Wal-Mart thread II:10-3-07 Judge Awards Wal-Mart Workers Another $62 Million for Lost Break Time

[dmcowen674]

Looks like my original Wally World thread got archived due to lack of activity so here is a new one.

The resident Republicans constantly complain how they hate socialism and goes agaisnt the grain of business yet here is their favorite Company promoting socialism.

With Wal-mart being the only store in the U.S. what makes it any different than old Russia?

2-19-2007 Wal-Mart names 9 cities for jobs plan

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. announced Monday its plans for nine stores in areas in need of economic revitalization and said it will use those stores to help other businesses in the area develop.

Wal-Mart Vice Chairman John Menzer, who heads the company's U.S. operation, was traveling to Indianapolis and Pittsburgh to announce that the company is moving into neighborhoods in each of those cities where commerce has faltered.

Menzer said Wal-Mart is working with local chambers of commerce, business groups and minority-owned businesses

Other stores announced Monday:

_Cleveland ? a Supercenter is to open in the fall at the site of a former steelyard. Other retailers are to have storefronts in the development.

_Decatur, Ga. ? the community outside of Atlanta is to get a Supercenter in early 2008 at the site of a former mall.

_El Mirage, Ariz. ? a Supercenter is to open during the summer near Luke Air Force Base.

_Landover Hills, Md. ? is to be the site of the first Wal-Mart store to open inside the beltway of Washington, D.C. The store will be in Prince George's County at the former Capital Plaza Shopping Center.

_Portsmouth, Va. ? a Supercenter opened last month in the city's midtown at an area targeted for redevelopment.

_Richmond, Calif. ? a Wal-Mart is to open in the spring at a former department store location in the Bay Area community.

_Sanger, Calif. ? A Supercenter is to open in the spring at a former commercial building in the community near Fresno.

 

[CPA]

Explain how this is promoting socialism?

 

[Genx87]

How is a privately held company opening stores in run down areas of the country "socialism"?

What does your thought process consist of anyways?

 

[dphantom]

Good lord. Another out in left field and around the bend wacko statement by our resident big business basher. :roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dphantom
Good lord. Another out in left field and around the bend wacko statement by our resident big business basher. :roll:

When it's the only businesss in town and is in control of the government that make it Socialist.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
With Wal-mart being the only store in the U.S. what makes it any different than old Russia?

Washington does not yet control which specific items the store sells?

I don't think a monopoly of private business equates to a monopoly of government.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dphantom
Good lord. Another out in left field and around the bend wacko statement by our resident big business basher. :roll:

When it's the only businesss in town and is in control of the government that make it Socialist.

Hardly, sounds more like corporatism. If they start being paid with public money then fascism.

Socialism is when the govt owns walmart and the production resources, not the other way around.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
With Wal-mart being the only store in the U.S. what makes it any different than old Russia?

Washington does not yet control which specific items the store sells?

I don't think a monopoly of private business equates to a monopoly of government.

From the article:

At each of the 10 stores, five small businesses will be picked each quarter for the special treatment, the ultimate focus of which will be "how to take advantage of having a Wal-Mart in your market," Menzer said.

Near the Chicago store ? the first in the city limits for the retail giant ? Menzer said a number of new businesses are under development nearby, including a coffee shop, a drug store and a home improvement center.
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Sounds like old Russia Socialism to me.

Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, must be a duck.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
_Portsmouth, Va. ? a Supercenter opened last month in the city's midtown at an area targeted for redevelopment.

I worked in that area a few years ago. A classic example of inner city blight. Crime, high unemployment, empty buildings on every corner etc.

One thing you notice in areas like this is that the stores that are actually open charge very high prices to make up for the shoplifting problems. A bottle of Nyquil might cost you $1-2 more than in affluent area. But if the stores didn't charge that much they would go out of business.

Will be interesting to see how Wal-Mart combats the runaway crime and shoplifting problem in areas like this.

Out of curiosity? how many of the cities on this list are run by Democrats? hmmm

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
With Wal-mart being the only store in the U.S. what makes it any different than old Russia?

Washington does not yet control which specific items the store sells?

I don't think a monopoly of private business equates to a monopoly of government.

From the article:

At each of the 10 stores, five small businesses will be picked each quarter for the special treatment, the ultimate focus of which will be "how to take advantage of having a Wal-Mart in your market," Menzer said.

Near the Chicago store ? the first in the city limits for the retail giant ? Menzer said a number of new businesses are under development nearby, including a coffee shop, a drug store and a home improvement center.
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Sounds like old Russia Socialism to me.

Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, must be a duck.

I am missing the part where the state runs and distributes the goods with a price control board setting the costs.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
With Wal-mart being the only store in the U.S. what makes it any different than old Russia?

Washington does not yet control which specific items the store sells?

I don't think a monopoly of private business equates to a monopoly of government.

From the article:

At each of the 10 stores, five small businesses will be picked each quarter for the special treatment, the ultimate focus of which will be "how to take advantage of having a Wal-Mart in your market," Menzer said.

Near the Chicago store ? the first in the city limits for the retail giant ? Menzer said a number of new businesses are under development nearby, including a coffee shop, a drug store and a home improvement center.
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Sounds like old Russia Socialism to me.

Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, must be a duck.

I am missing the part where the state runs and distributes the goods with a price control board setting the costs.

From the article:

Pennsylvania Gov. Edward G. Rendell was to be on hand at the Pittsburgh announcement and Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels was scheduled to be at the Indianapolis location.
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Wal-mart is the state

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
With Wal-mart being the only store in the U.S. what makes it any different than old Russia?

Washington does not yet control which specific items the store sells?

I don't think a monopoly of private business equates to a monopoly of government.

From the article:

At each of the 10 stores, five small businesses will be picked each quarter for the special treatment, the ultimate focus of which will be "how to take advantage of having a Wal-Mart in your market," Menzer said.

Near the Chicago store ? the first in the city limits for the retail giant ? Menzer said a number of new businesses are under development nearby, including a coffee shop, a drug store and a home improvement center.
===============================
Sounds like old Russia Socialism to me.

Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, must be a duck.

I am missing the part where the state runs and distributes the goods with a price control board setting the costs.

From the article:

Pennsylvania Gov. Edward G. Rendell was to be on hand at the Pittsburgh announcement and Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels was scheduled to be at the Indianapolis location.
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Wal-mart is the state

Did you grow up under power lines as a kid? State officials showing up at an event is your proof of socialism?

Why i bother responding to your threads is a fault I need to correct.

 

[blackangst1]

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[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Sounds like old Russia Socialism to me.

No Dave, Russian style socialism would be when the government tells Wal-Mart where to build their news stores. And then tells them what types of food and items to carry, how many feet of shelving space will be devoted to toilet paper (all of which will be empty since they can never produce enough of it)
Then they will decide which stores will open up next to the new Wal-Mart etc.

They would also tell the Wal-Mart manager that he needs to hire 500 people. ?But I only need 450 to run my store.? We don?t care what you NEED, you will do as you are told, or we will find someone who will?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Sounds like old Russia Socialism to me.

No Dave, Russian style socialism would be when the government tells Wal-Mart where to build their news stores. And then tells them what types of food and items to carry, how many feet of shelving space will be devoted to toilet paper (all of which will be empty since they can never produce enough of it)
Then they will decide which stores will open up next to the new Wal-Mart etc.

They would also tell the Wal-Mart manager that he needs to hire 500 people. ?But I only need 450 to run my store.? We don?t care what you NEED, you will do as you are told, or we will find someone who will?

I said style, not exact replica.

It's only slightly different because it's Wal-mart in control of the government.

 

[JD50]

Back when I was younger and I worked at The Home Depot catching shoplifters, I remember the Mayor of DC coming to the stores grand opening. I guess that makes Home Depot controlled by the federal government in Daves world.

 

[ProfJohn]

Actually Dave if Wal-Mart was in charge of our government we might better off than we are now.
Bash them all you want, but you can not deny that Wal-Mart does its core goal better than anyone else in the country. (Its goal being to deliver goods at the cheapest price available.)
Wal-Mart is so good at what it does that nobody else tries to compete with it anymore. The companies that did essentially went out of business or changed their business goals.

What about Target? Well Target does not compete with Wal-Mart directly. Instead Target offers its customers something different than Wal-Mart does. Go to Target and you get a nicer, cleaner store with better and more up-scale merchandise and better customer service and in return for all this you pay a little more.

Now if Wal-Mart has decided that it needs to open stores in these downtrodden areas as a public relations ploy then good for them. Nothing wrong with them as a free market business deciding to open a few stores that might lose money in order to gain from the publicity.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Actually Dave if Wal-Mart was in charge of our government we might better off than we are now.
Bash them all you want, but you can not deny that Wal-Mart does its core goal better than anyone else in the country. (Its goal being to deliver goods at the cheapest price available.)
Wal-Mart is so good at what it does that nobody else tries to compete with it anymore. The companies that did essentially went out of business or changed their business goals.

