Wall Street Journal: India graduates millions, but too few are fit to hire

yllus

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The Wall Street Journal has an interesting look from the perspective of the company 24/7 Customer Pvt. Ltd. as they attempt to hire high school and university graduates for their call centre positions. The central thesis seems to be that a lack of educational system reform and rampant cheating are creating a gulf between the skills employers require and the quality of workers schools are churning out. Hopefully this can be addressed, as an enormous population with no job prospects is bound to lead to trouble.

Wall Street Journal - India Graduates Millions, but Too Few Are Fit to Hire

BANGALORE, India—Call-center company 24/7 Customer Pvt. Ltd. is desperate to find new recruits who can answer questions by phone and email. It wants to hire 3,000 people this year. Yet in this country of 1.2 billion people, that is beginning to look like an impossible goal.

So few of the high school and college graduates who come through the door can communicate effectively in English, and so many lack a grasp of educational basics such as reading comprehension, that the company can hire just three out of every 100 applicants.

India projects an image of a nation churning out hundreds of thousands of students every year who are well educated, a looming threat to the better-paid middle-class workers of the West. Their abilities in math have been cited by President Barack Obama as a reason why the U.S. is facing competitive challenges.

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On the surface, India appears to have met the demand for more educated workers with a quantum leap in graduates. Engineering colleges in India now have seats for 1.5 million students, nearly four times the 390,000 available in 2000, according to the National Association of Software and Services Companies, a trade group.

But 75% of technical graduates and more than 85% of general graduates are unemployable by India's high-growth global industries, including information technology and call centers, according to results from assessment tests administered by the group.

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At 24/7 Customer's recruiting center on a recent afternoon, 40 people were filling out forms in an interior lobby filled with bucket seats. In a glass-walled conference room, a human-resources executive interviewed a group of seven applicants. Six were recent college graduates, and one said he was enrolled in a correspondence degree program.

One by one, they delivered biographical monologues in halting English. The interviewer interrupted one young man who spoke so fast, it was hard to tell what he was saying. The young man was instructed to compose himself and start from the beginning. He tried again, speaking just as fast, and was rejected after the first round.

Another applicant, Rajan Kumar, said he earned a bachelor's degree in engineering a couple of years ago. His hobby is watching cricket, he said, and his strength is punctuality. The interviewer, noting his engineering degree, asked why he isn't trying to get a job in a technical field, to which he replied: "Right now, I'm here." This explanation was judged inadequate, and Mr. Kumar was eliminated, too.

A 22-year-old man named Chaudhury Laxmikant Dash, who graduated last year, also with a bachelor's in engineering, said he's a game-show winner whose hobby is international travel. But when probed by the interviewer, he conceded, "Until now I have not traveled." Still, he made it through the first-round interview, along with two others, a woman and a man who filled out his application with just one name, Robinson.

For their next challenge, they had to type 25 words a minute. The woman typed a page only to learn her pace was too slow at 18 words a minute. Mr. Dash, sweating and hunched over, couldn't get his score high enough, despite two attempts.

Only Mr. Robinson moved on to the third part of the test, featuring a single paragraph about nuclear war followed by three multiple-choice questions. Mr. Robinson stared at the screen, immobilized. With his failure to pass the comprehension section, the last of the original group of applicants was eliminated.

The average graduate's "ability to comprehend and converse is very low," says Satya Sai Sylada, 24/7 Customer's head of hiring for India. "That's the biggest challenge we face."
 

Infohawk

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Sounds like English is their problem?

So they suck at English?

Did even read the excerpt? That's one of the problems, but the larger problem is misrepresentation of skills they simply don't have.

The problem with the up-and-coming third world is they tend to produce cookie-cutter people who just want to say what their parents and prospective employers want to here. It comes out as bogus in interviews like these. Imagine the choice between an American engineer and a third world engineer. The American engineer probably likes engineering and math and science. He/she had the choice to be in a band in high school or to play sports but ultimately decided to do engineering. Meanwhile the third-world engineer and has been forced to do it by his/her parents and society. Most people are going to hire the American engineer until you consider the wages the third-worlders are willing to work for.
 

CanOWorms

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I read a very interesting article last year regarding this situation, but it also discussed other countries. I recall a similar crazy number of unemployable graduates in China, and also Western countries like France. I don't remember the exact number, but they have an outrageous % of students graduating with philosophy degrees that were not considered to be useful in employment.

