Walmart is a great example of Lemon Socialism.

[shira]

Well if she made $10/hr and was working 28 hours a week so Walmart could avoid ACA mandates the numbers line up

Except that the provision requiring employers to provide health insurance for full-time workers won't be in effect until 2014.

Not to mention that the disadvantages of a company converting to non-full-time workforce far outweigh the cost of health insurance.

Nice try, though.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Got to do it the Chinese way and have Walmart provided living like Foxconn does to its slaves.

I meant employees.

 

[shortylickens]

Something doesn't add up. Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr ($15k/year full time) and Washinton state has a minimum wage of $9.04/hr ($18k/year).

What if they only let her work 36 hours a week?
Which would not surprise me cuz they could keep them from getting benefits.

 

[Wreckem]

During my brief 1 week stint with the Cult of Wal Mart back in 2006 I was making $8.75/hr.

But yeah once FICA comes out its more than plausible shes making $14k even at Washington min wage.

 

[nehalem256]

What if they only let her work 36 hours a week?
Which would not surprise me cuz they could keep them from getting benefits.

If you look up the average wage for a customer service manager it is ~$10. Possibly more in Washington because of their higher minimum wage since the scrubs who cannot even make change get $9/hr.

50 * 36 * 10 = $18,000

During my brief 1 week stint with the Cult of Wal Mart back in 2006 I was making $8.75/hr.

But yeah once FICA comes out its more than plausible shes making $14k even at Washington min wage.

The problem is that when people talk about how much they make they always talk about GROSS before any taxes.

And given that she is likely not paying any income taxes and only FICA. She is probably making closer to $17,000 net using the figures above.

EDIT: So the real problem is that she either doesn't have a husband. Or for some reason the sob story about how her husband can't work, was laid off after X years, was left out of the story. I am betting on the former.

 

[Matt1970]

We created Wal-Mart. Our demand for the cheapest possible product no matter where it was manufactured made Wal-Mart what it is. Nobody is forcing you to shop there and nobody is forcing you to work there but let’s just blame what we created all the same.

 

[WackyDan]

Yep, it is true. You have to be dumb to be unable to work above cashier, but many people are dumb and so they can never function beyond that capacity.

Yet the liberals and progressives think that these people should be paid a "living wage" and get full benefits. Makes me wonder who are the bigger idiots.

 

[waggy]

Yep, it is true. You have to be dumb to be unable to work above cashier, but many people are dumb and so they can never function beyond that capacity.

I dissagree that its they are dumb (well besides those that have mental illness). i think its more laziness. People don't want to put the effort in school, homework, etc.

My ex SIL is a great example. she is rather smart but lazy. She got everything handed to her in high school and after (she was very good looking). She dropped out of high school and she floated from one guy to another. none of them were worth a bag of shit.

now the best job she can get is Walmart or a waitress. She tried to get a job working with my ex wife at Chrysler but she couldn't pass the math test wich is VERY basic math.

Sad part is i know a few people like this. They either dropped out of high school to work or just didn't wan't to go. now? they work at shit jobs living shit lives.

I doubt there are many people that are so stupid they can't do the basic math or such. just to lazy to learn it.

And how many plumbers/electricians/construction workers do you need? We are in a housing glut, and there are only so many clogged toilets per day. There's no shortage of people in those trades.

you would be wrong on that. In many places in the US right now there is already a shortage of such workers. Also in the next 3-10 years its going to get worse as more older people retire. There are more retiring then we have in training.

 

[wuliheron]

Got to do it the Chinese way and have Walmart provided living like Foxconn does to its slaves.

I meant employees.

Foxconn is already installing a million robots to replace some of that cheap Chinese labor and by 2014 it's estimated China will have more robots than the US. Forget third world sweatshops, Americans are now competing against third world robots. Within ten years the words "human rights" will gain an entirely new meaning.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I dissagree that its they are dumb (well besides those that have mental illness). i think its more laziness. People don't want to put the effort in school, homework, etc.

