[VR-Zone] NVidia GTX-590 *FINAL* Specs Revealed!

[bryanW1995]

No, they aren't.

Hey, do you know if they plan to have a dual bios setup perhaps instead? maybe one for 300w or so and one for 450w? With that sort of setup they could steal AMD's thunder easily.

 

[bryanW1995]

I've never owned one. I'm basing my opinion off other people's experiences with warranty refusals

do you have a % comparison? you know, if sapphire/xfx/galaxy/etc/etc sell more cards they'll have more complaints, right? EVGA is the only one that I would pay a premium for the warranty, and that's just because they have a relatively low number of legitimate complaints AND they have hordes of loyal followers everywhere you look.

 

[bryanW1995]

Well if it runs well below the specs of a full-bledged 580, the fan may not need to spin as hard.



It's one thing to have a louder card, but 6990 is the loudest card ever made outside of the FX5800U. I still think enthusiasts care about noise to some extent. This is why cards with superior coolers like the Asus DirectCU II series of cards are popular among enthusiasts for example. Also, hardcore overclockers who benchmark will likely put this card under water anyway and run 2 of them. What about everyone else? Use earplugs?

NV wouldn't have listened to their customers' complaints about how loud the GTX480 was when they redesigned the heatsinks on the 570/580 series if enthusiasts didn't care about noise. Specifically, lower noise was one of the features in their GTX580 slides.

both of these cards are going to be extremely limited production run anyway, and as previously mentioned many people will put them under water immediately. I'm kinda surprised that neither camp was able to copy the asus direct cu design, however.

 

[bryanW1995]

It's basically how nVidia dealt with Eyefinity, they don't have a real answer so they scrap together what they can and try to get a "tick" marker under the feature list. As for CUDA, not everyone benefits from this but those who do certainly appreciate it and finally PhysX, quite possibly the biggest F' Up nVidia has done. It angers me because nVidia could have done so much more with it yet they completely mis-handled the situation and now it's a cool effect added on to games rather than a epic game enhancing feature.

Have you guys seen the BF3 episode 2? Those physics are awesome with the debri falling all over and I have no doubts that we will see destructable environments like in BC2. That's what PhysX should be doing not making my explosion look cooler.

not sure if you've ever tried 3d OR eyefinity (I haven't), but from what I can tell I think that the features fall into the same category for the vast majority of users: totally cool-looking and not worth the cost atm. CUDA is great if you need it and useless otherwise, physx is still more fluff than substance, but 3d, like eyefinity, brings immediate and substantial improvement to your gaming experience RIGHT NOW.

 

[wahdangun]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,2776-3.html

"First, there are no dedicated 3D monitors in North America that employ the HDMI 1.4 standard...our experience has shown us that Nvidia’s 3D Vision driver works better and more consistently in the majority of games...you can either game in stereo at 720p maxing out at 60 frames per second per eye, or you can game at 1080p with up to 24 frames per second per eye
"
Safe to say that Nvidias 3D remains in the over and above feature list you're trying to wittle down.

AMD's 3D technology for its Radeon HD products conform to industry standards – most notably right now is HDMI 1.4a. Sadly, this doesn't include a lot of desktop monitors on the market today, but it does include essentially every new 3D HDTV in existence today.

but every 3D television work with AMD

 

[badb0y]

not sure if you've ever tried 3d OR eyefinity (I haven't), but from what I can tell I think that the features fall into the same category for the vast majority of users: totally cool-looking and not worth the cost atm. CUDA is great if you need it and useless otherwise, physx is still more fluff than substance, but 3d, like eyefinity, brings immediate and substantial improvement to your gaming experience RIGHT NOW.

Definitely but what I was saying is just like nVidia responded to AMD with Surround gaming, AMD is responding to nVidia's 3D capabilities with HD3D.

They both just want that "tick" mark under featires even if it is a last minute thing they through together to compete.

 

[SHAQ]

From the numbers I have seen, the GTX580 can really start sucking the wattage as you overclock and add voltage. Two 8 pin connectors and a PCIE slot are rated for 375 watts. I'm sure it's doable with a good power supply, but you would be pushing some things pretty far beyond spec.

Possibly but looking at the load consumption in Crysis the 6990 when OC'd still uses 20 watts less than stock clocked 6970 Xfire. I have to look up the clocks to see if they are the same, but figure the 590 to use at least 20 watts less than 580 SLI.

