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Wall Street facing biggest round of job cuts since the burst of the tech bubble.

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
I've seen the statement that Wall St. workers are being bailed out on the American taxpayer's dime. I think this article should shed some light on the reverberations of this little crisis on the banking industry itself.

Wall Street faces job carnage

NEW YORK -- Wall Street is being hit by the biggest round of job cuts since the burst of the tech bubble.

Zapped by the home mortgage market meltdown, the economy's slump and the stock market's gyrations, big banks and other financial institutions in New York already have handed out as many as 34,000 pink slips. Yesterday, New York City's Independent Budget Office (IBO) predicted the city could see at least another 20,000 financial services job losses over the next two years.

That estimate doesn't factor in Bear Stearns Cos.' near collapse 10 days ago. The beleaguered investment bank's 14,000 workforce could be chopped in half after it's acquired by JPMorgan Chase & Co.

"Basically, banks can't afford to keep people in place if they're not producing anything," said Mr. Bove. "As business slows down, [banks] will fire some and then fire more later...I can remember working at firms where every Friday for something like a year people were fired."

The loss of such high-paying jobs spells bad news for the rest of New York.

The IBO calculates that for every Wall Street job cut, another three or four jobs will be lost in the city.

"It is clear that when you lose [Wall Street] jobs it just reverberates throughout the economy," said IBO spokesman Doug Turetsky. "The high-income earners are the ones buying condos and eating out at restaurants and shopping. They have a fair amount of disposable income. When that buying power goes away, you feel it in a lot of other sectors."

In the past nine months, big banks including Morgan Stanley, Citigroup Inc. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. have chopped as many as 34,000 jobs, according to data collected by Bloomberg LP. In the aftermath of the 2000 tech wreck, 39,800 positions were trimmed in the same period. During the next two years, which included a further economic and stock-market slump in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the number of Wall Street job losses surged to 90,000, according to data from the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association.

For New York, the IBO projects this year will see the steepest cuts, with 12,600 losses projected, followed by 7,600 next year.

Banks and brokerages account for nearly 35% of all salaries and wages in New York.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
.bombs

.bombs, that made me laugh. 😀

It would seem Wall Street has a very short memory. That, and/or the bankers who lost everything in 2001-2002 all jumped out a window or went postal killing themselves.
 
Unfortunately only the lower tier workers will probably get canned while upper management won't feel the pinch at all. Sucks to be them but they did this to themselves.
 
Originally posted by: CalvinHobbes
Unfortunately only the lower tier workers will probably get canned while upper management won't feel the pinch at all. Sucks to be them but they did this to themselves.

Not quite.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Wait, how can they be cutting more jobs than the .bombs if the Fed is "bailing" them out?

The fed bailed the banks out for what they did in the past. That doesn't mean they are going to need as many wiz kids coming up with "innovative" financial products going forward.
 
I don't have much sympathy, much like the people embroiled in the .bombs (love that, incidentally) back in the '90s. TINSTAAFL. The party is over -- find a real job.

I read an article the other day in the paper from The New York Times News Service, and it was saying how some of the folks from Bear Stearns were *GASP* being forced to sell their weekend homes or their second cars. I'm not kidding -- the tone of the article was serious, not a parody. It also mentioned psychological counseling for Bear Stearns employees who saw their fortunes disappear with the stock valuation in the sale (when it was given as $2/share). One former CEO had his options go to ONLY $24 million. I really, really felt for his plight...
 
Originally posted by: senseamp

The fed bailed the banks out for what they did in the past. That doesn't mean they are going to need as many wiz kids coming up with "innovative" financial products going forward.

What's the latest one.. buying life insurance policies from wholesalers..
 
As usual the slobs at the top responsible for the present debacle will keep their job and maintain their below-average performance.
 
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
.bombs

.bombs, that made me laugh. 😀

It would seem Wall Street has a very short memory. That, and/or the bankers who lost everything in 2001-2002 all jumped out a window or went postal killing themselves.

Youre right. People forget how devistating the dot com bust actually was. The bay area ALONE lost 200,000 jobs in two years. In the 4 months proceeding the fall, the losses exceeded 5 TRILLION dollars. This is a blip.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
As usual the slobs at the top responsible for the present debacle will keep their job and maintain their below-average performance.

no, i think they all got nice severance packages worth a few hundred mil
 
What a crock. Whoever did this story and gave interviews is dreaming. Look at this:

The loss of such high-paying jobs spells bad news for the rest of New York.

The IBO calculates that for every Wall Street job cut, another three or four jobs will be lost in the city.

"It is clear that when you lose [Wall Street] jobs it just reverberates throughout the economy," said IBO spokesman Doug Turetsky. "The high-income earners are the ones buying condos and eating out at restaurants and shopping. They have a fair amount of disposable income. When that buying power goes away, you feel it in a lot of other sectors."



What? that's the model of trickle down economics, and we all know THAT doesnt work. This article loses credibilty.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
.bombs

.bombs, that made me laugh. 😀

It would seem Wall Street has a very short memory. That, and/or the bankers who lost everything in 2001-2002 all jumped out a window or went postal killing themselves.

Youre right. People forget how devistating the dot com bust actually was. The bay area ALONE lost 200,000 jobs in two years. In the 4 months proceeding the fall, the losses exceeded 5 TRILLION dollars. This is a blip.

Hahaha.... no. 🙁

It's just that the Wall Street losses described in this thread are a small part of the overall picture. There were something like 200,000 jobs lost in mortgage and real estate from this last year. Wall Street is just the latest domino to fall.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
What a crock. Whoever did this story and gave interviews is dreaming. Look at this:

The loss of such high-paying jobs spells bad news for the rest of New York.

