want a hyperdrive engine?

[Baked]

Originally posted by: sao123
"You cannot change the laws of physics," --The Late Admiral Montgomerie Scott (Scotty)

Good thing some scientists don't follow the rules of dead people, or we'd still be using candles and horse carriages.

 

[FallenHero]

wow

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: Kev
If you create a magnetic field and go into another dimension, how do you know when you return it will be to your dimension? And how do you know that just existing in a dimension where the speed of light is faster wouldn't rip you to shreds?

I'm assuming when they say another dimension, i don't think they mean like another dimension like bizarro world, but accessing another dimension to the 4 dimension (3 spatial and one temporal) we're in now.

Well they say it is a dimension where the laws of physics are completely changed, so I think it would have to be like a bizarro world

Read the article i linked. Here's a snippet:

In Heim's six-dimensional world, the forces of gravity and electromagnetism are coupled together. Even in our familiar four-dimensional world, we can see a link between the two forces through the behaviour of fundamental particles such as the electron. An electron has both mass and charge. When an electron falls under the pull of gravity its moving electric charge creates a magnetic field. And if you use an electromagnetic field to accelerate an electron you move the gravitational field associated with its mass. But in the four dimensions we know, you cannot change the strength of gravity simply by cranking up the electromagnetic field.

...

This force is a result of the interaction of Heim's fifth and sixth dimensions and the extra dimensions that Dröscher introduced. It produces pairs of "gravitophotons", particles that mediate the interconversion of electromagnetic and gravitational energy. Dröscher teamed up with Jochem Häuser, a physicist and professor of computer science at the University of Applied Sciences in Salzgitter, Germany, to turn the theoretical framework into a proposal for an experimental test. The paper they produced, "Guidelines for a space propulsion device based on Heim's quantum theory", is what won the AIAA's award last year.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: destrekor
i hope it works, because that proves that other dimensions exists..

The articles talk about "slip into another dimension", but what does that mean? A parallel universe? An additional axis only obtainable by strong gravitation?

Read the article i linked... it explains it better.

 

[tikwanleap]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: destrekor
i hope it works, because that proves that other dimensions exists..

The articles talk about "slip into another dimension", but what does that mean? A parallel universe? An additional axis only obtainable by strong gravitation?

Read the article i linked... it explains it better.

Your article is much better. The scotsman article is pseudo-science crap... especially this part...

Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension.

Why do people think that having more than four dimensions means the same thing as jumping into an alternate world? That annoys me. :roll:

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I'm still waiting on jump point technology. Instantanous traversing of huuuuuuuuuuge distance. Works like this.
Take a piece of paper. You are in one corner, you want to be on the opposite corner. Current propulsion would travel in a straight line to the other point taking a long ass time.
Now take said piece of paper and bring the to ends together so they are touching. Now, point A and point B are a hair's width apart. It takes you a fraction of a second to move.
The initial Energy expendature is greater, but the energy saved over the time it took to travel in a straight line would more than make up for it.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
I'm still waiting on jump point technology. Instantanous traversing of huuuuuuuuuuge distance. Works like this.
Take a piece of paper. You are in one corner, you want to be on the opposite corner. Current propulsion would travel in a straight line to the other point taking a long ass time.
Now take said piece of paper and bring the to ends together so they are touching. Now, point A and point B are a hair's width apart. It takes you a fraction of a second to move.
The initial Energy expendature is greater, but the energy saved over the time it took to travel in a straight line would more than make up for it.

That's worm hole technology.

 

[Sphexi]

So...they test this new engine here on Earth, and one of two things happen:

1) The intense gravitational field it creates attracts the moon, which crashes into us and kills us all.

or

2) It opens a gateway into a different dimension, which is filled with hellish creatures, and we have to rely on the Rock to save us all. In which case we're screwed.


Either way I'm all for it.

 

[RossMAN]

In another dimension would RossMAN pay retail and shop at Sam's Club instead of CostCo?

 

[Sphexi]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
In another dimension would RossMAN pay retail and shop at Sam's Club instead of CostCo?

Only if that alternate dimension is Hell.

 

[jimbob200521]

i wonder what kind of sheilding would be able to protect us, and what would it be protecting us from. the accelloration? the dimension? and im sure there are things that nobody has even considered yet. the whole thing is too much for me 😕

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
In another dimension would RossMAN pay retail and shop at Sam's Club instead of CostCo?

damn straight he would lol
so dont travel there 😉

Originally posted by: tikwanleap

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: destrekor
i hope it works, because that proves that other dimensions exists..

The articles talk about "slip into another dimension", but what does that mean? A parallel universe? An additional axis only obtainable by strong gravitation?

Read the article i linked... it explains it better.

Your article is much better. The scotsman article is pseudo-science crap... especially this part...

Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension.

Why do people think that having more than four dimensions means the same thing as jumping into an alternate world? That annoys me. :roll:

its not pseudo-science.. its laymans.. there's a difference
try explaining what the third article says to a person who hates science.. the laymans is what you would have to say
and they aren't saying any other worlds, they are just saying that it could jump into another dimension where's the laws of physics are different... an easier way of saying all that scientific mumbo-jumbo
i hadn't seen that third article till looney posted it... which im glad he did.. better insight into it for those who are interested

i cant say much regarding all the science without looking like a jackass who knows nothing, so i won't try...

