Wandering/lazy eye

[misle]

One of my eyes wanders a bit, especially when I'm tired.

It doesn't affect my vision or focus, but it makes me a bit self-concious, especially when speaking with a person, face to face (lots of eye contact).

Is there anything I can do about it?

 

[Eli]

Unfortunately, not much if you're an adult. 🙁

 

[woowoo]

My eyes wander but they are not lazy.
I'm married 🙂

 

[Mnementh]

The only way to correct it (other than surgery) is with glasses. Go to your opticians and explain the problem and if it really causes you an issue he/she can prescribe you glasses with a correcting prism to stop the wandering.

 

[Yossarian]

YALET...

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Mnementh
The only way to correct it (other than surgery) is with glasses. Go to your opticians and explain the problem and if it really causes you an issue he/she can prescribe you glasses with a correcting prism to stop the wandering.

Strabismus and Amblyopia cannot be corrected with lenses unless the strabismus is due to a refractive error in the first place.

Once you are an adult, your visual cortex is fully developed and it is very difficult if not impossible to change it.

Anyway.. other than reading around here, a bit for general information you need to go to an eye doctor. Based on your description, I don't really know if you have strabismus or amblyopia.

Eye doctor > ATOT.

Do you see in stereo vision? Are you sure that the vision quality is the same out of both eyes?

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: Eli
Unfortunately, not much if you're an adult. 🙁

Amblyopia is only one cause/symptom of a lazy eye, a "lazy eye" is often mistaken to mean a squint by the majority of people which is actually called a strabismus.

A lazy eye or amblyopic eye is when one eye's vision is much worse than the other it doesn't always go hand in hand with a squint or wandering eye (although it often does)

A wandering eye can be caused by amblyopia but it can also be caused by a muscle problem and in the OP's case this is the more likely as it affects him more when tired, if it was caused by amblyopia it would happen all the time. The only correction for this is glasses with a prism component.

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Mnementh
The only way to correct it (other than surgery) is with glasses. Go to your opticians and explain the problem and if it really causes you an issue he/she can prescribe you glasses with a correcting prism to stop the wandering.

Strabismus and Amblyopia cannot be corrected with lenses unless the strabismus is due to a refractive error in the first place.

Once you are an adult, your visual cortex is fully developed and it is very difficult if not impossible to change it.

Anyway.. other than reading around here, a bit for general information you need to go to an eye doctor. Based on your description, I don't really know if you have strabismus or amblyopia.

Eye doctor > ATOT.

Do you see in stereo vision? Are you sure that the vision quality is the same out of both eyes?

A Strabismus is corrected with a prism, the whole reason behind this is when wearing glasses your eye is pulled towards the centre of the lens, a prism induces this effect by basically placing the centre of the lens elsewhere (even outside of the frame), therefore pulling the eye in that direction.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Mnementh
The only way to correct it (other than surgery) is with glasses. Go to your opticians and explain the problem and if it really causes you an issue he/she can prescribe you glasses with a correcting prism to stop the wandering.

Strabismus and Amblyopia cannot be corrected with lenses unless the strabismus is due to a refractive error in the first place.

Once you are an adult, your visual cortex is fully developed and it is very difficult if not impossible to change it.

depending on your situation, surgery might not be an option either.

I have ambyopia -- my eye doesn't necessary wander, but I have severely limited vision out of that eye (only shapes and colors); as a result, full eye-contact with both eyes is just about impossible.

I went in for a surgery consultation last summer, and the doctor told me it wasn't even an option; at best, it might make my vision slightly better, but it could also result in me having double-vision permanently.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Mnementh

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Mnementh
The only way to correct it (other than surgery) is with glasses. Go to your opticians and explain the problem and if it really causes you an issue he/she can prescribe you glasses with a correcting prism to stop the wandering.

Strabismus and Amblyopia cannot be corrected with lenses unless the strabismus is due to a refractive error in the first place.

Once you are an adult, your visual cortex is fully developed and it is very difficult if not impossible to change it.

Anyway.. other than reading around here, a bit for general information you need to go to an eye doctor. Based on your description, I don't really know if you have strabismus or amblyopia.

Eye doctor > ATOT.

Do you see in stereo vision? Are you sure that the vision quality is the same out of both eyes?