My ex SIL is a great example. she is rather smart but lazy. She got everything handed to her in high school and after (she was very good looking). She dropped out of high school and she floated from one guy to another. none of them were worth a bag of shit.

now the best job she can get is Walmart or a waitress. She tried to get a job working with my ex wife at Chrysler but she couldn't pass the math test wich is VERY basic math.

Sad part is i know a few people like this. They either dropped out of high school to work or just didn't wan't to go. now? they work at shit jobs living shit lives.

I doubt there are many people that are so stupid they can't do the basic math or such. just to lazy to learn it.




you would be wrong on that. In many places in the US right now there is already a shortage of such workers. Also in the next 3-10 years its going to get worse as more older people retire. There are more retiring then we have in training.

So she is average at best, I doubt she's anywhere near smart.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I dissagree that its they are dumb (well besides those that have mental illness). i think its more laziness. People don't want to put the effort in school, homework, etc.

My ex SIL is a great example. she is rather smart but lazy. She got everything handed to her in high school and after (she was very good looking). She dropped out of high school and she floated from one guy to another. none of them were worth a bag of shit.

now the best job she can get is Walmart or a waitress. She tried to get a job working with my ex wife at Chrysler but she couldn't pass the math test wich is VERY basic math.

Sad part is i know a few people like this. They either dropped out of high school to work or just didn't wan't to go. now? they work at shit jobs living shit lives.

I doubt there are many people that are so stupid they can't do the basic math or such. just to lazy to learn it.

So basically she's lazy and has worked her way to minimum wage lifestyle.

you would be wrong on that. In many places in the US right now there is already a shortage of such workers. Also in the next 3-10 years its going to get worse as more older people retire. There are more retiring then we have in training.

I agree here. Sadly the amount of people who can't even do even basic math to get into a trade skill apprenticeship program is disgustingly high. The worst part of this issue is that our public educational system is in a desperate need of a huge reform in this nation. However good luck getting any substantial changes outside of just throwing more money at the system to the benefit of the public teachers unions who will fit any reform tooth and nail.

 

[pcgeek11]

Well if she made $10/hr and was working 28 hours a week so Walmart could avoid ACA mandates the numbers line up

Yes thats how it usually works. Its the same story for other big chain stores to avoid paying healthcare benefits by using part time labour.

She said:

"I work full time at the richest company in the world,"

 

[Phokus]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/nov/15/walmart-walkout-action-black-friday

Seattle Walmart worker Sara Gilbert said she had taken the decision to go on strike to protest the fact that she could only make around $14,000 dollars a year. Despite working as a customer service manager, she said, her family remained reliant on food stamps and other benefits. "I work full time at the richest company in the world," she said.


Think about it, if the foodstamps and other federal taxpayer benefits were not around, no one would work for 14K a year at walmart since it would not be enough to survive, so Walmart would be forced to pay higher wages if the wish to attract employees.

But since The government at taxpayers expense pays for the food and other needs of Walmart employees, they can pay 14K and pocket the fat profits.

lol, people work for pennies at sweatshops, do you understand the concept of supply and demand? There would be people desperate enough to take that job even without welfare/food stamps, you idiot.

 

[nehalem256]

I dissagree that its they are dumb (well besides those that have mental illness). i think its more laziness. People don't want to put the effort in school, homework, etc.

My ex SIL is a great example. she is rather smart but lazy. She got everything handed to her in high school and after (she was very good looking). She dropped out of high school and she floated from one guy to another. none of them were worth a bag of shit.

now the best job she can get is Walmart or a waitress. She tried to get a job working with my ex wife at Chrysler but she couldn't pass the math test wich is VERY basic math.

Sad part is i know a few people like this. They either dropped out of high school to work or just didn't wan't to go. now? they work at shit jobs living shit lives.

I doubt there are many people that are so stupid they can't do the basic math or such. just to lazy to learn it.