Originally posted by: jimbob200521
i wonder what kind of sheilding would be able to protect us. and would the accelloration kill us? or the other dimension? and im sure there are things that nobody has even considered yet. the whole thing is too much for me 😕

well, there is no speed we can reach that could ever kill us... its all about how fast the ship would accelerate though... if its gonna get to 1000mph in 3 seconds... hmm that would probably kill us... if it was a steady but realistic speed increase it would be fine
and thats why we wouldn't put humans anywhere near the first test, incase the shield didn't hold up or the engine acted in a way that wasn't predicted.. and the first trip into that other dimension would be done without humans as well, for the same reason...

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: destrekor
the law of physics is more or less still a scientific theory... one that has been proven, but we cannot assume we know the laws of the universe
when we've had the ability to begin making such scientific findings... for i dunno.. 400 years, AT MOST...
if you think about it, if there is another dimension, who's to say that light travels differently in that dimension... i think we may be able to claim we know the laws of the universe for our dimension (the 3rd dimension).. but not the 4th or 5th or however many dimensions there are. i just know the idea of the universe having a bowl shape and time being the 4th dimension and everything behaves differently and etc etc... too much to comprehend

You cannot prove a theory.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: sao123
"You cannot change the laws of physics," --The Late Admiral Montgomerie Scott (Scotty)

well scotty broke the laws of physics by exceeding light speed. what now??😀

There is already evidence of particles/waves moving beyond the speed of light.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: sao123
"You cannot change the laws of physics," --The Late Admiral Montgomerie Scott (Scotty)

well scotty broke the laws of physics by exceeding light speed. what now??😀

There is already evidence of particles/waves moving beyond the speed of light.

there is?

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: destrekor
the law of physics is more or less still a scientific theory... one that has been proven, but we cannot assume we know the laws of the universe
when we've had the ability to begin making such scientific findings... for i dunno.. 400 years, AT MOST...
if you think about it, if there is another dimension, who's to say that light travels differently in that dimension... i think we may be able to claim we know the laws of the universe for our dimension (the 3rd dimension).. but not the 4th or 5th or however many dimensions there are. i just know the idea of the universe having a bowl shape and time being the 4th dimension and everything behaves differently and etc etc... too much to comprehend

You cannot prove a theory.

okay....
scientific theory is different from 'a theory'
gravity? yea, its a scientific theory.. yet as far as we know, its a proven fact..
evolution, is a scientific theory and forever will be one... yet its practically proven and exists

 

[tikwanleap]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: RossMAN
In another dimension would RossMAN pay retail and shop at Sam's Club instead of CostCo?

damn straight he would lol
so dont travel there 😉

Originally posted by: tikwanleap

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: destrekor
i hope it works, because that proves that other dimensions exists..

The articles talk about "slip into another dimension", but what does that mean? A parallel universe? An additional axis only obtainable by strong gravitation?

Read the article i linked... it explains it better.

Your article is much better. The scotsman article is pseudo-science crap... especially this part...

Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension.

Why do people think that having more than four dimensions means the same thing as jumping into an alternate world? That annoys me. :roll:

its not pseudo-science.. its laymans.. there's a difference
try explaining what the third article says to a person who hates science.. the laymans is what you would have to say
and they aren't saying any other worlds, they are just saying that it could jump into another dimension where's the laws of physics are different... an easier way of saying all that scientific mumbo-jumbo
i hadn't seen that third article till looney posted it... which im glad he did.. better insight into it for those who are interested

i cant say much regarding all the science without looking like a jackass who knows nothing, so i won't try...

Originally posted by: jimbob200521
i wonder what kind of sheilding would be able to protect us. and would the accelloration kill us? or the other dimension? and im sure there are things that nobody has even considered yet. the whole thing is too much for me 😕

well, there is no speed we can reach that could ever kill us... its all about how fast the ship would accelerate though... if its gonna get to 1000mph in 3 seconds... hmm that would probably kill us... if it was a steady but realistic speed increase it would be fine
and thats why we wouldn't put humans anywhere near the first test, incase the shield didn't hold up or the engine acted in a way that wasn't predicted.. and the first trip into that other dimension would be done without humans as well, for the same reason...

Ack! That's the exact thing I'm talking about.

There is no jump into another dimension!

Dimension != something to jump into.

Heim's theory is just saying that there are 8 dimensions to describe the laws of physics of the universe instead of just the 4 that Einstein used. That's it.

Which means that there are new forces and interactions being predicted by Heim's set of laws that can be used to create the proposed hyperdrive. The US military is just talking about running an experiment to see if one of the predicted new effects exists. If it does, that that opens the doors to a whole new world of physics!

 

[DanTMWTMP]

could be in the hihgly technical forums, but ah well. i hardly go there anyways hehehe. well, once a week.

anyways, this is super interesting stuff. If it works, just wow, within our lifetimes, we can see some crazy shiet happening :Q

 

[tikwanleap]

More info on Heim Theory and Burkhard Heim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkhard_Heim

 

[neutralizer]

Interesting... possible in 5 years... Hmm this might open up star travel within my lifetime! Awesome 😀