Wall and Border Security in exchange for Gun Control

echo4747

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A Border wall (like the original 25 billion proposed concrete) in exchange for a national gun control law similar to the New York State "SAFE ACT" would you be in favor of it??
 

Stokely

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Nope.

I'm in favor for opening the government, then sitting down and talking (with experts of all sorts, including the border patrol themselves) about what kind of actual crisis we have. Then we can discuss the most effective solution for it, if anything other than what we have is needed.

I don't think that is too much to ask of the government. Hell we pretty much do things that way in a mid-size IT department. Identify the problem/goal, establish the scope, determine a cost, estimate time needed, do the work!

These issues are complex enough on their own, we don't need to conflate them.
 
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Issues are too far apart to be connected thru a deal.
Better deal is 5B for now with a permanent DACA fix, permanent not we’ll delay deportations until next year and we’ll figure something out by then.
 
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Issues are too far apart to be connected thru a deal.
Better deal is 5B for now with a permanent DACA fix, permanent not we’ll delay deportations until next year and we’ll figure something out by then.
Anything less than citizenship for DACA at this point is unlikely to fly with the Dems.

Trump isn't interested in any give and take on immigration. Only take.

Idiot could have made the wall deal last year but blew that or gotten the GOP congress to give him the money (didn't even ask).
 

s0me0nesmind1

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Anything less than citizenship for DACA at this point is unlikely to fly with the Dems.

Trump isn't interested in any give and take on immigration. Only take.

Idiot could have made the wall deal last year but blew that or gotten the GOP congress to give him the money (didn't even ask).
Hasn't that already been offered? At this point Dems are just making this a bigger issue than it needs to be considering the microscopic budget of this.

I'm fairly sure they have been lenient on offering concessions related to DACA.
 
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Hasn't that already been offered? At this point Dems are just making this a bigger issue than it needs to be considering the microscopic budget of this.

I'm fairly sure they have been lenient on offering concessions related to DACA.
Nope.

Trump had a DACA for wall money deal last year with Schumer but after they agreed Trump came back and demanded cuts to legal immigration and the deal collapsed.
 
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Hasn't that already been offered? At this point Dems are just making this a bigger issue than it needs to be considering the microscopic budget of this.

I'm fairly sure they have been lenient on offering concessions related to DACA.
As another poster already pointed this was already on the table and Trump fucked it up.
 

Starbuck1975

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Gun control is a worthy goal as is an answer on DACA. The wall is largely symbolic at this point.
 
Jul 20, 2001
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A Border wall (like the original 25 billion proposed concrete) in exchange for a national gun control law similar to the New York State "SAFE ACT" would you be in favor of it??
This would be a gross muddying of the waters and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory should a Democrat in Congress propose it. Gun control is a losing issue for the Dems and most of them have figured that out.
 
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I say vote for the wall if Trump hangs himself. Save the country the money of his eventual impeachment, criminal trial, and sentencing for treason. That'll pay for a chunk of the wall itself.
 
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No. A wall and border security and immigration reform and e verification with teeth in exchange for amnesty and path to citizenship for illegals currently here with no criminal records. That’s a fair trade on things very relevant to one another.
 
Jul 12, 2006
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Nope.

I'm in favor for opening the government, then sitting down and talking (with experts of all sorts, including the border patrol themselves) about what kind of actual crisis we have. Then we can discuss the most effective solution for it, if anything other than what we have is needed.

I don't think that is too much to ask of the government. Hell we pretty much do things that way in a mid-size IT department. Identify the problem/goal, establish the scope, determine a cost, estimate time needed, do the work!

These issues are complex enough on their own, we don't need to conflate them.
It sounds like you think this asshole is an actual leader and not a toddler.
 
Jul 12, 2006
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No. A wall and border security and immigration reform and e verification with teeth in exchange for amnesty and path to citizenship for illegals currently here with no criminal records. That’s a fair trade on things very relevant to one another.
a wall is never a fair trade. Never. You really do have to be protected against your own vain stupidity. You seriously do. The people roundly voted against this idea, in 2016 and again in 2018. It is thoroughly unpopular, and anyone that is mildly literate understands that it won't work. It is a waste.

