Voters vs. Illegal Immigrants. . .

[episodic]

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060328-102545-2371r.htm

Why has the role of the senate and representative diminished to the point where they do not represent the citizen? Our system of democracy seems to have a problem as of late that the will of the people is ignored.

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Gallup Poll (March 27) finds 80 percent of the public wants the federal government to get tougher on illegal immigration.

A Quinnipiac University Poll (March 3) finds 62 percent oppose making it easier for illegals to become citizens (72 percent in that poll don't even want illegals to be permitted to have driver's licenses).

Time Magazine's recent poll (Jan. 24-26) found 75 percent favor "major penalties" on employers of illegals, 70 percent believe illegals increase the likelihood of terrorism and 57 percent would use military force at the Mexican-American border.

An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll (March 10-13) found 59 percent opposing a guest-worker proposal, and 71 percent would more likely vote for a congressional candidate who would tighten immigration controls.

An IQ Research poll (March 10) found 92 percent saying that securing the U.S. border should be a top priority of the White House and Congress.

Yet, according to a National Journal survey of Congress, 73 percent of Republican and 77 percent of Democratic congressmen and senators say they would support guest-worker legislation.

Why are the constituents being ignored?

 

[sonoma1993]

Most likely due to big companies giving them huge amount of cash to support super low wage illegal immigrants workers.

 

[GTKeeper]

sonoma is right

Companies are so used to having workers for dirt cheap that they don't want to give up their 'cash cow'.

My family and I are immigrants. I became a citizen in 2000 and it just blows me away that it seems its easier to just come here illegally than to get a legit visa and trying the 'legal way'.

I personally don't care if extra people come to this country. What I do care about is that all these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes and I have to foot the bill for their medical expenses and any other social support they get. That is just unfair to immigrants like me who came here legally and busted their a$$ off to get a legit job and have a career in the USA.

 

[Genx87]

A couple of things.

1. Business is probably paying the senators well
2. The left will lable\libel you a racist if you try to stop illegals
3. Latinos represent a large voting block. You piss them off and you may lose an election.

 

[Witling]

GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

One does wonder

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

Because they pay them "under the table" sure there are some that work on the books but most dont. Empoyers in California face fine for empoying illegal imigrants, so they are off the books. Do you think the guys hanging out by the home depot or lowes pay taxes? How about the gardeners? or the nannys? I guarantee you that 90% of the gardner/landscape crew's do not ( heck 15 years ago when I was doing landscapeing that was the case) An often overlooked aspect is that most citizens/legal immigrants of hispanic origin dont want illegals here either, Im in Los Angeles and the people I grew up with are on the same side of the fence as I am.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: episodic
Why are the constituents being ignored?

Because only RACISTS are against illegals! :roll:
Frankly, the only reason the general public is being ignored in this debate is because of the poisonous state of the race debate in this country. If you're against illegal immigration, you're labeled a racist. It's a page stolen from the playbook which has kept affirmative action alive for so long (even though clear majorities no longer support racial set-asides; heck, it was liberal California which passed Proposition 209!). People are just afraid to say what they think for fear of catching the racist label. Heck, people even throw it around on this forum - look at Steeplerot's posts. RACIST, RACIST, RACIST!!

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

You are wrong and obviously live in a world where your head is stuck where 'the sun don't shine' Please enlighten me how you apply for an SS# or pay taxes to begin with when you are here ILLEGALLY and probably don't want the government finding out that you are here ILLEGALLY.

Taken straight out of ssa.gov... To apply for an SS card you must provide:

Proof of citizenship and identity
To get a Social Security number or a replacement card, you must prove your U.S. citizenship or immigration status, age and identity.

I win.

 

[piasabird]

I think that in reality it is the Illigals that run California.

If it is the illegal immigrants that force politicians to their will, who is really in charge?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

 

[piasabird]

I guess when you are so gutless and so lawless that after a while you no longer realize what the term legal means. Some people beleive in the law and that means something to them. Apperently it means nothing to you.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I guess when you are so gutless and so lawless that after a while you no longer realize what the term legal means. Some people beleive in the law and that means something to them. Apperently it means nothing to you.

It is nothing less then using a old racist law as an excuse to feed racism and nothing less.

Everyone has broken some law somewhere, Its a strawman excuse and nothing less.

If a law is unjust it should be taken away, not upheld becasue some people conviently like to use it to feed their hate.

Not one of you in here can say you have NEVER broken ANY law in your life, so shove it.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: episodic
Why are the constituents being ignored?

Because only RACISTS are against illegals! :roll:
Frankly, the only reason the general public is being ignored in this debate is because of the poisonous state of the race debate in this country. If you're against illegal immigration, you're labeled a racist. It's a page stolen from the playbook which has kept affirmative action alive for so long (even though clear majorities no longer support racial set-asides; heck, it was liberal California which passed Proposition 209!). People are just afraid to say what they think for fear of catching the racist label. Heck, people even throw it around on this forum - look at Steeplerot's posts. RACIST, RACIST, RACIST!!

They can call racist all they like AFAIC, the fact is they are here illegally. They are being used by their employers but they don't mind because they send an average of $2000 a year back home. That's like a years wages free and clear that they are able to save every year they work here, it's Mexico's biggest income. I saw a short spot on TV the other day and they said it's so bad that Mexico claims to have a labor shortage of able bodied people in Mexico.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

Uh there is a big difference between legal and illegal. And while you complain about wage freeze on the lowend why dont you think about what illegals working for below the minimum wage have to do with it.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

So you honestly support ILLEGAL immigration to the US?!

Some of us dont break the law on an hourly basis btw. (smoke another one?) Some of us respect the law and all that it stands for. Some of us even enforce the laws! You seem like the type to only respect the law when it protects you. I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and live-in advisor... Then you could sit around naked with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: piasabird
I guess when you are so gutless and so lawless that after a while you no longer realize what the term legal means. Some people beleive in the law and that means something to them. Apperently it means nothing to you.

It is nothing less then using a old racist law as an excuse to feed racism and nothing less.

Everyone has broken some law somewhere, Its a strawman excuse and nothing less.

If a law is unjust it should be taken away, not upheld becasue some people conviently like to use it to feed their hate.

Not one of you in here can say you have NEVER broken ANY law in your life, so shove it.

Bunch of crap, like most of your ramblings.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

Point #1
I fully believe that all immigrants can become americans and that they are 'good enough'. It has nothing to do with them being illegal or not. It is not a Racism issue to me.

Point #2
If the government would regulate and check if all these illegal immigrants are paying taxes and ss just like every other American, they can stay IMHO because they are productive members of society and they have a right to be here as able bodies citizens.

Point #3
People like you undermine all the immigrants that have come here legally. And please don't tell me that we have it 'easier' than anyone else. It took my family (and only with the aid of a U.S company) 4 months to get a H1 Visa. And what this meant was standing in line for weeks at a time to talk to a U.S immigration officer in the U.S Embassy. Yes, you stand in line for 12 hours, you get a ticket and come back to stand for 12 hours more the next day based on your place in line the day before.

After that the application for a Green Card was even more stressful, because if you don't get that you have to go back home. We went through that as well.

With the rate of illegals coming into the U.S I seriously doubt they all have the proper paperwork to work here to begin with. A lot of it is under the table.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Witling
GTKeeper, where do you get off with the statement that "these illegals don't pay SS or Taxes?" If you get wages in the U.S. the employer is going to want to deduct them as an expense. The only way the employer can do that is to withhold tax and SS. Now perhaps the casual day laborers who get picked up for a job each day and are usually paid in cash don't pay taxes but everyone who works in a packing plant, landscape crew, or restaurant sure as heck pays it. Perhaps the reason the elected officials don't "represent the people" is that the people have their head where the sun doesn't shine.

How does one pay SS without a SS#? How do you file a tax return without a SS#?

Becasue that is BS, you can buy SS numbers in any city so you can work, I have never known a immigrant not to have one, and yes they pay taxes too and get double screwed as they can not file for a return.

And yes, it is about racism and nothing less, who the hell are a bunch of immigrants to tell current immigrants they are not good enough to be americans?

And dont start with the legal strawman, you have ALL broken some law in your life and if YOU didnt get away with it youd be just as much a "illegal", except the crime these people committed was trying to feed their familys and work.

No, they are screwing me when I try to feed my family. They can send home a years wages free and clear for every year they work here and after 20 years of that they can go back to their own country and retire rich and young.

They could give a ****** less about me or our country, so I don't give a damn about them. Send them back where they came from and the sooner the better.

no doubt!

I hope you noticed that it's not the American flag they are flying in their protests! that says it all... we're being used by a bunch of criminals, and socialists like Steeplerot are the enablers!

There are plenty of american flags at those protests, so you are a liar, and plenty of rebel flags flying over the south by "good americans" so like I said, you can stick your hypocricy.

The mexicans have been quite well behaved compared to other immigrants like how much trouble the irish caused with riots so save your thinly veiled racist crap hiding under some hypocritical "laws".

 

[Witling]

I think Steeplerot pretty much covered the SS and tax question. Believe me, it's not a problem. Paying taxes has little to do with filing a tax return if you work for wages. Answer me this one if it isn't an archaic, racist law. Why is capital free to move anywhere on the globe but labor is not?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: palehorse74


#$^#%^ socialists like you are trying to ruin this damn country, and it's starting to piss me off! My vote would be to send you back to Mexico, with all of the illegals, as their escort and line-in advisor... you can sit around with them and pass the pipe all day! sound good?

palehorse, you are such a fool, you are the one ruining the country with your lazy mind sucking off your patriot pipe instead of thinking for yourself and blaming others for the same crap you do, your a immigrant too so like I said, you can shove it.

If you are full blooded native american and never broke one law in your life then go ahead and cast the first stone, if not you can stfu hypocrite.

This is a bogus argument put forth by people who try to minimize the idea of an illegal immigrant. Unless we were born in another country we are not immigrants. My great Grand Parents were immigrants from Poland, Germany, and Czecheslovokia. They came here through "legal" means and became a "legal" citizen.

What makes these people running across our border not subject to the same immigrations standards? Why should they be allowed to just skate the system?

If they want to become a citizen of the United States get in line and do it legally.