Walmart salaries approach living wage . . .

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
The thing is there are actually people who WANT this kind of work and these kinds of hours....too bad you are all so short sighted you can't see that.

It fits thier needs, be it because of school, children's schedules, family obligations they may be a single parent on some sort of assistance and they can only make so much, if they go over they loose it.

It is the attitude of the pompus jacka$$es on the board that assume that everyoone who works at Walmart wants to work full time. Yet they turn around and place a label on those that work there saying what loosers they are.

Don't assume that what you want is the same desire everyone else has...eveyone leads a different life and who the hell are you to decide what is good for someone else?

Isn't that like the religious right telling everyone they are going to hell because they don't beleve in the same God?

The fact those that want to move up and do well at Walmart can, just like anywhere else. Walmart does what it does to keep prices low for the people who shop there.

Don't like their business practices? Don't shop there...go to Target, or Kmart or wherever, but if you do don't bitch because the prices are higher when they have to pay a better wage and provide insurance.

Many stores are no different than Walmart, yes including the mom & pop stores, the thing is Walmart happens to be the big kid on the block....if it were Target in that position, the same stuff would be said about them, it really makes no difference.


<----not a Walmart employee btw. Just an observation because I actually talk to employees while I shop there.

While some of what you say may be true, you'll have a hard time convincing me that there are more people working at Walmart that want/need full time jobs then those that want/need part time jobs.

It's one thing to be willing to adjust to the needs of those who want part time work, but it's a totally different thing to make people who WANT full time jobs revert to part time jobs.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: ajf3

Originally posted by: senseamp
1 more reason to not shop at Whoremart.
I don't know why Target manages to have pretty much the same prices, but a much more upscale feel, but they do.

Hmmm.... So instead of allowing them to move millions of workers from full time to part time, your solution is to put those workers out of a job entirely?

Good example of why the libs, after all the bluster, won't take the Congress back this year.

No, My solution is for those workers to get better jobs at Target, where I shop. Whoremart isn't the only place that hires people.
Good example of why cons, who have no common sense, shouldn't be lecturing others about economics, or anything else for that matter.

You dont actually think Target has a higher percentage of full-time workers, with bennies....do you? Or ANY retailer for that matter...

EDIT: Target is a worse employer than Wal Mart:

excerpts:

A survey by the UFCW found that starting wages are similar in Targets and Wal-Marts -- possibly higher overall at Wal-Marts ? and that Target benefits packages are often harder to qualify for and less comprehensive.

A Target employee who asked that his name and store location be kept secret said he can barely make ends meet on his salary of $8.40 an hour.

?After three years, I have received less than $1 an hour in raises. I started at $7.65,? said the worker, adding that he does love his job because of camaraderie with his co-workers. ?We are never compensated and rarely even recognized for meeting our goals.?

In today?s market, could retail really be any different? Fair labor advocates think so. Hesse notes that in several unionized grocery stores in the Twin Cities, hourly wages hover around $13 to $17 an hour, roughly double Target?s. Now SuperTarget?s sale of groceries threatens the survival of union grocery stores.

Even other major big box retailers have managed to pay significantly higher wages and achieve higher employee retention. The prices at Costco Wholesale Corp., the nation?s fifth largest retailer, are competitive with those at Target and Wal-Mart, but it pays full-time employees an average of around $16 an hour along with generous health benefits.
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Target is no better than Wal Mart. Source: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13508

So what? I don't want to shop at Whoremart with the low-lifes and fobs. I want to go to Target where everything is nice and clean, and I can shop in peace and quiet.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: ajf3

Originally posted by: senseamp
1 more reason to not shop at Whoremart.
I don't know why Target manages to have pretty much the same prices, but a much more upscale feel, but they do.

Hmmm.... So instead of allowing them to move millions of workers from full time to part time, your solution is to put those workers out of a job entirely?

Good example of why the libs, after all the bluster, won't take the Congress back this year.

No, My solution is for those workers to get better jobs at Target, where I shop. Whoremart isn't the only place that hires people.
Good example of why cons, who have no common sense, shouldn't be lecturing others about economics, or anything else for that matter.

You dont actually think Target has a higher percentage of full-time workers, with bennies....do you? Or ANY retailer for that matter...

EDIT: Target is a worse employer than Wal Mart:

excerpts:

A survey by the UFCW found that starting wages are similar in Targets and Wal-Marts -- possibly higher overall at Wal-Marts ? and that Target benefits packages are often harder to qualify for and less comprehensive.

