Walmart to unionize

mzkhadir

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Wal-Mart Agrees to Unionization in China


By DAVID BARBOZA
Published: August 9, 2006
SHANGHAI, Aug. 9 ? After years of fighting unionization efforts at its stores, Wal-Mart, the world?s largest retailer, said today that it would work closely with Chinese officials to establish labor unions at all of its outlets here.

Wal-Mart said it would form an alliance with the government-backed All China Federation of Trade Unions because it wanted to create ?an effective and harmonious way of facilitating the establishment of grassroots unions? at its stores.

The announcement came less than two weeks after Wal-Mart employees established their first union in China, the first time that a union had ever been formed at a Wal-Mart store. Since then, four other Wal-Mart stores in China have also formed unions, according to the government union officials.

Wal-Mart?s decision surprised observers because while the company had signaled earlier that it would not do anything to stop unions from forming at its Chinese stores, it had never suggested that it would actively participate in backing unionization efforts.

Wal-Mart?s decision to allow unions comes after years of pressure from the All China Federation of Trade Unions, which has been pushing companies with large foreign investments here to allow unionization, which is required under Chinese law.

Forming a union at Wal-Mart stores, which have been plagued by labor disputes in recent years, has proved incredibly difficult. For instance, the AFL-CIO has tried but failed to set up unions at Wal-Mart stores in the United States.

But exactly what it means to have a unionized Wal-Mart store here is unclear because unions in China do not have the history of bargaining power.

Wal-Mart officials see China as a potentially huge market and are determined to expand rapidly here. The company already has about 60 retail outlets and 30,000 employees here. And because of China?s mighty factories, this country is Wal-Mart?s primary sourcing base for the millions of goods its sell around the world.

Wal-Mart initially signaled its approval of unions here in late 2004, when the company said that if workers in China moved to unionize, Wal-Mart would not stop them.

But today, after meeting with union officials here, Wal-Mart issued a statement that seemed not just conciliatory but a strong echo of the Chinese government?s latest propaganda campaign, which promises to build a ?harmonious society.?

In a brief statement today titled ?Wal-Mart Supports China?s Effort to Build a Harmonious Society,? the company said that it would collaborate with the All China Federation because the two groups had the ?mutual aim? to establish grass-roots unions.

Exactly how the unions are being formed and who has control of them is still unclear, and some experts doubt the unions now being formed at Wal-mart will engage in collective bargaining negotiations with the company.

Liu Kaiming, director of the Institute of Contemporary Observation, a labor rights organization based in Shenzhen, applauded the Wal-Mart announcement today but questioned whether it would lead to significant change.

?I don?t see any bargaining power in the unions in China,? Mr. Liu said. ?The function of Chinese unions is to urge workers to participate in the work, to care about their welfare and to organize recreational activities for them.?

Independent unions are banned in China. But the All China Federation of Trade Unions ? the government-controlled labor union ? issued a statement earlier this week, suggesting that it would be able to contend with one of the world?s biggest companies.

?If Wal-Mart union members are subjected to unfair treatment at work, unions at the national, provincial, city and district level will strive all out to protect employees? legitimate rights,? the announcement said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/09/world...7e22307266c59&ei=5094&partner=homepage
 

Pikachu

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...allow unionization, which is required under Chinese law...
God knows half the comrades on this site would like to make that a law in this country as well.
 

moshquerade

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good. now China can fall down the same path unions have here. they started out as a great thing protecting worker's right, getting them fair wages/working conditions, and now have become nothing but greed and have killed our competitiveness.
 

funboy6942

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Oh well so much for walmart having the cheap goods at a cheap price. Now it will be over priced crap.
 

rivan

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I can't reliably say that unions are the answer (I've been a part of a couple of unions that weren't worth a damn) but there needs to be something to keep people who work a solid 40 hour week above the poverty line.
 

Pikachu

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...there needs to be something to keep people who work a solid 40 hour week above the poverty line.
Perhaps not having 3 kids by the time they're 20yo? Not buying cars and crap they can't afford? Not planning on an entry level job to support their poor spending, breeding, smoking & drinking habits? :confused:
 

funboy6942

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Originally posted by: Pikachu
...there needs to be something to keep people who work a solid 40 hour week above the poverty line.
Perhaps not having 3 kids by the time they're 20yo? Not buying cars and crap they can't afford? Not planning on an entry level job to support their poor spending, breeding, smoking & drinking habits? :confused:

Geez another freakin nut. What makes you think that thats what has happened for them to be on the poverty line? And is that for all people or just the one that are not like you?
 

Ferocious

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umm this is the same old STATE controlled union.

Utterly worthless.

Free and independent union organizers are still routinely jailed.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
good. now China can fall down the same path unions have here. they started out as a great thing protecting worker's right, getting them fair wages/working conditions, and now have become nothing but greed and have killed our competitiveness.

Chinese Unions cannot strike and have no real cards to play agaisnt the companies they go up against.
 

amdskip

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Originally posted by: funboy42
Originally posted by: Pikachu
...there needs to be something to keep people who work a solid 40 hour week above the poverty line.
Perhaps not having 3 kids by the time they're 20yo? Not buying cars and crap they can't afford? Not planning on an entry level job to support their poor spending, breeding, smoking & drinking habits? :confused:
Geez another freakin nut. What makes you think that thats what has happened for them to be on the poverty line? And is that for all people or just the one that are not like you?
You can work at walmart and make a living and survive by yourself. You may not have much but you can do it. Now, there are many who have the mindset that they should be able to support and raise a family while working a retail job, ha, good one! It's a retail non skilled job. No you cannot raise a family on that wage. Do not try and do not pass GO.
 

Pikachu

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This "freakin nut" is freakin tired of the lack of taking freakin responsibility for poor choices. It's not the place of our government to dictate how much compensation is to be distributed by any particular employer, for any particular trade, let alone the simple freakin grunt work required at Walmart!
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: funboy42
Oh well so much for walmart having the cheap goods at a cheap price. Now it will be over priced crap.

Oh come on. Unionization in CHINA? So they'll make what, $0.40 an hour now instead of $0.25? :p
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Pikachu
This "freakin nut" is freakin tired of the lack of taking freakin responsibility for poor choices. It's not the place of our government to dictate how much compensation is to be distributed by any particular employer, for any particular trade, let alone the simple freakin grunt work required at Walmart!

Yeah it's not like the past when you could raise a family on wages made at a retail job.