I think that the US has a strong advantage in its hybrid Western/Eastern/Other character. We do have some flaws, for example Western culture tends to demonize technical fields, but it seems that in the US technology may become "cool" again with the rise of non-Western influence in the mainstream culture. This just shows that diversity is a real strength.
 

RbSX

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How is this news. You couldn't pay me to hire an India.

Yeah your opinion doesn't count.

A) Apparently you can't speak English either.
B) Australians have had a nasty habit of killing East Indians studying in Australia lately.

Kind of undermines your position, or lack thereof.
 

RocksteadyDotNet

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Yeah your opinion doesn't count.

A) Apparently you can't speak English either.
B) Australians have had a nasty habit of killing East Indians studying in Australia lately.

Kind of undermines your position, or lack thereof.

A) On noes, I forgot a question mark!
B) LOL @ Indian butthurt for being such a hated people.

If we suck so much why do you guys fall over one another to come here?
 

shira

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How is this news. You couldn't pay me to hire an Indian.

Why not? Do you really believe there are no Indians worth hiring?

I've worked with plenty of technically-excellent Indians who do good work. I'm talking about professionals in IT, engineering, and physics. And their English skills are fine.
 

Zebo

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Sounds like a good business opportunity to me. Go over there with a system & teach em proper English...
 

RocksteadyDotNet

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Why not? Do you really believe there are no Indians worth hiring?

I've worked with plenty of technically-excellent Indians who do good work. I'm talking about professionals in IT, engineering, and physics. And their English skills are fine.

Because they're useless.
 

kranky

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I've worked with very good people from India and some who weren't so good, just like with Americans.

The statement about rampant cheating is true about Americans as well. I have looked at candidates who clearly cheated their way through college. I see more and more people who seem to think doing the least amount of work possible is the ideal way to get through college.
 

CLite

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How is this news. You couldn't pay me to hire an Indian.

This is quite hilarious because as I was reading this article I was reminded of a country I did study abroad in, Australia.

I did mechanical engineering in the university of Melbourne for a 6 month period, supposedly a top 40 world-wide university at the time. It was a fucking joke, all the Australians rampantantly cheated, everyone had exams from previous years (and exams pretty much used the same problems from past years), and homework was always just passed around. The assignments were easy as shit, and the tests were a joke so I am not quite sure why everyone had to cheat so badly.

Coming out of that experience I was amazed they had such a high ranking, dozens of small engineering schools in the USA have to be better than that. I was also amazed they actually were able to build anything using their engineering students.
 

freegeeks

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one of the biggest problems in India is the corruption on all levels of society.
There is a big scandal right now about airline pilots who bribe their way into the cockpit. Think again if you fly Air India, Indigo, Jet Airways, ...
The guy or gal in the front of the Airbus or Boeing may not be qualified, apparantly, this is just the tip of the iceberg, they are talking about putting all Indian carriers on the US and EU blacklist, just like they did with the Indonesian airlines

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...ces-for-cheating/story-e6frfku0-1226028351043
 
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Svnla

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I think this is why the stinking rich/wealthy in Asia (China/India/Vietnam/Thailand/etc.) are sending their kids to America and get their college degrees here.
 

Moonbeam

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Why not? Do you really believe there are no Indians worth hiring?

I've worked with plenty of technically-excellent Indians who do good work. I'm talking about professionals in IT, engineering, and physics. And their English skills are fine.

My guess is because he's a bigoted idiot.
 

sunzt

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I think this is why the stinking rich/wealthy in Asia (China/India/Vietnam/Thailand/etc.) are sending their kids to America and get their college degrees here.

At least the ones who can't get into their country's top schools such as China's Qinghua and Shanghai Jaiotong (sp).
 

Texashiker

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Can not type 25 words in one minute? Wow, where did they go to school at? Did the schools even have computers?

Maybe the schools should get some computers and teach some classes in how to conduct yourself while in a professional environment?
 

Vette73

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Can not type 25 words in one minute? Wow, where did they go to school at? Did the schools even have computers?

Maybe the schools should get some computers and teach some classes in how to conduct yourself while in a professional environment?


Can you type 25words a minute in vietnamese? Same thing, its not their native lang. If they had degrees in english I could understand.