What about Target? Well Target does not compete with Wal-Mart directly. Instead Target offers its customers something different than Wal-Mart does. Go to Target and you get a nicer, cleaner store with better and more up-scale merchandise and better customer service and in return for all this you pay a little more.

Now if Wal-Mart has decided that it needs to open stores in these downtrodden areas as a public relations ploy then good for them. Nothing wrong with them as a free market business deciding to open a few stores that might lose money in order to gain from the publicity.

Not to mention WalMart is Americas largest employer...

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: JD50
Back when I was younger and I worked at The Home Depot catching shoplifters, I remember the Mayor of DC coming to the stores grand opening. I guess that makes Home Depot controlled by the federal government in Daves world.

Dave's world is one of those alternate universes where reality is skewed.

Dave, this is in no way socialism. Rather, it appears an attempt at revitalizing an area where Wal-Mart in its best interests is trying to bring in subsidiary businesses to develop traffic, therefore income into its and its partner stores.

It wouldn't surprise me that there is some subsidizing by Wal-mart to helpo these other businesses or some type of financial incentive. But that is not at all atypical of any business attempting to open a new market.

You really need to take a lesson in economics, business admin and government so you can at least talk in an educated manner about these things. Ignorance is not bliss.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JD50
Back when I was younger and I worked at The Home Depot catching shoplifters, I remember the Mayor of DC coming to the stores grand opening. I guess that makes Home Depot controlled by the federal government in Daves world.

Dave's world is one of those alternate universes where reality is skewed.

Dave, this is in no way socialism. Rather, it appears an attempt at revitalizing an area where Wal-Mart in its best interests is trying to bring in subsidiary businesses to develop traffic, therefore income into its and its partner stores.

It wouldn't surprise me that there is some subsidizing by Wal-mart to helpo these other businesses or some type of financial incentive. But that is not at all atypical of any business attempting to open a new market.

You really need to take a lesson in economics, business admin and government so you can at least talk in an educated manner about these things. Ignorance is not bliss.

Subsidizing = Socialism

You guys rail about it everyday.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: JD50
Back when I was younger and I worked at The Home Depot catching shoplifters, I remember the Mayor of DC coming to the stores grand opening. I guess that makes Home Depot controlled by the federal government in Daves world.

Dave's world is one of those alternate universes where reality is skewed.

Dave, this is in no way socialism. Rather, it appears an attempt at revitalizing an area where Wal-Mart in its best interests is trying to bring in subsidiary businesses to develop traffic, therefore income into its and its partner stores.

It wouldn't surprise me that there is some subsidizing by Wal-mart to helpo these other businesses or some type of financial incentive. But that is not at all atypical of any business attempting to open a new market.

You really need to take a lesson in economics, business admin and government so you can at least talk in an educated manner about these things. Ignorance is not bliss.

Subsidizing = Socialism

You guys rail about it everyday.

Subsidizing is money from the government Dave. You know, corporate welfare?

Once again your knowledge of econ sinks to a new low.

 

[piasabird]

Wal-Mart probably wants to get special tax breaks for doing this also. Some people would say that opening up stores where no other chain like k-mart or target will open a store is just good business sense. Some things Wal-mart has done or announced do benefit the average consumer. This is how you attract and keep loyal customers also. For instance Wal-mart announced a while back that they were going to lower prices of certain drugs to a price people can afford. This is an example of Wal-mart trying to do something that is good for their customers. You might ask yourself why the other stores just want to rip off customers? These other stores just look at the market and think it is a bad location and they can make more money in another location. Maybe Wal-mart just has a different way of looking at business.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Subsidizing is money from the government Dave. You know, corporate welfare?

Once again your knowledge of econ sinks to a new low.

Wal-mart buys our government, try again.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Wal-Mart probably wants to get special tax breaks for doing this also. Some people would say that opening up stores where no other chain like k-mart or target will open a store is just good business sense. Some things Wal-mart has done or announced do benefit the average consumer. This is how you attract and keep loyal customers also. For instance Wal-mart announced a while back that they were going to lower prices of certain drugs to a price people can afford. This is an example of Wal-mart trying to do something that is good for their customers. You might ask yourself why the other stores just want to rip off customers? These other stores just look at the market and think it is a bad location and they can make more money in another location. Maybe Wal-mart just has a different way of looking at business.

They may not be allowed to do the cheap drugs in California because it has been deemed anti-competitive(predatory pricing).

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Subsidizing is money from the government Dave. You know, corporate welfare?

Once again your knowledge of econ sinks to a new low.

Wal-mart buys our government, try again.

:disgust: