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my prof who was chair of the electrical and computer engineering department at my univ told us that, of all the millionaires who came from our department, the lower their GPA, the higher their worth was.

 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: yoda291
I don't think the church is what is helping these children. I think it's an indication that they have parents who take a more active role in their children's upbringing and they are exposed a moral environment. the fact that said environment is a church is circumstantial IMO . I think the same could be achieved in suburban town in the black and white 40s television town where manners and etiquette were popular.

"The study, commissioned by the Center for Research on Religion and Urban Civil Society, relied on data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health to examine the relationship between religion and academics in nearly 10,000 students. Regnerus and Elder found that the poorer the neighborhood, the more church attendance helped kids to improve academically. The findings held true even after controlling for obvious influences like a student's relationship with parents."

I can play with boldface too.
 
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Not biased in the least... 😛

Anyways, straight-A student here, and I never attended church except for weddings and funerals.
 
first of all, your topic is wrong. it should be: want better grades and are piss ass poor? go to church. or just try anywhere else too that doesn't involve crime.

second, it's so very suprising that some religious based webpage/magazine(?) is printing this from a religious based study.
 
Originally posted by: rubix
first of all, your topic is wrong. it should be: want better grades and are piss ass poor? go to church. or just try anywhere else too that doesn't involve crime.

second, it's so very suprising that some religious based webpage/magazine(?) is printing this from a religious based study.

I don't think the study said that church attendence didn't help students in affluent areas it just helped poor students more.
 
It does not stretch credulity to think that people in a church make better students. There is social support and faith in a very interesting and loving dude. Obvious the mental health factor is going to be better than people who believe only in themselves given that they have been told they are worthless since the day they arrived. A corollary will doubtless be real bitchiness toward the information and whoever suggests it. When you feel worthless you sorta hate anybody who doesn't or is taking steps that way.
 
blahblah.. typical ATOT thread.

Anyway, most of you blow it off.. but I believe that it's true. It's not the religion that necessarily does it, it's the support structure that comes with being involved in something like church.

You would find the same results if the study was done on youth groups or mentorship programs instead of churches.
 
Honestly...some people need motivation and religion just happens to a form of motivation. Whether you like it or not, it IS true. (Agnostic here) 🙂

*Reads his own post: Yes, it's true just because I said it is. This thread doesn't deserve a reason from me. (unless you use the magic word)

blahblah.. typical ATOT thread.

Anyway, most of you blow it off.. but I believe that it's true. It's not the religion that necessarily does it, it's the support structure that comes with being involved in something like church.

You would find the same results if the study was done on youth groups or mentorship programs instead of churches.
 
Originally posted by: Placer14
Honestly...some people need motivation and religion just happens to a form of motivation. Whether you like it or not, it IS true. (Agnostic here) 🙂

*Reads his own post: Yes, it's true just because I said it is. This thread doesn't deserve a reason from me. (unless you use the magic word)

blahblah.. typical ATOT thread.

Anyway, most of you blow it off.. but I believe that it's true. It's not the religion that necessarily does it, it's the support structure that comes with being involved in something like church.

You would find the same results if the study was done on youth groups or mentorship programs instead of churches.

yep..

whatever works man... 🙂

me = agnostic..

have them believe what they want to believe...if it works...it works...my bro's an avid church goer.....he uses that as his motivation.....it works for him...great...i have my own motivational rituals...(yeah killing kttens 😛) .....after he started to become an avid church goer...during HS, he became team captain of the varisity wrestling team...got 4.0 unweighted GPA...class vp....1500 on SAT's....eventually becoming valedictorian.....goes to northwestern university w/ scholarship on their 7 year med program as a bioengineering major...doesn't even have to take mcats.....

how's he doing in chicago so far?....4.0 in college.....goes to a black community church (he's korean...he attends 2 churches, one korean, one is african-american) .....does gospel choir...tutors little kids in that community w/o pay........northwestern crew team (they get up @ 4am in the morning...practice...everyday..shiet wtf man..).....

donno man...i'm not religious at all....and he is..don't care what he uses for motivation....i'm still proud of him ..

neways...just that some people here show no respect to what others believe in......what, u care for them THAT much that u want them not to believe what they think is right?...it's totally none of ur business man...be content w/ what u got 🙂 ...and whatever works...that's fine w/ me...
 
