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Looking for a TV for the new place. Looking to get the best bang for the buck 42-50" led tv. We don't watch a lot of TV, mostly HD videos from my file server and netflix.

I choose Walmart because of there super cheap extended warranties and I can get a small discount :). So far, I've been looking at Vizio, TCL, HiSense, Seiki, ProScan and Sanyo brands.

When I was Kmart and saw the ProScan set, it really surprised me. The picture was so natural looking and clear, unlike the other sets that were over saturated and dark, but I know that can be adjusted. I've read that ProScan has a bit of QC issues tho.

Just looking for some opinions.
 
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I'm a fan of Vizio for budget conscious buyers. They have consistent quality and many models measure very well for input lag and the like.
 
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Just make sure its 120hz. Brand doesn't matter as much as 120hz if you are going to watch movies from your computer on there.
 
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poofyhairguy said:
Just make sure its 120hz. Brand doesn't matter as much as 120hz if you are going to watch movies from your computer on there.
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120 Hz is something that 99.9% of HDTV enthusiasts ask you to turn off. Have you never been to AVSForum?

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Doesnt 120hz cause that futuristic movement effect on movies..? Ill pass
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It does something like this yes. 99% of the time I just want to BASH the TV in. You definitely want it off like every person on the internet recommends. It was a nice couple hundred dollars I saved not having to get a TV with 120Hz.

Also, like someone said before, it doesn't enable 120Hz from your PC most of the time. A LOT of 120Hz tvs actually don't achieve true 120 Hz also. I could go further but I really would have to brush up on the articles.
 
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the fake 120Hz is what most enthusiasts ask you to turn off.
That said, 120Hz TVs add some extra cost, and they're usually marketed as 3d TVs
 
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fralexandr said:
the fake 120Hz is what most enthusiasts ask you to turn off.
That said, 120Hz TVs add some extra cost, and they're usually marketed as 3d TVs
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Which is what most HDTVs are fake 120hz. Especially at OPs price range/quality range.
 
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There are several vizio 3d 120Hz tvs for ~$700, though the OP didn't post a budget range. They would be a ~$200 premium over 60Hz panels and the OP may or may not care that much about the frame interpolation.

I find it annoying how hard it is to determine if something is actually 120Hz or truemotion/etc fakery :\
 
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jae said:
Doesnt 120hz cause that futuristic movement effect on movies..? Ill pass
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No that's the motion interpolation. Sony calls theirs motionflow, samsung calls it auto motion plus. You can turn that off.

My Sony KDL55W900A was $2000 and advertises itself as 240hz. When I plug it into my PC via HDMI I can only select 60hz. As far as motion goes there are a few different options for motionflow and they have various levels of smoothness. Smoothness is what gives you the "soap opera effect". Where the image seems to be simulated 3D and pops out a bit losing it's film quality. Some settings don't give the soap opera effect and do help with the motion somewhat. Still, next time you're at the theater when you're watching a movie take a look at the motion jitter you can see. It's not natural to our eyes to have perfectly smooth motion without any jitter when the camera is panning since we are used to having 24fps film. A lot of people were put off by the Hobbit at 48fps because it doesn't appear to be "correct" to our eyes since we are not used to viewing movies that way. We would be used to smooth motion if we got motion blur with it like some games have.
 
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Best bang for your buck is vizio by far. The proscan Seiko rca TVs are cheap and not good quality picture wise
 
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Its a cheap set, I can only imagine what they skimp on inside of it to make the price so low.
 
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A 50 inch is still $499 for a proscan I'd feel much better spending a little more getting a TV from a more reputable brand
 
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jae said:
I swear the proscan on display rivaled the Samsung and Toshibas on display. Maybe I need my eyes checked lol.
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Honestly, a lot of people probably cannot tell the difference between most sets.
 
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Bman123 said:
A 50 inch is still $499 for a proscan I'd feel much better spending a little more getting a TV from a more reputable brand
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Its a cheap set, I can only imagine what they skimp on inside of it to make the price so low.
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True! At this point I think Ill wait for slickdeal on a Vizio. How are HiSense and TCL brands though? If I don't find a deal it'll probably be one of those.
 
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What size and price range are you trying to get? I'll find something and link it here for you
 
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cmdrdredd said:
Still, next time you're at the theater when you're watching a movie take a look at the motion jitter you can see. It's not natural to our eyes to have perfectly smooth motion without any jitter when the camera is panning since we are used to having 24fps film. A lot of people were put off by the Hobbit at 48fps because it doesn't appear to be "correct" to our eyes since we are not used to viewing movies that way. We would be used to smooth motion if we got motion blur with it like some games have.
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Jitter is unnatural. Its just what we are used to with video. Its kinda of interesting if you read up on VR HMD and the lengths they have to go to remove jitter to increase presence. I actually kinda like the whole 'soap opera' effect. Once you get over it being different it feels much closer to being on set. Only big issue is that it interpolation. That can cause some weird artifacts and on scene cuts you get some jumps as it resets the interpolation engine. I sorts of wonder if you were running it on a high end PC like you'd use for a MadVR setup if it would look better. Not much processing power in the TV comparatively.
 
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Midwayman said:
Jitter is unnatural. Its just what we are used to with video. Its kinda of interesting if you read up on VR HMD and the lengths they have to go to remove jitter to increase presence. I actually kinda like the whole 'soap opera' effect. Once you get over it being different it feels much closer to being on set. Only big issue is that it interpolation. That can cause some weird artifacts and on scene cuts you get some jumps as it resets the interpolation engine. I sorts of wonder if you were running it on a high end PC like you'd use for a MadVR setup if it would look better. Not much processing power in the TV comparatively.
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It needs motion blur like you would get in real life when moving your head side to side.
 
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cmdrdredd said:
TV cannot do 120hz refresh rate from PC.
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Doesn't matter. All that matters is 24fps (aka the framerate movies have been shot in for almost a century) divides into 120 and not 60.

jae said:
Doesnt 120hz cause that futuristic movement effect on movies..? Ill pass
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No, 120hz allows you to watch movies without dealing with 3:2 pulldown- aka how it would be in a theater.

What you are talking about is frame interpolation which is an effect many 120hz TVs have but can be turned off.

The optimal way to view things is on a 120Hz TV (or plasma) with the interpolation turned off.

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120 Hz is something that 99.9% of HDTV enthusiasts ask you to turn off. Have you never been to AVSForum?
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Yes, I spend a lot of time there. I wonder if you have, because if you did you would know the difference between frame interpolation and refresh rate

It does something like this yes. 99% of the time I just want to BASH the TV in. You definitely want it off like every person on the internet recommends. It was a nice couple hundred dollars I saved not having to get a TV with 120Hz.
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Frame interpolation can be turned off. You can NEVER make a 60hz TV properly display content without 3:2 pulldown. There will ALWAYS be a haze to a 60hz TV a 120hz TV doesn't have.

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Which is what most HDTVs are fake 120hz. Especially at OPs price range/quality range.
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Not true, mixed in sometimes are real 120hz sets.

Here is a Visio at Walmart in OP's size range that is 120hz:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/VIZIO-M471...-HDTV/23991017

I don't know how big of a discount OP gets.
 
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