 

[3DVagabond]

It's basically how nVidia dealt with Eyefinity, they don't have a real answer so they scrap together what they can and try to get a "tick" marker under the feature list. As for CUDA, not everyone benefits from this but those who do certainly appreciate it and finally PhysX, quite possibly the biggest F' Up nVidia has done. It angers me because nVidia could have done so much more with it yet they completely mis-handled the situation and now it's a cool effect added on to games rather than a epic game enhancing feature.

Have you guys seen the BF3 episode 2? Those physics are awesome with the debri falling all over and I have no doubts that we will see destructable environments like in BC2. That's what PhysX should be doing not making my explosion look cooler.

As you say, so far the way PhysX has been implemented, it's been wasted. Just a tick box. I like how when they test cards with games that support PhysX, it's typically left turned off.

CUDA is good for about as many people as DP is. Which is not too many. I can't recall any posters on gaming forums, in recent memory who actually use CUDA for anything. Even on the 3D boards I frequent, the only use I've seen for it with any regularity is Adobe Premier CS5. Nobody uses it for final rendering for animation, although you do often hear it mentioned as a benefit. Rendering quality on GPU is still not good.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Typical AT response "Yeah man this card teh suxxors fo real" as they use a 4 year old 8800gt.

Not my cup of tea but this or the 6990 would wax my single 580.

 

[Munky]

Well, pretty much what I predicted in the other thread. With a hotter and more power-hungry gpu, the laws of thermodynamics are gonna bite you in the ass eventually.

 

[Rubycon]

Typical AT response "Yeah man this card teh suxxors fo real" as they use a 4 year old 8800gt.

Not my cup of tea but this or the 6990 would wax my single 580.

Speaking of wax if your HDD is behind a 6990 it may melt like a candle on a hot summer evening.

Coolers on both these dual GPU cards are bad news for inside case temps. I'm sure sales of waterblocks for both will be strong.

Making 590s single slot by watercooling them is a unique idea. Seven of them in a dual Xeon (SR-2) system would definitely make a nice render/crunching machine. 14 GPUs + 24 logical CPUs. Overclock the GPUs to 900+ and the CPUs to 4.5+ (all under water obviously) and what kind of PPD would that be good for? You may have to hang your clothes out to dry and put your computer in the laundry room so it could plug into that 230V 30A outlet though.

 

[Redshirt 24]

No clue where this came from, but:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/281/.html

Core Clock: 	752 MHz 	Memory Clock: 	1002 MHz
Memory Bus: 	384 bit 	Memory Size: 	3072 MB
Memory Type: 	GDDR5 	Interface: 	PCI-E  ?
ROPs: 	96 	                Released: 	Mar 2011
Shading Units: 	1024

 

[tviceman]

No clue where this came from, but:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/281/.html

Core Clock: 	752 MHz 	Memory Clock: 	1002 MHz
Memory Bus: 	384 bit 	Memory Size: 	3072 MB
Memory Type: 	GDDR5 	Interface: 	PCI-E  ?
ROPs: 	96 	                Released: 	Mar 2011
Shading Units: 	1024

This would be completely hilariously awesome for all the discussion if it came out at these speeds, and ran both quieter and with less heat. Obviously both companies said to hell with TDP on these parts, though.

 

[-Slacker-]

No clue where this came from, but:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/281/.html

Core Clock:     752 MHz     Memory Clock:     1002 MHz
Memory Bus:     384 bit     Memory Size:     3072 MB
Memory Type:     GDDR5     Interface:     PCI-E  ?
ROPs:     96                     Released:     Mar 2011
Shading Units:     1024

So... 3 8 pins?

 

[Idontcare]

Speaking of wax if your HDD is behind a 6990 it may melt like a candle on a hot summer evening.

Should be no more likely to wax a HDD than an equivalent system with xfire 6970's or 6950's though, right?

I mean it's not like the 6990 takes system-level power consumptions to new highs, it just takes it to the same old previous highs while populating fewer PCIe slots if I understand correctly.

 

[3DVagabond]

Should be no more likely to wax a HDD than an equivalent system with xfire 6970's or 6950's though, right?

I mean it's not like the 6990 takes system-level power consumptions to new highs, it just takes it to the same old previous highs while populating fewer PCIe slots if I understand correctly.

I think Rubycon is referring to a review where they said that the 6990 raised the temp of their hdd by about 10c. I don't recall which review it was or the exact circumstances. In all likelihood just about any high end card that doesn't exhaust all of it's heat outside the case would do the same. They just don't typically measure that now, do they? Which, I believe makes your point.

 

[Morg.]

