Walmart memo: Don't hire the "unhealthy".

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Lifer
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/busin...481941719e52b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Seems a memo got out about Walmarts plans to lower benefits and gain productivity.
Here's some highlights:
Among the recommendations are hiring more part-time workers and discouraging unhealthy people from working at Wal-Mart.
The memo voices concern that workers with seven years' seniority earn more than workers with one year's seniority, but are no more productive.
Wal-Mart...acknowledged that 46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid.
Walmart acknowleges that: Wal-Mart's critics can easily exploit some aspects of our benefits offering to make their case; in other words, our critics are correct in some of their observations. Specifically, our coverage is expensive for low-income families, and Wal-Mart has a significant percentage of associates and their children on public assistance."
Ms. Chambers's memo voiced concern that workers were staying with the company longer, pushing up wage costs, although she stopped short of calling for efforts to push out more senior workers
"the cost of an associate with seven years of tenure is almost 55 percent more than the cost of an associate with one year of tenure, yet there is no difference in his or her productivity. Moreover, because we pay an associate more in salary and benefits as his or her tenure increases, we are pricing that associate out of the labor market, increasing the likelihood that he or she will stay with Wal-Mart."


 

Tab

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...
 

Pabster

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I don't doubt it a bit. There was an investigation by a couple newspapers here about 6 months ago that found about 850 Wal-Mart employees are on the states Medicaid roles. Here is a good link with a state-by-state breakdown of Wally World's employee base and figures on how many of them are on state resources, namely Medicaid.
 

Titan

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I'm sorry, I didn't catch if any of this was illegal. I didn't think employers were required to hire people irregardless if they think they will drop dead tommorow. You always hear how companies want people who will be reliable and stick around. This is a serious question, is this illegal?

I am getting sick of these wal-mart hating threads. If working there sucks, quit, go work somewhere else. You signed an at-will contract. If you hate walmart, don't shop there, and some to forums like these and tell us why you don't shop there. But please remember that most people buying underwear or a crummy DVD don't consider it a morallity issue. If you can convince everyone to think like you, wal-mart will die. But constantly spewing hate doesn't help the cause.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...

If the people working for them think it is such a problem they should go find work elsewhere. Nobody is forcing people to work at Walmart.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Tab
The only monopoly Wal-Mart has is one on immorality.

What about the fact they now have walmart real estate, and soon, walmart banking.

Isnt controlling every aspect of an industry a monopoly?

They have production, supply, wholesale, retail, real estate, and soon banking.

What aspect of the retail market arent they strongarming?

Isnt a monopolys very definition a large corporation working in an anti competitive manner to stifle competition? Isnt that exactly what walmart does?
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...

If the people working for them think it is such a problem they should go find work elsewhere. Nobody is forcing people to work at Walmart.

In some places, they are forced, i.e. no other place to work.
 

Acanthus

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...

If the people working for them think it is such a problem they should go find work elsewhere. Nobody is forcing people to work at Walmart.

I am actually in that exact situation, i just quit at walmart because of low pay, being severely overworked and mistreated in general, and just plain being fed up with it (worked there for a full year, and worked my ass off).

Now because walmart has literally decimated the retail economy in the city its hard to find another job part time while im going to school.
 

Jmman

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46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid.


I always see this brought up, but why don't we check the same figures from Burger King, McDonalds, Applebees, a Car Wash, or just about any other employment at the bottom of the pay scale. I think you would find all of them have at least as high a percentage.....
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Jmman
46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid.


I always see this brought up, but why don't we check the same figures from Burger King, McDonalds, Applebees, a Car Wash, or just about any other employment at the bottom of the pay scale. I think you would find all of them have at least as high a percentage.....

Try costco vs sams club for pay scale.

People who jump ship usually recieve at least a $3 increase in pay per hour.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...

If the people working for them think it is such a problem they should go find work elsewhere. Nobody is forcing people to work at Walmart.

In some places, they are forced, i.e. no other place to work.

That is very interesting, how did that come about?
 

Acanthus

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...

If the people working for them think it is such a problem they should go find work elsewhere. Nobody is forcing people to work at Walmart.

In some places, they are forced, i.e. no other place to work.

That is very interesting, how did that come about?

Because walmart will move into a small town and steamroll every business there in under 18 months?

Oh and after that, they raise the prices.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...

If the people working for them think it is such a problem they should go find work elsewhere. Nobody is forcing people to work at Walmart.

In some places, they are forced, i.e. no other place to work.

That is very interesting, how did that come about?

Because walmart will move into a small town and steamroll every business there in under 18 months?

Oh and after that, they raise the prices.


Exactly, people in these small towns go for the best bang for the buck and drive out their own business's to save 10%. At the end of the day they helped create their own problem.
 

maluckey

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ALLL Wal-Mart employees are ofered health care. If you don't take it it's your choice.

I'd wager that at Sears Holding group the same statistics are true as far as how many are insured.

For what it's worth, Wal-Mart doesn't pay minimum wage. I know of not one person that makes minimum that works at ANY Wal-Mart. They certainly don't pay MORE than other companies, but they do pay average.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Exactly, people in these small towns go for the best bang for the buck and drive out their own business's to save 10%. At the end of the day they helped create their own problem.

Bingo.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: maluckey
ALLL Wal-Mart employees are ofered health care. If you don't take it it's your choice.

I'd wager that at Sears Holding group the same statistics are true as far as how many are insured.

For what it's worth, Wal-Mart doesn't pay minimum wage. I know of not one person that makes minimum that works at ANY Wal-Mart. They certainly don't pay MORE than other companies, but they do pay average.

Health care is not offered to part time employees. You must be full time, and you must work there for 1 year to be eligible, and they even screw you on that, when youre eligible, you have to wait for a sign up period in september called "open enrollment".

So if you are hired in June 2004, you are "eligible" for health care in June 2005, but you cant sign up for it until open enrollment in Sept 2005.

And even if you do opt for health care, it was HALF of my pay to insure just myself, at full time, at a sams club (which pays more than walmart). Most people who "opt" not to have it, like myself, simply couldnt afford it.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...

If the people working for them think it is such a problem they should go find work elsewhere. Nobody is forcing people to work at Walmart.

Where else are they going to work? A competing grocery store? A factory? The corner drug store? Hah! Wal-mart ran them all out of business.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...

If the people working for them think it is such a problem they should go find work elsewhere. Nobody is forcing people to work at Walmart.

Where else are they going to work? A competing grocery store? A factory? The corner drug store? Hah! Wal-mart ran them all out of business.

Only because the local population stopped buying from the local business's and went to Walmart.



 

Corn

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: moshquerade
yes...yes...Walmart is the devil

/thread

They're pretty damned bad, when it comes to treating their own works. Not to mention their company forced "morality"...

If the people working for them think it is such a problem they should go find work elsewhere. Nobody is forcing people to work at Walmart.

Where else are they going to work? A competing grocery store? A factory? The corner drug store? Hah! Wal-mart ran them all out of business.

Only because the local population stopped buying from the local business's and went to Walmart.

I do find it oddly amusing when people keep saying that Walmart runs business out of town, when it is actually the consumers who run business out of town. Walmart forces no one into their stores.





 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Corn
I do find it oddly amusing when people keep saying that Walmart runs business out of town, when it is actually the consumers who run business out of town. Walmart forces no one into their stores.

QFT.