Voter turnout. Should legal residents be forced to vote?

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zanejohnson

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In theory, I fully agree. In reality, this test would be used to throw out votes. Example: what's Romney's position on anything? Nobody has any idea. He was constantly saying conflicting things. Is he for abortion or against abortion? He took both sides. Does he support Romneycare or is he against Romneycare? He took both sides. Regardless of how someone answers the test question, their vote can be thrown out. The power to throw out votes would be abused immediately.

Even fact-based testing would be abused because different people know different things. If you wanted to throw out the votes of democrats, the test would have questions about basic economics or accounting. If you want to throw out republican votes, include some elementary school science questions.

Another problem is that things politicians say don't accurate reflect what they will do. Obama said he would close Gitmo, but he didn't. The 2012 voting test might ask his position on Gitmo (because the government takes more than 4 years to change a test question). Do you answer correctly and say he supports Gitmo or do you write that he's against Gitmo because that's what the correct answer would have been in 2008?

correct.


furthermore. if you were to discriminate right to vote based on intelligence........ that's a real quick shortcut to full blown oligarchy. (so yes, we do need dumb people to vote (even if it's based on idiocy)) if we want to keep keep what's left of the middle/lower class, any resemblace to that of a first world country.



the smart people would eventually all end up on one side of the debate, against a hopeless runner up/faux party......and of course win, and shape law, to favor themselves (kind of like what we have now, except we do it through lobbies and backhanded, snakey moves..... gerrymandering, propoganda machine media, favoring certain genders and groups for social safety net/welfare system.
 
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nehalem256

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correct.


furthermore. if you were to discriminate right to vote based on intelligence........ that's a real quick shortcut to full blown oligarchy. (so yes, we do need dumb people to vote (even if it's based on idiocy)) if we want to keep keep what's left of the middle/lower class, any resemblace to that of a first world country.

If I have to choose between idiocy and oligarchy I choose oligarchy any day.

At least then there is a chance you don't up with well idiocy ;)

the smart people would eventually all end up on one side of the debate, against a hopeless runner up/faux party......and of course win, and shape law, to favor themselves (kind of like what we have now, except we do it through lobbies and backhanded, snakey moves..... gerrymandering, propoganda machine media, favoring certain genders and groups for social safety net/welfare system.

Because smart people never ever disagree with each other :rolleyes:
 

justoh

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Most people are apathetic, which is why in general many don't vote. Of those who do, republicans vote more because they're told to by their pastors (also told who to vote for). And most democrats live in places where a few extra votes won't make a difference because of the electoral college.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Most people are apathetic, which is why in general many don't vote. Of those who do, republicans vote more because they're told to by their pastors (also told who to vote for). Not rocket science.

Which is a lie, but you have to believe that now don't you? Most people are smarter though and know that shit stinks and the system stinks and the lying liars which are both parties stink. Your "democracy" is a big middle finger in the eye of the citizens of this nation and we know your democrats are self serving suck ass vermin. Not rocket science.
 

cubby1223

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Should legal residents be forced to vote?

I've never voted, I've never registered to vote :)

I'm not under any delusion that my single vote will make any difference in any election ever. My college minor was in math, I know what the probability of my vote ever making a difference is, I'm better off devoting my time to other things.
 

justoh

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Which is a lie, but you have to believe that now don't you? Most people are smarter though and know that shit stinks and the system stinks and the lying liars which are both parties stink. Your "democracy" is a big middle finger in the eye of the citizens of this nation and we know your democrats are self serving suck ass vermin. Not rocket science.

What lie? Evangelicals have like twice the average turnout at the polls and all vote the same way. I don't have to believe anything. Don't live there.
 

Spungo

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If I have to choose between idiocy and oligarchy I choose oligarchy any day.

