember correctly. And back then cars were significantly less safe than the cars we have today.

As to the logic of Bigger cars = safer.... That might be true when hitting a smaller car with bigger car. But if all people started thinking like that, they would be buying bigger and bigger cars. In the end you wouldn't be hitting small subcompacts with you huge SUV, but another huge SUV. The safety-advantage of a big car would me neutralized.

try telling that to America :)
 

Migroo

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Thats true Nemesis77 :)

iamwiz - heres some info you may be interested in--

BMW 5 Series - scored 74% here
VW Lupo - scored 76% here

The new Polo is newer than the Lupo, and therefore its probably safe to assume that the Polo has improved safety.
 

yakko

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Not only would I like to have a Polo I also want a Lupo. A Lupo diesel would be great for when I travel to visit my sister. Nothing like 70 mpg when taking long trips.
 

hoihtah

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wow... under 100 hp cars.
that's like driving around in a motorcycle engine. :)

if this thing is fun to drive... then sign me up!