Issues are too far apart to be connected thru a deal.
Better deal is 5B for now with a permanent DACA fix, permanent not we’ll delay deportations until next year and we’ll figure something out by then.
Anything less than citizenship for DACA at this point is unlikely to fly with the Dems.
Trump isn't interested in any give and take on immigration. Only take.
Idiot could have made the wall deal last year but blew that or gotten the GOP congress to give him the money (didn't even ask).
Hasn't that already been offered? At this point Dems are just making this a bigger issue than it needs to be considering the microscopic budget of this.
I'm fairly sure they have been lenient on offering concessions related to DACA.
As another poster already pointed this was already on the table and Trump fucked it up.Hasn't that already been offered? At this point Dems are just making this a bigger issue than it needs to be considering the microscopic budget of this.
I'm fairly sure they have been lenient on offering concessions related to DACA.
This would be a gross muddying of the waters and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory should a Democrat in Congress propose it. Gun control is a losing issue for the Dems and most of them have figured that out.A Border wall (like the original 25 billion proposed concrete) in exchange for a national gun control law similar to the New York State "SAFE ACT" would you be in favor of it??
Nope.
I'm in favor for opening the government, then sitting down and talking (with experts of all sorts, including the border patrol themselves) about what kind of actual crisis we have. Then we can discuss the most effective solution for it, if anything other than what we have is needed.
I don't think that is too much to ask of the government. Hell we pretty much do things that way in a mid-size IT department. Identify the problem/goal, establish the scope, determine a cost, estimate time needed, do the work!
These issues are complex enough on their own, we don't need to conflate them.
No. A wall and border security and immigration reform and e verification with teeth in exchange for amnesty and path to citizenship for illegals currently here with no criminal records. That’s a fair trade on things very relevant to one another.
Nope.
Trump had a DACA for wall money deal last year with Schumer but after they agreed Trump came back and demanded cuts to legal immigration and the deal collapsed.
Due to President Trumps behavior this really isn’t about the wall anymore.
It’s about hostage taking.
If the democrats give in now then holding the government hostage works.
Look I’m affected by this shutdown as much or more than almost anyone on this board. If the Dems gave in i go back to work and I get paid for the work I’m doing for free now, so I have a lot to gain. The reason I’m against that (besides it being a waste and against our ideals) is because I understand that the next time Trump wants anything we're furloughed again.
This isn’t a rubber stamping House any more. They are not going to give him more tax cuts for the rich, fire Muelller and make Jared the next special prosecutor, vote for Trump Primae-Noctis or whatever crazy shit Rush Limbaugh tells him to do. So he’s going to have plenty of reasons to want to fallback on what’s worked in the past. So it needs to not work.
The United States doesn’t negotiate with hostage takers. If he wants to negotiate he can do it like every other President.
I can't fathom that as a country you are contemplating spending $30 billion on a completely useless wall. At all. It's just so stupid.
*glances sideways at Brexit*
Well, could be worse.
Why? That makes no sense.
Due to President Trumps behavior this really isn’t about the wall anymore.
It’s about hostage taking.
If the democrats give in now then holding the government hostage works.
Look I’m affected by this shutdown as much or more than almost anyone on this board. If the Dems gave in i go back to work and I get paid for the work I’m doing for free now, so I have a lot to gain. The reason I’m against that (besides it being a waste and against our ideals) is because I understand that the next time Trump wants anything we're furloughed again.
This isn’t a rubber stamping House any more. They are not going to give him more tax cuts for the rich, fire Muelller and make Jared the next special prosecutor, vote for Trump Primae-Noctis or whatever crazy shit Rush Limbaugh tells him to do. So he’s going to have plenty of reasons to want to fallback on what’s worked in the past. So it needs to not work.
The United States doesn’t negotiate with hostage takers. If he wants to negotiate he can do it like every other President.