At least then there is a chance you don't up with well idiocy ;)
We currently have an oligarchy, and it doesn't appear to be working for most people. Example: the federal reserve's official policy is to steal from average people and give it to the top 0.01%. Out of control money printing has quadrupled the money supply over a 5 year period. Think of it like this. You and three friends buy a pizza. There are 4 people, so you can evenly divide this pizza by cutting it into 4 slices and each person takes a big slice. Ben Bernanke walks into the room and says he will cut the pizza into 16 slices to stimulate the economy, but you still only get 1 slice each. The other 12 slices are stolen by Bernanke and given to his banker buddies. If you want more than 1/16th of the pizza, you need to borrow it from a banker and pay interest on it.

The government and federal reserve appear to be winning the war against the middle class. Wages remain flat while food, energy, healthcare, and education inflation are out of control. Youth unemployment is at an all time record high. Home ownership for people younger than 35 is at an all time record low. Overall home ownership is at a generational low. What's the stock market doing? Record high after record high. Corporate profits are at record highs. It's great to be an oligarch in modern America.
 

nehalem256

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We currently have an oligarchy, and it doesn't appear to be working for most people. Example: the federal reserve's official policy is to steal from average people and give it to the top 0.01%. Out of control money printing has quadrupled the money supply over a 5 year period. Think of it like this. You and three friends buy a pizza. There are 4 people, so you can evenly divide this pizza by cutting it into 4 slices and each person takes a big slice. Ben Bernanke walks into the room and says he will cut the pizza into 16 slices to stimulate the economy, but you still only get 1 slice each. The other 12 slices are stolen by Bernanke and given to his banker buddies. If you want more than 1/16th of the pizza, you need to borrow it from a banker and pay interest on it.

The government and federal reserve appear to be winning the war against the middle class. Wages remain flat while food, energy, healthcare, and education inflation are out of control. Youth unemployment is at an all time record high. Home ownership for people younger than 35 is at an all time record low. Overall home ownership is at a generational low. What's the stock market doing? Record high after record high. Corporate profits are at record highs. It's great to be an oligarch in modern America.

Part of that problem I think is caused by allowing "stupid" people to vote.

If you allow say single mom's* with 3 bastard kids with 3 different thug fathers to vote you are going to see politicians pandering to that demographic.

If you keep the worst degenerates from voting then politicians will have to start pandering to a higher class of people hopefully reducing the problem you outlined.

*Note the equivalent male demographic is likely to be in prison and therefore not voting.
 

BoberFett

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When did the left become such control freaks? Or, has it always been the case and I'm just taking more notice? So much of their platform is based on forcing people to do things. To submit to their will.

We need to force people to vote.

We need to force people to understand the issues and the consequences of their vote.

We need to force, force, force.

People eventually rebel against Fascism. It's the wait until it happens that is so arduous.

I wonder about that all the time. The hippies that marched against Vietnam have become The Man.
 

zanejohnson

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I wonder about that all the time. The hippies that marched against Vietnam have become The Man.

shit the deep south used to be called the democratic party!



really what's up... is this country is just the right age to slip into public view, what it's always been.............


we've never voted for shit... in modern times..since about 1948.

it IS a totalitarian regime masquaradeing as an oligarchy, pretending to look like a democratic republic....



if you saw it from outside the united states... you'd lump it into the same catagory as saudi arabia, or north korea..


everyone else knows it's a joke, and a scam, and high treason, and an outright assault on human rights.. people from the east, have lived under this type of oppression for millenia, thats why it looks so cooky to joe six pack to hear allah akbar, and talk of holy war..... they dont understand it, but surely the guy on fox news does!!! so they bandwagon it..... and there's your perpetual war machine, the one great thing america has...a great war machine.... and we've sold our sanity, our children, our morality for it, and what have we profited??? some really negative karma, and a really harsh payback.... i can smell the lynch mobs coming.. it's a matter of time. we got the missile.... we had missile defense..... now using the laws of physics as an advantage, our missile defense system is rendered worthless.

if i was sitting in the middle east, russia, south america, mexico, syria, north korea, egypt, libya.........Isreal.


i'd be really thinking about this cancer that infects the earth, the mind, the body,...and i'd be thinking of ways to bring it to iti's knees.... from all angles..