The IBO calculates that for every Wall Street job cut, another three or four jobs will be lost in the city.

"It is clear that when you lose [Wall Street] jobs it just reverberates throughout the economy," said IBO spokesman Doug Turetsky. "The high-income earners are the ones buying condos and eating out at restaurants and shopping. They have a fair amount of disposable income. When that buying power goes away, you feel it in a lot of other sectors."



What? that's the model of trickle down economics, and we all know THAT doesnt work. This article loses credibilty.

Do you quite realize how NYC works?
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: blackangst1
What a crock. Whoever did this story and gave interviews is dreaming. Look at this:

The loss of such high-paying jobs spells bad news for the rest of New York.

The IBO calculates that for every Wall Street job cut, another three or four jobs will be lost in the city.

"It is clear that when you lose [Wall Street] jobs it just reverberates throughout the economy," said IBO spokesman Doug Turetsky. "The high-income earners are the ones buying condos and eating out at restaurants and shopping. They have a fair amount of disposable income. When that buying power goes away, you feel it in a lot of other sectors."



What? that's the model of trickle down economics, and we all know THAT doesnt work. This article loses credibilty.

Do you quite realize how NYC works?

I think he's being sarcastic.

In other news, applications for b-school sky rocket...
 
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
"Basically, banks can't afford to keep people in place if they're not producing anything," said Mr. Bove.

So on Wall Street it takes an economic meltdown to lay off employees who aren't productive?

Of course - they've got to protect their backs too, don't you know.
 
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: blackangst1
What a crock. Whoever did this story and gave interviews is dreaming. Look at this:

The loss of such high-paying jobs spells bad news for the rest of New York.

The IBO calculates that for every Wall Street job cut, another three or four jobs will be lost in the city.

"It is clear that when you lose [Wall Street] jobs it just reverberates throughout the economy," said IBO spokesman Doug Turetsky. "The high-income earners are the ones buying condos and eating out at restaurants and shopping. They have a fair amount of disposable income. When that buying power goes away, you feel it in a lot of other sectors."



What? that's the model of trickle down economics, and we all know THAT doesnt work. This article loses credibilty.

Do you quite realize how NYC works?

check your meter sir. I'll try and include sarcasm tags next time 😀
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
.bombs

.bombs, that made me laugh. 😀

It would seem Wall Street has a very short memory. That, and/or the bankers who lost everything in 2001-2002 all jumped out a window or went postal killing themselves.

Youre right. People forget how devistating the dot com bust actually was. The bay area ALONE lost 200,000 jobs in two years. In the 4 months proceeding the fall, the losses exceeded 5 TRILLION dollars. This is a blip.

Hahaha.... no. 🙁

It's just that the Wall Street losses described in this thread are a small part of the overall picture. There were something like 200,000 jobs lost in mortgage and real estate from this last year. Wall Street is just the latest domino to fall.

uh yes. Last year the highest unemployment we had was 4.8%. Jan it was 4.9%. The last 2 years of Bush Sr and the first 2 years of Clinton we went over 7% and boy the economy was GREAT! We've seen 11% in our lifetimes and the friggin US economy hiccuped and recovered. We're fine.

this is a blip.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
.bombs

.bombs, that made me laugh. 😀

It would seem Wall Street has a very short memory. That, and/or the bankers who lost everything in 2001-2002 all jumped out a window or went postal killing themselves.

Youre right. People forget how devistating the dot com bust actually was. The bay area ALONE lost 200,000 jobs in two years. In the 4 months proceeding the fall, the losses exceeded 5 TRILLION dollars. This is a blip.

Hahaha.... no. 🙁

It's just that the Wall Street losses described in this thread are a small part of the overall picture. There were something like 200,000 jobs lost in mortgage and real estate from this last year. Wall Street is just the latest domino to fall.

uh yes. Last year the highest unemployment we had was 4.8%. Jan it was 4.9%. The last 2 years of Bush Sr and the first 2 years of Clinton we went over 7% and boy the economy was GREAT! We've seen 11% in our lifetimes and the friggin US economy hiccuped and recovered. We're fine.

this is a blip.

You realize those numbers are almost worthless, right? I'm not even going to get into that, just that if you think this is a blip compared to the dot stupid, well... you be trippin'.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
.bombs

.bombs, that made me laugh. 😀

It would seem Wall Street has a very short memory. That, and/or the bankers who lost everything in 2001-2002 all jumped out a window or went postal killing themselves.

Youre right. People forget how devistating the dot com bust actually was. The bay area ALONE lost 200,000 jobs in two years. In the 4 months proceeding the fall, the losses exceeded 5 TRILLION dollars. This is a blip.

Hahaha.... no. 🙁

It's just that the Wall Street losses described in this thread are a small part of the overall picture. There were something like 200,000 jobs lost in mortgage and real estate from this last year. Wall Street is just the latest domino to fall.

uh yes. Last year the highest unemployment we had was 4.8%. Jan it was 4.9%. The last 2 years of Bush Sr and the first 2 years of Clinton we went over 7% and boy the economy was GREAT! We've seen 11% in our lifetimes and the friggin US economy hiccuped and recovered. We're fine.

this is a blip.

You realize those numbers are almost worthless, right? I'm not even going to get into that, just that if you think this is a blip compared to the dot stupid, well... you be trippin'.

It is what it is. I havent seen unemployment numbers like they were 2001-2003 and neither have you.

*shrug* whatever though.
 
Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Truthfully, 20K jobs in a city the size of NY doesnt seem like a whole lot.

In a city where so much money is made?

Let's say an average salary of 150k. That's 3bn in income gone.

That's about 120MM in city tax and about 870MM in federal taxes. About another 200MM in state tax. Not to mention sales taxes.
 
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