So let me get this straight. 1 plane flies a similar route to the original plane that crashed and sees fires similar to the location where the plane was last identified as being. Isn't that where the search should have fucking started at? Color me confused until we get some real information.
Cool:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_...plane_windows_so_small
I heard that they could fly the plane for ~2 hours in a manual mode if they lost electrical.
I just hope they find the people. It's a little creepy to think about human remains just out there ...
HardcoreRobot
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any bets on what the conspiracy theory will be? GWB? Aliens? Terrists? There was no plane? Missle?
anyways, really sad. fyi, gps doesnt work underwater
anyways, really sad. fyi, gps doesnt work underwater
0roo0roo
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yea the 787 has nicer windows, no deep set windows or whatever that even the newest airbus is saddled with. takes carbon fiber to do that.
also from wiki... "On 24 August 2001, Air Transat, Flight 236, an A330-243, performed the world's longest recorded glide with a jet airliner after suffering fuel exhaustion over the Atlantic Ocean. The plane flew powerless for half an hour and covered 65 nautical miles (120 km) to an emergency landing in the Azores (Portugal). No one was hurt, but the aircraft suffered some structural damage and blown tires."
assuming it didn't just fall out of the sky it had plenty of time to go way off course..
Another thing, any debris that might be floating aren't going to be staying in one place ... it's amazing how far stuff will move in the ocean.
That's what I was saying earlier.
But all the rocket scientists here obviously know better.
Doh'.
Just FYI: THAT type of plane has exactly 3 backup systems, including batteries, plus a main electrical system (engine 1, engine 2, emergency turbine, battery).
Any fly-by-wire plane needs backup systems, otherwise: no power => no more steering the plane.
And airplane engineers are saying that it is pretty much impossible for all 4 electrical systems to fail.
People really should learn more about planes, I have seen so many mis-informed people in this thread it's amazing.
1) Batteries - dumb idea like many people stated above, when the turbine engines shutoff the wind flowing through them can actually act as generators to create energy, so when the electrical system goes out batteries wouldn't be needed just because of a "lack" of power.
2) Taking off and landing is actually much more dangerous than losing some systems at 35,000 feet. As 0roo0roo said above a plane can glide (and generate power) for quite a while.
3) There had to be more than 1 thing that brought this plane down (unless that one thing was a bomb or something).
4) The plane isn't just going to be sitting on top of the water waving a red flag at you, chances are most of it has sunk. The few parts they did find were something like 50 miles apart, there are going to be pieces everywhere. It's also not like they can be out there in 30 minutes to start the search, it's going to take boats 1-2 days to get out there and there are still storms going on.
5) Even if they knew the exact coordinates of the planes last checkin (but they don't since they operate off of Radar and like Bsobel said there is no radar out in the middle of the ocean) where the plane went down, it's very unfortunate in this case but it probably wouldn't help much.
1) Batteries - dumb idea like many people stated above, when the turbine engines shutoff the wind flowing through them can actually act as generators to create energy, so when the electrical system goes out batteries wouldn't be needed just because of a "lack" of power.
2) Taking off and landing is actually much more dangerous than losing some systems at 35,000 feet. As 0roo0roo said above a plane can glide (and generate power) for quite a while.
3) There had to be more than 1 thing that brought this plane down (unless that one thing was a bomb or something).
4) The plane isn't just going to be sitting on top of the water waving a red flag at you, chances are most of it has sunk. The few parts they did find were something like 50 miles apart, there are going to be pieces everywhere. It's also not like they can be out there in 30 minutes to start the search, it's going to take boats 1-2 days to get out there and there are still storms going on.
5) Even if they knew the exact coordinates of the planes last checkin (but they don't since they operate off of Radar and like Bsobel said there is no radar out in the middle of the ocean) where the plane went down, it's very unfortunate in this case but it probably wouldn't help much.
CZroe
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I don't know why people think redundancies, backups, and batteries can solve any electrical system failure. Think about it: A server with a redundant PSU can still lose everything if the main PSU fails spectacularly. What good is a 100% functioning backup PSU if everything you need to power with it is fried? Now, imagine if an electrical problem caused the entire server to "blow up." Obviously, lightning can ignite things and airplanes have combustible fuel.
0roo0roo
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well actually they use an emergency turbine that pops out to provide power.
no idea if the engines act as freewheeling generators, i've never heard of that before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_air_turbine
no idea if the engines act as freewheeling generators, i've never heard of that before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_air_turbine
daniel1113
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Which, as CZroe and numerous others have already pointed out, will not do a damn thing if your entire electrical system is fried.
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