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frozentundra123456

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Wonder what the clockspeed is and the tdp. I can't imagine you could overclock this far enough to beat a haswell quad or ivy E except for extremely multi-threaded workloads.
 
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Lifer
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Sounds cool, but no way I'd spend that much on something I might fry with a bad OC.
 
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Homeles

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Well, I would hope that they'd have the insurance available for that thing.
 
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I'd love to see this happen (although I'm definitely not a fan of the 12C Xeon pricing), although it also kind of sucks this is going all out for 12 when they could give us an unlocked 8 core chip that should have a far better chance of achieving the clockrates we're used to yet still give a substantial boost in cores/threads
 
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Ajay

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Intel17 said:
Looks like Francois from Intel is trying to gauge interest in an unlocked, 12-core Xeon (IVB-EP) for Enthusiasts. To express interest, apparently you need to re-tweet his post on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/FPiednoel/status/396656918975889408/photo/1
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Interested, yeah. I read on the F@H forums where a guy with dual 12 core IVB-EPs was getting something like ~700,000 PPD from just one system :eek: In that case I'll take 10 :awe: With 12 cores they are not going overclock anywhere near as high as IVB-E - so definitely not for gamers. Seriously though, why not just allow overclockable dual socket high end enthusiast boards like the old EVGA SR2. I imagine most of the sales were to dedicated DC folk. Then they'd get 12 cores at > 4 GHz!

Reality, unless I win some money playing the lottery, this is a pipe-dream.
 
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bunnyfubbles said:
I'd love to see this happen (although I'm definitely not a fan of the 12C Xeon pricing), although it also kind of sucks this is going all out for 12 when they could give us an unlocked 8 core chip that should have a far better chance of achieving the clockrates we're used to yet still give a substantial boost in cores/threads
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At least you'll see those next year. It is disappointing though.

It's also disappointing that AMD doesn't have a competing solution. I'm convinced that Steamroller will move AMD's multithreaded performance forward significantly, but it's frustrating to see that there aren't any public road maps suggesting that we'll see a multithreaded monster out of them. AFDS 2013 is in a couple of weeks, and I suppose if we don't get an announcement then, we can count AMD out for good from the market.

Looking towards the Intel side of things, I'm wondering how the performance-per-watt focus of Haswell will extend to servers, if at all.
 
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yeah, it definitely is disappointing since we could have had 8 core chips with SB-E, and we waited and waited, hoping we'd at least see it with Ivy-E, but alas, Intel going to string us along even more until Haswell-E...and I can't help but think its because they simply don't need to put out anything better (ie lack of pressure from AMD) and doing it mostly to make Haswell-E look all the better when it debuts.
 
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frozentundra123456

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bunnyfubbles said:
yeah, it definitely is disappointing since we could have had 8 core chips with SB-E, and we waited and waited, hoping we'd at least see it with Ivy-E, but alas, Intel going to string us along even more until Haswell-E...and I can't help but think its because they simply don't need to put out anything better (ie lack of pressure from AMD) and doing it mostly to make Haswell-E look all the better when it debuts.
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Tbh, I am even still skeptical about haswell E. I could see the eight core being 1000.00 to replace ivy EE, with only the six core replacing 4930 at the 500-600 price point. I also wonder how the clocks will be considering how hot haswell runs. I don't know how attractive 8 cores at 1000.00 will be except for very limited uses. What I would rather see actually is a more reasonably priced six core in the 400.00 range.
 
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I can most certainly find a use for a 12C 4.0+ GHz processor. I want. Sadly, I'd have to sell a lung and a couple kidneys to afford the processor, let alone the entire system.
 
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frozentundra123456

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Homeles said:
I think that would cut too much into the sales of their 4770Ks.
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You are probably right, and I am sure that is intel's reasoning as well. OTOH, you could argue that those with sandy or ivy i7s would see a reason to upgrade, while now they have none.
 
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What on earth even makes much use of 12 cores? I wouldn't want it unless a good amount of software and games can use all 12.
 
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Really depends on the price. If they want to price like the 4960X? Sure thing, let's do it. Otherwise.................

Just leave it as part of the XEON line IMHO. I mean, i'm all for more cores but software really hasn't caught up to that aspect quite yet except for specific types of software. Given that nearly everyone on this forum instantly thinks "gaming" performance, i'd say the 12 cores would largely not be beneficial in that context - highly threaded applications are very beneficial but gaming is not its strength. Certain types of productivity and scientific software? Sure. But like I said everyone around here tends to think "GAMES" and nothing but (which I think is pretty dumb, but nonetheless...). With that being the case i'd say people would be receptive depending on the price. In other words, match existing 4960 prices with a 12 core, let's do it. ;) But most enthusiasts won't be receptive for 2000$.
 
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HeXen said:
What on earth even makes much use of 12 cores? I wouldn't want it unless a good amount of software and games can use all 12.
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You don't buy this for gaming.

A hypothetical unlocked 12 core would be a "prosumer" product, which would be best fit for people that use their desktop as a workstation. You'd use this for things like compiling, rendering, and video editing. This would also be great for running a virtual machine.
 
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Madpacket

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If they don't gimp the VT-D extensions this could be a fun CPU as a XEN VM beast.
 
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Nothingness

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What I want is a CPU with all extensions and multiplier free. And if at the same time Intel can use good paste so that delidding is not mandatory to get some good OC.

This Piednoel survey is stupid. We all need singlethread performance before everything else. Piednoel has been saying so so many times that I wonder what the point is. Oh well, it's not like his twitter makes any sense anyway most of the time :|
 
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From Movieman on Facebook:

After working with a pair of these E5-2697 V2 12 cores for the last 2 weeks I'm at a loss to explain why Intel has limited them to a max of 2900MHz on turbo. I have them at 3226Mhz with a 107.55BCLK and at 100% load 24/7 in a 75F room they never exceed 47C. There is no reason that I can see why these aren't able to be set for a minimum of 3500MHz as at that speed temps should not exceed mid 60's celcius.
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