I think it definitely has to do with community involvement... parental involvement.... and development of some sort of "moral code" (and note: morals do not necessarily equal religion). So in that respect, I'm willing to bet that the children who attend church perform better in school on average. Big surprise--they're active in their community, they learn social and personal skills, not to mention that they probably spend a BIT of time thinking outside of school. And that's not including that their parents are PROBABLY more active in their children's lives (i'm not sure how you "control group" that in an experiment--sociology is weird).

And NONE of this is bringing up that its demonstratable that kids with personalities that appeal to adults tend to do better in schools. And that kids with social skills tend to have better emotional health than kids who don't.

And with low-income families, you have lots of other issues, as well. Parents not concerned with their child's education, their morals, etc etc etc. Regular church attendance probably ensures that the parents CARE about their child's moral code--which can ALSO have a lot to do with success in school.
 
theres also a correlation between ramen consumtion and higher grades. eat that ramen. eat it!!


noodle king from sun shun fuk is the best ramen ever🙂 find it at ranch 99.


on another news flash. people who work out also tend to have healthier diets.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Uhmm, "bible squeezer". Come up with that one yourself? Glad to see your good grades aren't going to waste.

Yeah, unfortunately, some people feel the need to blast people who partake in organized religion. Its their desire, my friend.... and I personally envy their blind faith. I do not partake in organized religion (I have too many issues with its problems--which are mostly secular).... but I do attempt to educate myself better... and I've always had a strict moral code by which I abide.

I think most people who hold themselves to a certain "standard" of behavior are usually successful in ventures that reward motivation and/or altruism. Of course, this doesn't necessarily lend itself well to the business world.... depending on the business, of course.
 
oh please... the only reason anyone gets bad grades is LAZINESS and unwilling to learn.

If anyone really wanted to they can get an A 😛
 
Bah - I don't need that crap.
The effort it took you to highlight, right click, select copy, open new IE window, browse to somewhere else, left click, Paste, then post, is TRULY one of the more inspiring things that have happened to me in the last five minutes or so.
yeah, way too long..i read roughly...7-10 words in it...all of which have been forgotten already..ha ha.

RELIGION IS FOR PANSIES!

wow, that felt great to say!
Now why do people post crap like this? I've never understood why someone not liking the content of a thread topic, will post up to 3 times, adding nothing to the discussion, not even acknowledging the given subject. Is it to boost your post count? Does demeaning anything that has to do with God, Church or Jesus Christ make you feel better? Hmm.. let me try: ALL ATHIESTS ARE FAGOTS. No, that doesn't make me feel any better. Maybe I just need practice, like posting it in every evolution, religion thread that comes up, like some other people do.


To the topic at hand: I don't think this should come as a suprise really. Moonbean made some points, it's not the fact that they go to church that boosts their grades, it's the fact that they have greater moral support, a motivation to succeed and people that care about them in general that improves their self-image and it's scholastic achievement that demonstrates it here.
 
Yes, it did help me. I went to Catholic schools for 8 years and had nothing but respect for the preists and nuns.


My kindergarden year was spent in public school. It was the pits. I went back to public school for high school. I guess the only thing I really missed out on was more social interaction as it wasnt as populated. Thankfully the neer-do-wells were kept away.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It does not stretch credulity to think that people in a church make better students. There is social support and faith in a very interesting and loving dude. Obvious the mental health factor is going to be better than people who believe only in themselves given that they have been told they are worthless since the day they arrived. A corollary will doubtless be real bitchiness toward the information and whoever suggests it. When you feel worthless you sorta hate anybody who doesn't or is taking steps that way.

:QHoly crap I agree with something Moonbeam said! Joking aside though, he's totally right. Church teaches you that you that you are worth something and that your life has meaning. It also teaches you not to worry about stuff. It gives kids a positive outlook on life. If you're going around feeling happy and secure, of course you are going to be more apt to do well in school.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: MichaelD
The effort it took you to highlight, right click, select copy, open new IE window, browse to somewhere else, left click, Paste, then post, is TRULY one of the more inspiring things that have happened to me in the last five minutes or so.

I am to please.

but not to spell. back to catholic school for you.
 
i wonder if there is a correlation between satan worshippers and better grades, I wonder if i go to church all my problems will disappear and i will live a happy life, I wonder if i go to church will i become braindead like the other christians i meet that refuse to think with the brain that god supposedly has blessed them with, i wonder.

Tim
 
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