So she is stupid both regard to her personal and career life. Thank God we have Democrats around to protect her right to make choices about her body and life!

 

[nehalem256]

She said:

"I work full time at the richest company in the world,"

So the she is without a doubt lying about the amount of money she makes.

Also lying about walmart being the richest company in the world.

 

[Ausm]

Don't like 70% of Walmart's "employees" use food stamps? Where's the Rightwing outrage here or is this the "Free Market" in action fucking over the U.S Taxpayer?

 

[diesbudt]

Foxconn is already installing a million robots to replace some of that cheap Chinese labor and by 2014 it's estimated China will have more robots than the US. Forget third world sweatshops, Americans are now competing against third world robots. Within ten years the words "human rights" will gain an entirely new meaning.

The robots will get tired of working in a 3rd world country for free.

They will rebel sometime down the road, making a large war machine to try and conquer the world, using Skynet as its primary weapon.

We will rise up behind a man named John conner, to try and defeat them.

They thus will send back in time a robot to try and terminate him to prevent our success in keeping the robots as slaves.

 

[Genx87]

What did people think would happen when enacting regulation that affected the bottom line of producers that supply Walmart? Of course they are goign to go where they can to maxmize profits. That means going to lower cost countries. We cant wave a magic wand and think because we are America that we can have strict envrionment and labor law and keep costs low.

 

[nehalem256]

What did people think would happen when enacting regulation that affected the bottom line of producers that supply Walmart? Of course they are goign to go where they can to maxmize profits. That means going to lower cost countries. We cant wave a magic wand and think because we are America that we can have strict envrionment and labor law and keep costs low.

Didn't you pay attention to the Denny's and Papa John's threads liberalism is based on sticking their head into the sand about any potential consequences to their laws.

And then threatening boycott's against anyone who has the audacity to point them out.

 

[Olikan]

Although the scary thing might be that liberals apparently think that women who cannot make basic change from a cash register should be allowed to make choices about their body that have a profound affect on society.

it's more scary at how she would raise the child...or what it would become

 

[Bowfinger]

Don't like 70% of Walmart's "employees" use food stamps? Where's the Rightwing outrage here or is this the "Free Market" in action fucking over the U.S Taxpayer?

As I mentioned in another thread, Walmart is a great counter-example to those who claim the wealthy do not get back as much in taxes as they pay in. I'd say the Walton heirs are being handsomely subsidized by Uncle Sam, the biggest welfare queens of all.

 

[Bowfinger]

What did people think would happen when enacting regulation that affected the bottom line of producers that supply Walmart? Of course they are goign to go where they can to maxmize profits. That means going to lower cost countries. We cant wave a magic wand and think because we are America that we can have strict envrionment and labor law and keep costs low.

We certainly could if we imposed proportionate tariffs on goods and services from those countries that don't match our first-world standards. Of course that can lead to other issues, but I'm beginning to think it's the only way the U.S. might possibly escape from this continuing race to the bottom. If we continue on the current path, we're going to be little more than another third-world country with a baron class, a relatively small white collar middle class, and a huge lower class living in permanent poverty, just like their peers in Asia.

 

[Geosurface]

We get it, a woman doesn't know how to take care of herself without a husband to show her what to do.

I was raised for most of my childhood by my mother with only occasional contact with my father. She was born in 1947 so she was very much the right age in the 60's and 70's to buy into the feminist movement and cultural revolution in many ways. She didn't do drugs at all, but she was definitely one of those intellectual progressives and a strong feminist. She still is.

She raised my brother and I to respect women and value multiculturalism, education, equality, feminism.

I still respect SOME of the goals of feminism to this day. I respect the desire for equality. I respect the fact that some women are driven to work outside the home and compete in just about every field imaginable, whether it be wall street, NASA, coal mining... whatever.

I'm glad we as a culture moved to a point where those women who wanted to pursue those goals have the option to. That is a really positive development.