and that's what's happening..


look at Ukraine... they used our tactics, "nation building, terrorist removal operation"

now we can't do that anymore. <------and that's our paycheck, like our REAL paycheck. the perpetual war machine consists of the biggest chunk of actual real value in our entire economy... it's real, tangible value, "lead or silver" those two things rule this world.... and the world power has both, that's what makes them the world power, that's how they can maintain a fractional reserve fiat currency, backed by nothing but debt.....it's actually backed by the bullets.

so now, without the bullets (missile defense technology) we're holding onto the gold (our economy is, not joe 6 pack) and by gold, i mean, banking infrastructure, fiat currency, petrodollar.,,,because, remember how that old fed works??? we hand over some pieces of paper, an IOU...and they print the cash, WE DONT PRINT THE CASH, the fed does! we actually are only worth that original bond, made to the fed.... that's the only actual real wealth that exists, because the rest is ONLY A RESULT OF THE FIAT CURRENCY FRACTIONAL RESERVE SYSTEM..... the fed doesn't give 2 shits about those IOU's.... they only care about bullets, to protect, who, distributes the fiat currency, and by default, the petrodollar equivalent.


so now we gotta take it to the citys, drop bombs, troops on the ground.........in foreign territory.....and we cant just bail ourselves out this time by dropping the bomb, we're on the wrong side of history, might does make right, that's the strategy we used, that's the strategy they now use.... buzzards circling.. just waiting until we weaken just a tad bit more... then that wall everyone wants on the border.... it'll go up.. that incarceration rate, 23 percent..... already the highest on the planet will skyrocket....

when you can't pay a wage, and you dont have the infrastructure to actually build anything, you use forced labor to build menial objects that are necessities (think license plates, in prisons).... it's actually the way out, build stuff..with forced labor.. North Korea did just that... and now you see why the axis of power is tilting.... the labor of those koreans, has more intrinsic value, than the original bond made to the money changers..... China knows this, Russia knows this. (this is also why Bitcoin is such a huge threat to the US economy, it's not because you can buy drugs with them) but then again wait....yes it is. you can buy anything with it, the work your computer did to unlock that cryptocoin (and it's efficiency, ties, actual, value, to a fiat currency (like gold once did) what's worth more? computer hardware? or IOU pieces of paper?



North Korea was the contrast to America in 1948, now the lines on the graph are moving towards an intersection.... the camps are shutting down, the reason kim jung un actually has support from his people is because, people aren't blind to the world like the propoganda would have you believe, that's only USA, that believes that, because, that's what OUR propoganda says is going on out there..

we had a sweet deal going, the federal reserve, and creation of a the fiat currency, and the petrodollar, was absolute mathematical genious, as well as the Isreali state, location, location, location. corruption, apartheid, and..........one final move left... they are losing there grip on the American steering wheel, not only that, but the game changer ultrasonic rockets.... render there attack dog (us) useless...... they need off the dollar..it's not protected. now it REALLY IS a high risk investment.... i'm just waiting for the day the Israeli regime and the BRICS make it official (there in bed already, its just hush hush, and the implications are misunderstood by the masses........and the ones who do understand it, find it nearly impossible to explain to even people, in intelligent places, because of the whole fear of the unknown factor... people would rather continue to ignore it.....


when it does reach critical mass, and we throw the money changers out (like has always happened in history, right about now in the cycle... the moneychangers (Israeli regime will just setup a new exchange, protect it with might (BRICS) tie it back to the oil with a new form of fiat currency, tied to a new form of petrodollar........

rinse and repeat....


it's happened several times in even our own recorded history.
 
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NaughtyGeek

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When most people are aware that the choices presented to them are Giant (D)ouche or Tu(R)d Sandwich, you can't really expect a high turnout now can you? Obligating someone by law to endorse either a Giant (D)ouche or Tu(R)d Sandwich seems counter-intuitive to our founding principles.
 

DrunkenSano

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Why should I be forced to vote for shitty corrupt politician A or shitty corrupt politician B?