A Strabismus is corrected with a prism, the whole reason behind this is when wearing glasses your eye is pulled towards the centre of the lens, a prism induces this effect by basically placing the centre of the lens elsewhere (even outside of the frame), therefore pulling the eye in that direction.

Ahh, makes sense.

But what if the strabismus is due to a non-refractive error in the wandering eye?

Maybe I'm confusing amblyopia and strabismus up too much. I have amblyopia. The vision in my left eye is clearly less than in my right, yet I have intermitten strabismus(It seems to change all the time, usually most noticable when tired) and it cannot be corrected with a lens as far as I know.

I should probably take my own advice and go to an optometrist.. 😛 Haven't been to one in a while.

I've noticed the vision in my mostly-unused eye degrade quite significantly in the last several years.. kinda alarming. I can remember when I could see fine out of both eyes.. I could switch eyes at random, and freak people out.. LOL.. 😛

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Mnementh
The only way to correct it (other than surgery) is with glasses. Go to your opticians and explain the problem and if it really causes you an issue he/she can prescribe you glasses with a correcting prism to stop the wandering.

Strabismus and Amblyopia cannot be corrected with lenses unless the strabismus is due to a refractive error in the first place.

Once you are an adult, your visual cortex is fully developed and it is very difficult if not impossible to change it.

depending on your situation, surgery might not be an option either.

I have ambyopia -- my eye doesn't necessary wander, but I have severely limited vision out of that eye (only shapes and colors); as a result, full eye-contact with both eyes is just about impossible.

I went in for a surgery consultation last summer, and the doctor told me it wasn't even an option; at best, it might make my vision slightly better, but it could also result in me having double-vision permanently.

That's true Amblyopia cannot normally be resolved by surgery (unless it's caused by a ctartact or other such problem), however a strabismus caused by muscle problems can be solved by surgery however it's not normally recommended as there are a lot of things that can go wrong.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Mnementh

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Mnementh
The only way to correct it (other than surgery) is with glasses. Go to your opticians and explain the problem and if it really causes you an issue he/she can prescribe you glasses with a correcting prism to stop the wandering.

Strabismus and Amblyopia cannot be corrected with lenses unless the strabismus is due to a refractive error in the first place.

Once you are an adult, your visual cortex is fully developed and it is very difficult if not impossible to change it.

depending on your situation, surgery might not be an option either.

I have ambyopia -- my eye doesn't necessary wander, but I have severely limited vision out of that eye (only shapes and colors); as a result, full eye-contact with both eyes is just about impossible.

I went in for a surgery consultation last summer, and the doctor told me it wasn't even an option; at best, it might make my vision slightly better, but it could also result in me having double-vision permanently.

That's true Amblyopia cannot normally be resolved by surgery (unless it's caused by a ctartact or other such problem), however a strabismus caused by muscle problems can be solved by surgery however it's not normally recommended as there are a lot of things that can go wrong.

I've had something like 4 surgeries.. heh.

They did even my eyes out pretty well. Like I said, you can only tell sometimes.

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: Eli
Ahh, makes sense.

But what if the strabismus is due to a non-refractive error in the wandering eye?

Maybe I'm confusing amblyopia and strabismus up too much. I have amblyopia. The vision in my left eye is clearly less than in my right, yet I have intermitten strabismus(It seems to change all the time, usually most noticable when tired) and it cannot be corrected with a lens as far as I know.

I should probably take my own advice and go to an optometrist.. 😛 Haven't been to one in a while.

I've noticed the vision in my mostly-unused eye degrade quite significantly in the last several years.. kinda alarming. I can remember when I could see fine out of both eyes.. I could switch eyes at random, and freak people out.. LOL.. 😛

Non-refractive errors are actually solved in the same way as the prism doesn't affect vision at all it just moves the centre of the lens. Strabismus caused by a refractive error is actually simple to fix if the resulting visual acuity is fairly good as normal glasses will also pull the eye towards the centre of the lens.

In your case obviously even with glasses your VA is not very good in one eye so the brain basically ignores the image from that eye and lets it do it's own thing, if you have some vision through it though glasses will help (contact lenses won't do anything to help a strabismus).