Well, another confirmation that dual GPU boards are dead.
Seriously, 6970 CF >>>> 6990, and even more so once OC'd (besides if your watercooling handles 500+W of heat, it's damn decent).
And for nVidia GTX580 SLI >>>>>> GTX 590.

When you factor in the fact that you probably have the same issues with dual GPU boards as with dual board setups, meh.

And the single slot argument doesn't quite hold anymore with so many real x16 slots on high-end boards, and the fact that high-end means high performance, which those cards do not have.

And again, AMD wins for the wattage, because a truly OC'd 590 is going to burn 700Watts quite easily (got space for 2x high power phase change uh ?).

 

[Morg.]

Speaking of wax if your HDD is behind a 6990 it may melt like a candle on a hot summer evening.

Coolers on both these dual GPU cards are bad news for inside case temps. I'm sure sales of waterblocks for both will be strong.

Making 590s single slot by watercooling them is a unique idea. Seven of them in a dual Xeon (SR-2) system would definitely make a nice render/crunching machine. 14 GPUs + 24 logical CPUs. Overclock the GPUs to 900+ and the CPUs to 4.5+ (all under water obviously) and what kind of PPD would that be good for? You may have to hang your clothes out to dry and put your computer in the laundry room so it could plug into that 230V 30A outlet though.

Mhh yes, so you just need 2.5 KW capable watercooling, which is probably going to take you the 8-loop road or something fancy

Oh you said overclocking ? make that 5 KW, and 16-loop xD (meh, one for each *PU is enough, why do more)

 

[SlowSpyder]

I don't know if dual GPU boards are dead, but I think AMD pushed further than they wanted to with 40nm. With Nvidia, I think the GTX580 is the Fermi they always wanted on 40nm, so who knows.

 

[Lonyo]

I think Rubycon is referring to a review where they said that the 6990 raised the temp of their hdd by about 10c. I don't recall which review it was or the exact circumstances. In all likelihood just about any high end card that doesn't exhaust all of it's heat outside the case would do the same. They just don't typically measure that now, do they? Which, I believe makes your point.

I think it was the AT review, and it's more to do with the heat being exhausted out of both ends of the card, so half the heat goes out of the back of the case, the other half heads to the front, where HDD bays and HDDs are usually located, so your HDD gets blasted with the hot air from half a 6990, nothing to do with overall case temps, just adjacent HDDs.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I think it was the AT review, and it's more to do with the heat being exhausted out of both ends of the card, so half the heat goes out of the back of the case, the other half heads to the front, where HDD bays and HDDs are usually located, so your HDD gets blasted with the hot air from half a 6990, nothing to do with overall case temps, just adjacent HDDs.

For whatever it is worth, I have two Sapphire Vapor-X Radeon 5870's in CF, they use a similar setup as the 6990 as far as the heat shroud is concerned. There is a fan in the middle that pulls air in, then it passes over the heat sinks and half of the air is exhausted, the other half will enter the case.

I have a full size case, my hard drive is just above the top 5870, but it is also right above a 120mm intake fan. My case has two temp probes, one is directly on top of the hard drive. Last night it was 28C while gaming for a few hours.

While the 6990 does you no favors as far as heat is concerned, I think you can get around it by how you set up your case. It certainly wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. The noise on the other hand...

 

[Rubycon]

Should be no more likely to wax a HDD than an equivalent system with xfire 6970's or 6950's though, right?

I mean it's not like the 6990 takes system-level power consumptions to new highs, it just takes it to the same old previous highs while populating fewer PCIe slots if I understand correctly.

Not if they use a proper reference cooler. My multiple 580 setup (on air) hardly raises the inside temperature at all under load. All heat is rejected out of the case.

Problem with the new dual GPU layout is the spacing of the GPUs on the board as well as the VRMs means the fan can only go in the center. (or the card would have to be so long it would stick out the front of the case!

This reference design throws roughly half of the heat (equal to a single card!) INSIDE the case! That's going to be a problem with tighter cases with lackluster airflow.

 

[Ghiedo27]

We're well into page 4, is it safe to start using bad car analogies yet? ()

Buying 6990 or 590 class video cards and going cheap on cooling is like buying a sports car and trying to get away with $50 tires.

 

[Skurge]

We're well into page 4, is it safe to start using bad car analogies yet? ()

Buying 6990 or 590 class video cards and going cheap on cooling is like buying a sports car and trying to get away with $50 tires.

Yep, Just like the Zonda R, It cost U$1.5million but is too loud to be used on most tracks.

 

[hdfxst]

On sale already? http://www.expc.ca/i-17979-asus_engtx590_3dis_3gd5.html