VW recalls 482,000 diesel cars due to a system to trick emissions faces 18bil fine

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http://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/us-orders-vw-recall-482-000-cars-smog-trick-n429956

The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday accused Volkswagen of installing software on 482,000 diesel cars in the U.S. to evade federal emission regulations, potentially exposing people to harmful pollutants.

The German automaker adopted what the EPA called a "defeat device" to trick U.S. regulators into believing that its cars met Clean Air Act standards, the federal agency said in a statement.

The agency said the diesel cars that violated federal standard were the 2009-14 Volkswagen Jetta, Beetle and Golf, the 2014-15 Volkswagen Passat, and the 2009-15 Audi A3.

Those cars emitted nitrogen oxides, which can exacerbate respiratory conditions such as asthma, at up to 40 times the standard level, the EPA said.

Volkswagen admitted to investigators that it had installed the defeat device, the EPA said.

The automaker said in a statement that it's cooperating with investigators but won't comment further.

Volkswagen, whose brands include the luxury Audi lineup, may face fines or other penalties, the EPA said. The maximum Clean Air Act violation is $37,500 per vehicle, meaning Volkswagen's fine could technically be as high as $18 billion.

What's more, the scandal could expose Volkswagen to lawsuits and penalties for marketing its cars under the "Clean Diesel" moniker. An hour after the EPA announcement, the automaker's website still contained the "Clean Diesel" branding.

About 20% of Volkswagen's vehicle sales are diesel engines, AutoPacific analyst Dave Sullivan said.

"It totally goes against all of the marketing they have had of a clean diesel," Sullivan said in an interview. "That’s one of the biggest selling points for Volkswagen."

The cars are still safe to drive, the EPA said, and owners do not need to take immediate action. But agency officials said they will require Volkswagen to fix the cars for free, indicating that a recall is likely.

"We intend to hold Volkswagen responsible," Cynthia Giles, assistant administrator for EPA's Office of Enforcement and Compliance Assurance, told reporters in a conference call.

The state of California also launched an investigation into the matter.

"VW was concealing the facts from the EPA, the state of California and from consumers. We expected better from VW," Giles said. "We thought it was important to inform the public right away of these violations."

EPA regulators said that Volkswagen adopted a "sophisticated" algorithm that turned on vehicles' full emissions controls when it detected they were being tested for emissions performance.

EPA and California regulators discovered the device after researchers at West Virginia University and the International Council on Clean Transportation "raised questions about emissions levels" in Volkswagen cars, the federal agency said.

Giles declined to say whether the EPA has made a criminal referral because of its findings. She said the investigation is ongoing and declined to say whether top executives knew about the device when it was installed.

"I’m surprised that it took this long for somebody to find this out, but it was actually a very clever piece of software written to keep it hidden," AutoPacific's Dave Sullivan said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...-clean-air-act-emissions-violations/72519678/
 
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marincounty

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I say all of these dirty diesels should be recalled and destroyed, like cash for clunkers, and the owners compensated for their losses.
Ban automotive diesels, there is no reason for them to exist.
Also, time to investigate mercedes to see if they are cheating too.
 

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I say all of these dirty diesels should be recalled and destroyed, like cash for clunkers, and the owners compensated for their losses.
Ban automotive diesels, there is no reason for them to exist.
Also, time to investigate mercedes to see if they are cheating too.

Huh? Lots of neat tech in diesel. Why get rid of them?
 

marincounty

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Huh? Lots of neat tech in diesel. Why get rid of them?

They pollute the air with deadly soot and nitrogen oxides, while conventional 4 cycle engines are orders of magnitude cleaner running.
Why do German companies persist in making them?
 

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wtf. Whoever was behind this should be behind bars.

Nobody at GM is behind bars and they actually killed a bunch of people.

I suspect VW will get a low 10s of millions fine and they'll settle whatever inevitable class action suit emerges for a similar figure.
 

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They pollute the air with deadly soot and nitrogen oxides, while conventional 4 cycle engines are orders of magnitude cleaner running.
Why do German companies persist in making them?

More power and efficiency for less fuel consumed. I wish diesel cars were more popular in the US actually. A 2 stroke diesel comeback would be amazing. Such awesome power/weight though emissions would choke asthmatics within 100 yards with every tap on the throttle.

Wonder when the Turbine Engine automobile will make a comeback though. Then can practically burn anything flammable (liquid) and would be ideal in a hybrid system.
 