I would certainly go to an optician and ask them about this as tbh most opticians for some reason don't like prescribing prisms (once you need one thats it you will always need it and it can actually get worse therefore needing more and more prism over time) except in extreme cases. Every case should be judged on it's own merits. If you vision is not that good in one eye and you can put up with the wandering then you're better off just leaving things as they are.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Mnementh

Originally posted by: Eli
Ahh, makes sense.

But what if the strabismus is due to a non-refractive error in the wandering eye?

Maybe I'm confusing amblyopia and strabismus up too much. I have amblyopia. The vision in my left eye is clearly less than in my right, yet I have intermitten strabismus(It seems to change all the time, usually most noticable when tired) and it cannot be corrected with a lens as far as I know.

I should probably take my own advice and go to an optometrist.. 😛 Haven't been to one in a while.

I've noticed the vision in my mostly-unused eye degrade quite significantly in the last several years.. kinda alarming. I can remember when I could see fine out of both eyes.. I could switch eyes at random, and freak people out.. LOL.. 😛

Non-refractive errors are actually solved in the same way as the prism doesn't affect vision at all it just moves the centre of the lens. Strabismus caused by a refractive error is actually simple to fix if the resulting visual acuity is fairly good as normal glasses will also pull the eye towards the centre of the lens.

In your case obviously even with glasses your VA is not very good in one eye so the brain basically ignores the image from that eye and lets it do it's own thing, if you have some vision through it though glasses will help (contact lenses won't do anything to help a strabismus).

I would certainly go to an optician and ask them about this as tbh most opticians for some reason don't like prescribing prisms (once you need one thats it you will always need it and it can actually get worse therefore needing more and more prism over time) except in extreme cases. Every case should be judged on it's own merits. If you vision is not that good in one eye and you can put up with the wandering then you're better off just leaving things as they are.

The thing I don't really understand is why it is blurry in the first place.

See, if I'm looking out of my right eye(as I am normally, I can see 20/20 out of it), then my left eye will sometimes turn in. But if I look out of my left eye(which is quite blurry), then my right eye will always turn in. Obviously I don't do that much.

The strange thing is that if I'm looking out of my left eye, I can "manually" focus it by moving my eyeball slightly to the right with my finger. WTF is up with that?! LOL.. That makes me think that there's nothing actually wrong with my eye, but my eye muscles are just atrophied or something from lack of use.

Does that make any sense?

I can close my right eye and work my left eye until it hurts, but I've never actually been able to "find" the muscles that would make it turn slightly inwards and focus, if you know what I mean. It's quite interesting to "find" muscles that you've never really worked on purpose before(like how some people can wiggle their ears).

I wish I had health insurance.. heh.

 

[Mnementh]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Mnementh

Originally posted by: Eli
Ahh, makes sense.

But what if the strabismus is due to a non-refractive error in the wandering eye?

Maybe I'm confusing amblyopia and strabismus up too much. I have amblyopia. The vision in my left eye is clearly less than in my right, yet I have intermitten strabismus(It seems to change all the time, usually most noticable when tired) and it cannot be corrected with a lens as far as I know.

I should probably take my own advice and go to an optometrist.. 😛 Haven't been to one in a while.

I've noticed the vision in my mostly-unused eye degrade quite significantly in the last several years.. kinda alarming. I can remember when I could see fine out of both eyes.. I could switch eyes at random, and freak people out.. LOL.. 😛

Non-refractive errors are actually solved in the same way as the prism doesn't affect vision at all it just moves the centre of the lens. Strabismus caused by a refractive error is actually simple to fix if the resulting visual acuity is fairly good as normal glasses will also pull the eye towards the centre of the lens.

In your case obviously even with glasses your VA is not very good in one eye so the brain basically ignores the image from that eye and lets it do it's own thing, if you have some vision through it though glasses will help (contact lenses won't do anything to help a strabismus).

I would certainly go to an optician and ask them about this as tbh most opticians for some reason don't like prescribing prisms (once you need one thats it you will always need it and it can actually get worse therefore needing more and more prism over time) except in extreme cases. Every case should be judged on it's own merits. If you vision is not that good in one eye and you can put up with the wandering then you're better off just leaving things as they are.

The thing I don't really understand is why it is blurry in the first place.