A Target employee who asked that his name and store location be kept secret said he can barely make ends meet on his salary of $8.40 an hour.

?After three years, I have received less than $1 an hour in raises. I started at $7.65,? said the worker, adding that he does love his job because of camaraderie with his co-workers. ?We are never compensated and rarely even recognized for meeting our goals.?

In today?s market, could retail really be any different? Fair labor advocates think so. Hesse notes that in several unionized grocery stores in the Twin Cities, hourly wages hover around $13 to $17 an hour, roughly double Target?s. Now SuperTarget?s sale of groceries threatens the survival of union grocery stores.

Even other major big box retailers have managed to pay significantly higher wages and achieve higher employee retention. The prices at Costco Wholesale Corp., the nation?s fifth largest retailer, are competitive with those at Target and Wal-Mart, but it pays full-time employees an average of around $16 an hour along with generous health benefits.
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Target is no better than Wal Mart. Source: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13508

So what? I don't want to shop at Whoremart with the low-lifes and fobs. I want to go to Target where everything is nice and clean, and I can shop in peace and quiet.

Sorry, but the thread isnt about where you refer to shop. It's about working conditions, etc, to which I gave an on-topic reply.

Thanks for your opinion though, please pull through.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: ajf3

Originally posted by: senseamp
1 more reason to not shop at Whoremart.
I don't know why Target manages to have pretty much the same prices, but a much more upscale feel, but they do.

Hmmm.... So instead of allowing them to move millions of workers from full time to part time, your solution is to put those workers out of a job entirely?

Good example of why the libs, after all the bluster, won't take the Congress back this year.

No, My solution is for those workers to get better jobs at Target, where I shop. Whoremart isn't the only place that hires people.
Good example of why cons, who have no common sense, shouldn't be lecturing others about economics, or anything else for that matter.

You dont actually think Target has a higher percentage of full-time workers, with bennies....do you? Or ANY retailer for that matter...

EDIT: Target is a worse employer than Wal Mart:

excerpts:

A survey by the UFCW found that starting wages are similar in Targets and Wal-Marts -- possibly higher overall at Wal-Marts ? and that Target benefits packages are often harder to qualify for and less comprehensive.

A Target employee who asked that his name and store location be kept secret said he can barely make ends meet on his salary of $8.40 an hour.

?After three years, I have received less than $1 an hour in raises. I started at $7.65,? said the worker, adding that he does love his job because of camaraderie with his co-workers. ?We are never compensated and rarely even recognized for meeting our goals.?

In today?s market, could retail really be any different? Fair labor advocates think so. Hesse notes that in several unionized grocery stores in the Twin Cities, hourly wages hover around $13 to $17 an hour, roughly double Target?s. Now SuperTarget?s sale of groceries threatens the survival of union grocery stores.

Even other major big box retailers have managed to pay significantly higher wages and achieve higher employee retention. The prices at Costco Wholesale Corp., the nation?s fifth largest retailer, are competitive with those at Target and Wal-Mart, but it pays full-time employees an average of around $16 an hour along with generous health benefits.
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Target is no better than Wal Mart. Source: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=13508

So what? I don't want to shop at Whoremart with the low-lifes and fobs. I want to go to Target where everything is nice and clean, and I can shop in peace and quiet.

Sorry, but the thread isnt about where you refer to shop. It's about working conditions, etc, to which I gave an on-topic reply.

Thanks for your opinion though, please pull through.

Actually it is all about where people shop.

 

[Hacp]

Bush has finally outdone himself. Becuase of Bush's economic policies, soo many people are jobless that they can't even afford to buy from Wal Mart, forcing the once thriving Retail Giant to cut back on payroll. This will be a neverending cycle and will spell the certain doom of the United States economy. If you Vote Bush, you vote Ruthless Warmonger.

 

[JD50]

Hey I have an idea!!

If you don't like the low cost goods that walmart provides to low and middle income families, don't shop there. If you don't like the salaries that they pay their employees or their benefits package, don't work there.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: JD50
Hey I have an idea!!

If you don't like the low cost goods that walmart provides to low and middle income families, don't shop there. If you don't like the salaries that they pay their employees or their benefits package, don't work there.

YEAH!! And if you don't like the high taxes you pay to subsidise underpaid Walmart workers, then don't pay them!!!!

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Bush has finally outdone himself. Becuase of Bush's economic policies, soo many people are jobless that they can't even afford to buy from Wal Mart, forcing the once thriving Retail Giant to cut back on payroll. This will be a neverending cycle and will spell the certain doom of the United States economy. If you Vote Bush, you vote Ruthless Warmonger.