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Thump553

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It must have been pretty impressive evidence the EPA had for VW to ADMIT they violated the law. Corporations very rarely admit they violated the law, instead they enter consent decrees not admitting anything but paying huge fines in return.
 

ultimatebob

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They pollute the air with deadly soot and nitrogen oxides, while conventional 4 cycle engines are orders of magnitude cleaner running.
Why do German companies persist in making them?

For the same reason Toyota insists on building so many hybrids. They are trying to improve their fleet average MPG ratings to make regulators happy.
 

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More power and efficiency for less fuel consumed. I wish diesel cars were more popular in the US actually. A 2 stroke diesel comeback would be amazing. Such awesome power/weight though emissions would choke asthmatics within 100 yards with every tap on the throttle.

Wonder when the Turbine Engine automobile will make a comeback though. Then can practically burn anything flammable (liquid) and would be ideal in a hybrid system.


this.
 

K1052

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Wonder when the Turbine Engine automobile will make a comeback though. Then can practically burn anything flammable (liquid) and would be ideal in a hybrid system.

Wrightspeed makes these for commercial vehicles.
 

Leyawiin

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VW sales have floundered for years and now this. They might as well just cut their losses and pull out of the US market.
 

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Wow this is pretty crazy, I have a golf TDI so I wonder what is going to end up happening.
 

dr150

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This really sucks.

I own a '12 Sportwagen. I love this machine.
 

Crono

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Someone make a Downfall video, stat.

"Fuhrer...the Americans...the Americans have discovered our hacking device."

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GagHalfrunt

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More power and efficiency for less fuel consumed. I wish diesel cars were more popular in the US actually. A 2 stroke diesel comeback would be amazing. Such awesome power/weight though emissions would choke asthmatics within 100 yards with every tap on the throttle.

And therein lies the problem, even clean diesels are a hell of a lot dirtier than average gasoline powered cars. Diesels need to die the death they richly deserve, not make a comeback. They were shitty in the past, they're shitty now and they'll be shitty in the future. There's not even a point in trying to make them better, they're doomed. Eventually something is going to take over from gas/diesel. Whether it's electric or hydrogen remains to be seen, but diesel is damn sure not a long-term solution.
 

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I say all of these dirty diesels should be recalled and destroyed, like cash for clunkers, and the owners compensated for their losses.
Ban automotive diesels, there is no reason for them to exist.
Also, time to investigate mercedes to see if they are cheating too.

Lulz. Let me guess California green nut?

Before you go after Diesel PPAs, maybe you should look at the trucks that rolls almost 24/7 to keep Americans fed?
 
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marincounty

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Lulz. Let me guess California green nut?

Before you go after Diesel PPAs, maybe you should look at the trucks that keeps Americans fed?

No one cares what you think, you're Canadian. :)
Not a green nut, I just hate polluting diesels.
 

thomsbrain

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We all knew VWs and Audis had electrical problems, but this might be the first time we knew they've purposely engineered them to have electrical problems. :)
 

John Connor

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I saw this on the news. I immediately thought of the poor children. Think of the children FFS! That pollution is out of control. LMAO! :twisted:
 

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We all knew VWs and Audis had electrical problems, but this might be the first time we knew they've purposely engineered them to have electrical problems. :)
If they're doing what they're designed to do that isn't an electrical problem, it's criminal design.
 

disappoint

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You get your meds balanced again Monday...hooray!

Reminds me of that song by the Bangles:

Six o'clock already
I was just in the middle of a post
I was dissin' Valentino
By a crystal blue Italian roast
But I can't be late
'Cause then I guess I just won't get paid
These are the days
When you wish your bed was already made

It's just another balanced Monday
I wish it were Sunday
'Cause that's my fun day
My I don't have to run day
It's just another balanced Monday

Have to catch an early train
Got to be to work by nine
And if I had an aeroplane
I still couldn't make it on time
'Cause it takes me so long just to figure out what I'm gonna wear
Blame it on the train
But the boss is already there

It's just another balanced Monday
Wish it were Sunday
'Cause that's my fun day
My I don't have to run day
It's just another balanced Monday

All of the nights
Why did my lover have to pick last night
To get down?
(Last night, last night)
Doesn't it matter
That I have to feed the both of us
Employment's down
He tells me in his bedroom voice
"C'mon honey, let's go make some noise"
Time it goes so fast
(When you're having fun)

It's just another balanced Monday
I wish it were Sunday
'Cause that's my fun day
I don't have to run day

It's just another balanced Monday
I wish it was Sunday
'Cause that's my fun day
It's just another balanced Monday