See, if I'm looking out of my right eye(as I am normally, I can see 20/20 out of it), then my left eye will sometimes turn in. But if I look out of my left eye(which is quite blurry), then my right eye will always turn in. Obviously I don't do that much.

The strange thing is that if I'm looking out of my left eye, I can "manually" focus it by moving my eyeball slightly to the right with my finger. WTF is up with that?! LOL.. That makes me think that there's nothing actually wrong with my eye, but my eye muscles are just atrophied or something from lack of use.

Does that make any sense?

I wish I had health insurance.. heh.

Woah, I could explain why that happens if you have about 8 hours, it's very complicated and tbh a lot of it is very blurry so I wouldn't be 100% sure of what I was saying to you without me looking up a lot of references to refresh my memory (I stopped practising about 5-6 years ago).

Suffice to say it's to do with accomodation (when the eye looks at close objects) and the relationship between that and the eyes position which at the time I was practising was still not fully understood I don't know how much further they've got with understanding that.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Mnementh

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Mnementh

Originally posted by: Eli
Ahh, makes sense.

But what if the strabismus is due to a non-refractive error in the wandering eye?

Maybe I'm confusing amblyopia and strabismus up too much. I have amblyopia. The vision in my left eye is clearly less than in my right, yet I have intermitten strabismus(It seems to change all the time, usually most noticable when tired) and it cannot be corrected with a lens as far as I know.

I should probably take my own advice and go to an optometrist.. 😛 Haven't been to one in a while.

I've noticed the vision in my mostly-unused eye degrade quite significantly in the last several years.. kinda alarming. I can remember when I could see fine out of both eyes.. I could switch eyes at random, and freak people out.. LOL.. 😛

Non-refractive errors are actually solved in the same way as the prism doesn't affect vision at all it just moves the centre of the lens. Strabismus caused by a refractive error is actually simple to fix if the resulting visual acuity is fairly good as normal glasses will also pull the eye towards the centre of the lens.

In your case obviously even with glasses your VA is not very good in one eye so the brain basically ignores the image from that eye and lets it do it's own thing, if you have some vision through it though glasses will help (contact lenses won't do anything to help a strabismus).

I would certainly go to an optician and ask them about this as tbh most opticians for some reason don't like prescribing prisms (once you need one thats it you will always need it and it can actually get worse therefore needing more and more prism over time) except in extreme cases. Every case should be judged on it's own merits. If you vision is not that good in one eye and you can put up with the wandering then you're better off just leaving things as they are.

The thing I don't really understand is why it is blurry in the first place.

See, if I'm looking out of my right eye(as I am normally, I can see 20/20 out of it), then my left eye will sometimes turn in. But if I look out of my left eye(which is quite blurry), then my right eye will always turn in. Obviously I don't do that much.

The strange thing is that if I'm looking out of my left eye, I can "manually" focus it by moving my eyeball slightly to the right with my finger. WTF is up with that?! LOL.. That makes me think that there's nothing actually wrong with my eye, but my eye muscles are just atrophied or something from lack of use.

Does that make any sense?

I wish I had health insurance.. heh.

Woah, I could explain why that happens if you have about 8 hours, it's very complicated and tbh a lot of it is very blurry so I wouldn't be 100% sure of what I was saying to you without me looking up a lot of references to refresh my memory (I stopped practising about 5-6 years ago).

Suffice to say it's to do with accomodation (when the eye looks at close objects) and the relationship between that and the eyes position which at the time I was practising was still not fully understood I don't know how much further they've got with understanding that.

Hmm.. Weird..

I've always known my brain learned to use my eyes weird, but.. I think that's just fscked up.. lol


I don't know if it works on far-away objects or not, but it works on both my monitor(~2ft away) and the posters on the other side of the room(8ft). I only have to move my eye 1 or 2mm. It's really quite bizzare.

I've had my girlfriend watch my blurry eye when I try and focus it, and the only thing that changes is my iris aperature.. but that isn't enough. It also takes that additional 1-2mm of actual eye movement to focus the image. I have quite good control over my iris, lol.. but I can't seem to find those "right/left fine tune" muscles..

I wonder if it's possible that they aren't accessible conciously. I don't think I've ever met anybody that could move their eyes slightly to the right or left without changing the center of focus, that would look weird.