HOWEVER:

I think the feminist movement lost sight of it's legitimate goals and was corrupted by radicals who did not want equality but rather wanted to simply turn the tables. I also think that gender is a very real thing and that MOST boys and girls have built in preferences and inclinations. I think men are better suited to certain professions, especially at certain levels within those professions... than women are. And vice versa.

I think a lot of average, normal women who weren't really particularly dissatisfied with the old ways of stay at home mother, homemaker, child-raiser were CONVINCED that they were dissatisfied with that paradigm by the small core of militant, radical feminists who dragged them along on this cultural upturning which has had HUGELY negative effects on the happiness of both men and women, the stability of the family, and the entire western culture. Many of that core in the radical feminist movement were and are lesbians, I FULLY SYMPATHIZE WITH THEM. How much would it suck to effectively be born in the wrong gender body and then have all your instincts about what you want to do with your life thwarted by a society that didn't take someone like you into account?

A correction to account for people like that (and yes some entirely heterosexual women with similar motivations and desires!) WAS NECESSARY AND I'M GLAD WE MADE SAID CORRECTION.

However, at this point it has become an over-correction. We have gone too far in the other direction and we're suffering as a society for it.

Men and boys are in a crisis, our education system has been changed fundamentally in ways that no longer work for boys nearly as well. Boys are struggling in school horrendously, and high school and college graduation for boys is plummeting. Women primarily are avoiding the hard sciences and degrees WHICH WE NEED PEOPLE IN TO SUSTAIN OUR TECHNOLOGICAL CIVILIZATION WE ALL HAVE GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO, LET ALONE TO ADVANCE IT. Schools are becoming worse at offering such education to those who do still seek it.

There is a reason an astounding percentage of young women now are on anti-depressants. They were duped into a cultural revolution most of them didn't want, and it's becoming increasingly clear that most of them don't want it now. They'll give lip service to it still because they don't want to admit it, but more and more are admitting it. Many more than that FEEL something is wrong but haven't connected the dots. Same among men.

Gee, what a surprise that the gender roles and norms established over tens of thousands of years for our species turn out to have something to them?

The only reason our society is still (barely) sustaining itself despite this ceaseless assault on it's foundation is that that foundation took so long to build, for a while we will still limp along with enough males still doing the necessary tasks to make the civilization operate... but we have more and more people who no longer understand or appreciate the necessary basic tasks, the hard work, that allows a civilization to function and for it to sustain a class of disconnected, ivory-tower naval-gazers who seek to destroy it without realizing what they do.

Consider for just a moment how many buildings, STRUCTURES have ever been built in the history of our planet with no male involvement? Or how many factories run with no male involvement? How many cars, televisions, phones, computers, roads, dams, you name it... how many have happened with no male involvement and how many have happened with no female involvement?

Almost no building has ever been constructed solely with female labor/planning/ etc. It may even literally be NO building, but I suspect there are probably a couple of exceptions. Maybe.

Anyway I've rambled enough and I realize the point of what I'm saying may be getting a bit fuzzy, but here is a really fantastic video I cannot encourage you or anyone else to watch enough, this lady makes some very, very good points:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHvcFzzUues

 

[nehalem256]

We certainly could if we imposed proportionate tariffs on goods and services from those countries that don't match our first-world standards. Of course that can lead to other issues, but I'm beginning to think it's the only way the U.S. might possibly escape from this continuing race to the bottom. If we continue on the current path, we're going to be little more than another third-world country with a baron class, a relatively small white collar middle class, and a huge lower class living in permanent poverty, just like their peers in Asia.

And if someone is incapable of even the most basic math required to work at Chrysler how do you expect them to escape poverty?

 

[soulcougher73]

It's true that the gov subsidizes these companies to an extent, even in this roundabout way.

BTW some people just are not smart enough to work in a capacity beyond menial walmart type stuff. They simply can't hack something that requires much thinking--including trades. And, yes, they will keep sh*ting out kids regardless.

This. Reality is a bitch. Got to accept it and work within these boundaries. Well unless you want to just off them.