WTF the jobless rate is below 5% LOL WTF are you talking about?

 

[ProfJohn]

Simple economics tells you that if Wal-Mart raises their wages then they either have smaller profits or have to raise their prices.

No one is forcing the people to work at Wal-Mart, if you don't like working there educate yourself and get a better job.

If you want to make this union v non-union look at the airlines and automobile sectors. In both of those the non-union employers (Southwest and Honda/Toyota) are beating the pants of their union competition. And yet the people who work for Southwest seem to love working there.

Wal-Mart is focusing on what it feels is in its best interest, if it is wrong it will have to deal with the consequences in the market place, the way it should be done, not in some chat room or in the halls of a Washington committee. You don?t like this choice of theirs then vote with your wallet.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50
Hey I have an idea!!

If you don't like the low cost goods that walmart provides to low and middle income families, don't shop there. If you don't like the salaries that they pay their employees or their benefits package, don't work there.

YEAH!! And if you don't like the high taxes you pay to subsidise underpaid Walmart workers, then don't pay them!!!!

The states are the one who decides to pay for that, they DON"T HAVE TO. If the state doesn't want to "pick up the slack" then don't.

That aside.


If it wasn't for walmart i know my family would not be able to live where we do. We shop for clothes, disposables (paper products, trash bags etc), get what ever food they carry - so we can stretch our dollar. For most things, it is the cheapest place in town.

If people don't like to work there, well - retail sucks - especially low end retail. Been there, done that. And not going to do it again. Where i live there are jobs that actually *gasp* pay less then walmart! And people take those jobs too.

 

[1EZduzit]

Walmart employs something like 1.2 million people last I knew. If the greedy bastards can save a lousy $1000/year/employee some asshole is going to get a nice, big bonus. The Walton family is already the richest family in the world, who with a lick of common sense in their head would support making them richer at the expense of their workers?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50
Hey I have an idea!!

If you don't like the low cost goods that walmart provides to low and middle income families, don't shop there. If you don't like the salaries that they pay their employees or their benefits package, don't work there.

YEAH!! And if you don't like the high taxes you pay to subsidise underpaid Walmart workers, then don't pay them!!!!

The states are the one who decides to pay for that, they DON"T HAVE TO. If the state doesn't want to "pick up the slack" then don't.

That aside.


If it wasn't for walmart i know my family would not be able to live where we do. We shop for clothes, disposables (paper products, trash bags etc), get what ever food they carry - so we can stretch our dollar. For most things, it is the cheapest place in town.

If people don't like to work there, well - retail sucks - especially low end retail. Been there, done that. And not going to do it again. Where i live there are jobs that actually *gasp* pay less then walmart! And people take those jobs too.

They just built a Walmart in our town and it's been open maybe 2 months? They have a grocery store and we have 2 other grocery stores in town. I'm not very well off, but somehow I've been able to continue to shop at the other two grocery stores. A couple of friends of mine works at one of them and another friend of mine is a part owner of the other (a totally locally owned store).

I could save me a few bucks a month by going to Walmart, but i would rather pay more and have my friends keep their jobs of over 20 years.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Hacp
Bush has finally outdone himself. Becuase of Bush's economic policies, soo many people are jobless that they can't even afford to buy from Wal Mart, forcing the once thriving Retail Giant to cut back on payroll. This will be a neverending cycle and will spell the certain doom of the United States economy. If you Vote Bush, you vote Ruthless Warmonger.

WTF the jobless rate is below 5% LOL WTF are you talking about?

Taking a look at how the jobless rate is calculated might help you figure that out.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: sandorski
Often Corporations will do some "good" to cover the bad they do. I watched a documentary once that mentioned a major Corp that spent some $20k on some charitable thing, then started a $multi-million advertising campaign featuring the "good" they did. I don't recall any of the details, as the previous sentence shows( ), but Walmart is a master of deflection. Critics point out how Walmart stores destroy Town Centers, Walmart promotes all the "created" jobs. God forbid that the people of those Jobs attempt to organize(stores suddenly become "unprofitable") or even(in this case) expect fulltime employment.

One prominent example is pharmaceutical companies. When they give "free" samples to physician offices, the companies write off the retail cost of the drug despite the fact that the medications cost pennies to make. But physicians don't just give free samples to patients with low incomes. Many of the free samples are used by office staff. Some will go to patients regardless of income. Then Big Pharma claim in their advertisements that they give "X millions of dollars" each year in free medications.