Stop defending plain idiocy.
 

Viper1j

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Nope.

Trump had a DACA for wall money deal last year with Schumer but after they agreed Trump came back and demanded cuts to legal immigration and the deal collapsed.
5 billion for the magical wall in exchange for DACA citizenship AND Safe Act. Let's see how much Donny really loves his magical wall.

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Due to President Trumps behavior this really isn’t about the wall anymore.

It’s about hostage taking.

If the democrats give in now then holding the government hostage works.

Look I’m affected by this shutdown as much or more than almost anyone on this board. If the Dems gave in i go back to work and I get paid for the work I’m doing for free now, so I have a lot to gain. The reason I’m against that (besides it being a waste and against our ideals) is because I understand that the next time Trump wants anything we're furloughed again.

This isn’t a rubber stamping House any more. They are not going to give him more tax cuts for the rich, fire Muelller and make Jared the next special prosecutor, vote for Trump Primae-Noctis or whatever crazy shit Rush Limbaugh tells him to do. So he’s going to have plenty of reasons to want to fallback on what’s worked in the past. So it needs to not work.

The United States doesn’t negotiate with hostage takers. If he wants to negotiate he can do it like every other President.
 

yllus

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I can't fathom that as a country you are contemplating spending $30 billion on a completely useless wall. At all. It's just so stupid.
 
Aug 21, 2003
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Due to President Trumps behavior this really isn’t about the wall anymore.

It’s about hostage taking.

If the democrats give in now then holding the government hostage works.

Look I’m affected by this shutdown as much or more than almost anyone on this board. If the Dems gave in i go back to work and I get paid for the work I’m doing for free now, so I have a lot to gain. The reason I’m against that (besides it being a waste and against our ideals) is because I understand that the next time Trump wants anything we're furloughed again.

This isn’t a rubber stamping House any more. They are not going to give him more tax cuts for the rich, fire Muelller and make Jared the next special prosecutor, vote for Trump Primae-Noctis or whatever crazy shit Rush Limbaugh tells him to do. So he’s going to have plenty of reasons to want to fallback on what’s worked in the past. So it needs to not work.

The United States doesn’t negotiate with hostage takers. If he wants to negotiate he can do it like every other President.
Basically this.

The idea that the Democrats were going to roll over for him if he just blustered enough shows his deep political inexperience. An experienced person would have cut a realistic deal.
 
Aug 21, 2003
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I can't fathom that as a country you are contemplating spending $30 billion on a completely useless wall. At all. It's just so stupid.
*glances sideways at Brexit*

Well, could be worse.
 
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*glances sideways at Brexit*

Well, could be worse.
Heh. Brexiteers would want a wall, too, if they didn't have the English channel... They could build one in Northern Ireland, I suppose...
 
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For reference, I am pro-gun and anti-Donald.

I do not want any money spent on a wall. it wont work and it will be a huge waste of money. And not just 5.7 billion dollars either. When Donald see its not working he'll ask for another 2 billion to pay extra border guards, then helicopters and ground sensors and thermal cameras every 500 feet. Its a giant money pit, and since Donald is a fuckin moron and incredibly selfish as well, he'll just burn thru more & more cash until the day he leaves office.
 
Sep 5, 2000
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Due to President Trumps behavior this really isn’t about the wall anymore.

It’s about hostage taking.

If the democrats give in now then holding the government hostage works.

Look I’m affected by this shutdown as much or more than almost anyone on this board. If the Dems gave in i go back to work and I get paid for the work I’m doing for free now, so I have a lot to gain. The reason I’m against that (besides it being a waste and against our ideals) is because I understand that the next time Trump wants anything we're furloughed again.

This isn’t a rubber stamping House any more. They are not going to give him more tax cuts for the rich, fire Muelller and make Jared the next special prosecutor, vote for Trump Primae-Noctis or whatever crazy shit Rush Limbaugh tells him to do. So he’s going to have plenty of reasons to want to fallback on what’s worked in the past. So it needs to not work.

The United States doesn’t negotiate with hostage takers. If he wants to negotiate he can do it like every other President.
hell yeah dude. fuck that bitch.
 

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