Actually, a lot of the BigPharmaCo do have prescription assitance programs where you can get some pretty pricey stuff for completely free. You just have to qualify for it.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Walmart employs something like 1.2 million people last I knew. If the greedy bastards can save a lousy $1000/year/employee some asshole is going to get a nice, big bonus. The Walton family is already the richest family in the world, who with a lick of common sense in their head would support making them richer at the expense of their workers?

Out of every dollar walmart takes in, how much of it is profit?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Walmart employs something like 1.2 million people last I knew. If the greedy bastards can save a lousy $1000/year/employee some asshole is going to get a nice, big bonus. The Walton family is already the richest family in the world, who with a lick of common sense in their head would support making them richer at the expense of their workers?

Out of every dollar walmart takes in, how much of it is profit?

Exactly what does that have to do with the richest family in the world forcing it's employees to accept part time rather then full time jobs?

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Walmart employs something like 1.2 million people last I knew. If the greedy bastards can save a lousy $1000/year/employee some asshole is going to get a nice, big bonus. The Walton family is already the richest family in the world, who with a lick of common sense in their head would support making them richer at the expense of their workers?

Out of every dollar walmart takes in, how much of it is profit?

Exactly what does that have to do with the richest family in the world forcing it's employees to accept part time rather then full time jobs?

2-3 cents.

last time i checked, walmart is a public company so its the shareholders that get the benefit.

So walmart is forcing people to work there now?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Walmart employs something like 1.2 million people last I knew. If the greedy bastards can save a lousy $1000/year/employee some asshole is going to get a nice, big bonus. The Walton family is already the richest family in the world, who with a lick of common sense in their head would support making them richer at the expense of their workers?

Out of every dollar walmart takes in, how much of it is profit?

Exactly what does that have to do with the richest family in the world forcing it's employees to accept part time rather then full time jobs?

2-3 cents.

last time i checked, walmart is a public company so its the shareholders that get the benefit

So they only make 2 to 3 cents after paying the Walton family and all the other overpaid management/bonuses/etc?

So, are you saying that after cutting peoples hours and benifits they might make another 1/100 of a cent more profit to send to it's shareholders? Sorry, but I'll spend a little more and keep my friends employed.

Besides, I've heard that in a small town like mine, once they put the all the competion out of business their prices are just as high as anyone elses.

Edit: If I were you, I'd think about getting rid of my Walmart stock.

 

[blackangst1]

Amazaing how many people dont understand how public companies work...anyways, and off topic, I wonder what the wage would be for people to say "Wal Mart" or whoever pays fairly! What do all you bleeding hearts think is fair?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Amazaing how many people dont understand how public companies work...anyways, and off topic, I wonder what the wage would be for people to say "Wal Mart" or whoever pays fairly! What do all you bleeding hearts think is fair?

I think it's amazing how little empathy people have for others if they think they can make (or save) a few cents.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Amazaing how many people dont understand how public companies work...anyways, and off topic, I wonder what the wage would be for people to say "Wal Mart" or whoever pays fairly! What do all you bleeding hearts think is fair?

I think it's amazing how little empathy people have for others if they think they can make (or save) a few cents.

Empathy has nothing to do with it. I dont believe everyone should get the same rewards in life. Call me a capitalist (GASP! In America!).

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Walmart employs something like 1.2 million people last I knew. If the greedy bastards can save a lousy $1000/year/employee some asshole is going to get a nice, big bonus. The Walton family is already the richest family in the world, who with a lick of common sense in their head would support making them richer at the expense of their workers?

Out of every dollar walmart takes in, how much of it is profit?

Exactly what does that have to do with the richest family in the world forcing it's employees to accept part time rather then full time jobs?

2-3 cents.

last time i checked, walmart is a public company so its the shareholders that get the benefit

So they only make 2 to 3 cents after paying the Walton family and all the other overpaid management/bonuses/etc?

So, are you saying that after cutting peoples hours and benifits they might make another 1/100 of a cent more profit to send to it's shareholders? Sorry, but I'll spend a little more and keep my friends employed.

Besides, I've heard that in a small town like mine, once they put the all the competion out of business their prices are just as high as anyone elses.

Edit: If I were you, I'd think about getting rid of my Walmart stock.

I dont' own stock in walmart, i just shop there.

Maybe you can afford several sets of clothes for your kids (clothes which will be destoryed or out grown in less then a year), but if i have the choice of paying $30 for a pair of kids shoes or $9 - i'm going to pick 'em up for 9. When you have to times that by three, paying $90 or $27, should be a no brainer.

I also live in a small town - 14,000 - Walmart has changed the business landscape, but not very much. One place went out of business, directly because of walmart, but they were extremely over priced. Most stores have filled nitches, that Walmart, won't or can't and have stayed in business. Unfortunetly Walmarts arrival came around the same time as internet shopping has increased - and it would be hard to find which has had more of an impact.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Walmart employs something like 1.2 million people last I knew. If the greedy bastards can save a lousy $1000/year/employee some asshole is going to get a nice, big bonus. The Walton family is already the richest family in the world, who with a lick of common sense in their head would support making them richer at the expense of their workers?

Out of every dollar walmart takes in, how much of it is profit?

Exactly what does that have to do with the richest family in the world forcing it's employees to accept part time rather then full time jobs?

2-3 cents.

last time i checked, walmart is a public company so its the shareholders that get the benefit

So they only make 2 to 3 cents after paying the Walton family and all the other overpaid management/bonuses/etc?

So, are you saying that after cutting peoples hours and benifits they might make another 1/100 of a cent more profit to send to it's shareholders? Sorry, but I'll spend a little more and keep my friends employed.

Besides, I've heard that in a small town like mine, once they put the all the competion out of business their prices are just as high as anyone elses.

Edit: If I were you, I'd think about getting rid of my Walmart stock.

I dont' own stock in walmart, i just shop there.

Maybe you can afford several sets of clothes for your kids (clothes which will be destoryed or out grown in less then a year), but if i have the choice of paying $30 for a pair of kids shoes or $9 - i'm going to pick 'em up for 9. When you have to times that by three, paying $90 or $27, should be a no brainer.

I also live in a small town - 14,000 - Walmart has changed the business landscape, but not very much. One place went out of business, directly because of walmart, but they were extremely over priced. Most stores have filled nitches, that Walmart, won't or can't and have stayed in business. Unfortunetly Walmarts arrival came around the same time as internet shopping has increased - and it would be hard to find which has had more of an impact.

 

[jevans64]

I don't think this will change my shopping habits. I'll still get the things I need by shopping at Wal-Mart for them as the store location is convenient for me.

For those that think Target stores are more well-kept than Wal-Mart, this is generally true since the target ( no pun ) shopper is different for both chains. I have been in a lot of Wal-Mart stores in the south as well as some in California and most are not as clean as a lot of Target stores; however, there is a Wal-Mart ( where I shop ) near where I live ( in a high-income area ) that has wood floors in the clothing sections and is pretty well stocked. Most of the employees are also clean-looking except maybe some of the night-stockers. A Wal-Mart ( or Target for that matter ) in a crap area of town is going to look like crap. Target ( for the most-part ) places their stores in good areas since that is the customer they are looking for. Wal-Mart doesn't care. :lol

As many others have posted -- no one is forced to work at Wal-Mart. Most of the folks I know work there part-time because of school or need a little extra income. Most have husbands or wives that also work a better-paying job so benefits are not of concern in their cases. The only benefits change might be the missing "pick-up" coverage where the main provider covers most and the secondary provider picks up the rest. 401K is a moot point since there is little left after $7 an hour for a college student or single parent. :lol If Wal-Mart has profit sharing, then this IS a big deal but most profit sharing I know of kicks in after 5 years of employment.

I do about 50% of my shopping at Wal-Mart. I buy mainly packaged items there. If I want quality meat, I'll go to a real grocery store or meat market to get it. If I want quality electronics, I'll go to a specialty electronics store. If I want good tools, I'll go to Sears. Wal-Mart is good for stuff like socks, t-shirts, underwear, toilet items, branded canned, bagged, or boxed food items, office supplies, and the occasional DVD.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: shrumpage

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Walmart employs something like 1.2 million people last I knew. If the greedy bastards can save a lousy $1000/year/employee some asshole is going to get a nice, big bonus. The Walton family is already the richest family in the world, who with a lick of common sense in their head would support making them richer at the expense of their workers?

Out of every dollar walmart takes in, how much of it is profit?

Exactly what does that have to do with the richest family in the world forcing it's employees to accept part time rather then full time jobs?

Wow, I haven't heard about this yet. So how exactly does Walmart force their employees to do anything? These employees are not being forced to accept part time jobs, they always have the option of working somewhere else if they don't like it.