Voter ID: College Edition

[SheHateMe]

In Tennessee, a new law requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls explicitly excludes student IDs.

In Wisconsin, college students are newly disallowed from using university-provided housing lists or corroboration from other students to verify their residence.

Florida's reduction in early voting days is expected to reduce the number of young and first-time voters there.

And Pennsylvania's voter identification bill, still on the books for now, disallows many student IDs and non-Pennsylvania driver's licenses, which means out-of-state students may be turned away at the polls.

In the last two years, Republican-controlled state legislatures have passed dozens of bills that erect new barriers to voting, all targeting Democratic-leaning groups, many specifically aimed at students. The GOP's stated rationale is to fight voter fraud. But voter fraud -- and especially in-person fraud which many of these measures address -- is essentially nonexistent.

None of the new laws blocks student voting outright -- although in New Hampshire, Republican lawmakers almost passed a bill that would have banned out-of-state students from casting a ballot. (The leader of the State House, Bill O'Brien, was caught on tape explaining how the move was necessary to stop students from "basically doing what I did when I was a kid: voting as a liberal.")

This is seriously getting out of control. Voter Fraud is not even an issue, all of this stuff is coming out just in time for the election.

My first time voting was back in 2008 and I remember there were strong campaigns for younger people to be more involved in voting. I feel like they are trying to stopped young people now because they don't want Obama back in office.


*Forgot the source...my bagel was toasting! Voter I.D: College Edition

 

[Incorruptible]

Maybe its to stop voter fraud? I dont understand why its so hard to just show proper ID

 

[EagleKeeper]

Out of state license. Not s registered in state voter or breaking the law if attempting to use license as ID for voting - CHECK.

out of state student. Not a resident -
CHECK

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Out of state license. Not s registered in state voter or breaking the law if attempting to use license as ID for voting - CHECK.

out of state student. Not a resident -
CHECK

If only that pesky Supreme Court hadn't ruled that students are free to register to vote in either their home state or their at-school state.

 

[SheHateMe]

Out of state license. Not s registered in state voter or breaking the law if attempting to use license as ID for voting - CHECK.

out of state student. Not a resident -
CHECK

College students are allowed to register to vote using their campus address...even if they are out of state. Now they are trying to renege because too many young people turn out? In order to be eligible to vote in that state, you need to have a permanent address where you live for most of the year.

Maybe its to stop voter fraud? I dont understand why its so hard to just show proper ID

Can you highlight some cases of voter fraud?

 

[Phokus]

If only that pesky Supreme Court hadn't ruled that students are free to register to vote in either their home state or their at-school state.

Conservatives are human garbage, this is all about denying voting rights and winning elections.

 

[Incorruptible]

Conservatives are human garbage, this is all about denying voting rights and winning elections.

I didnt that all the Conservatives are represented by this

 

[SheHateMe]

I hope the organizations get out there again and help these young people become eligible to cast their vote in November. This is nothing but a cheap tactic to have less people turn out at the polls, the highest number of young people ever voted back in 2008...but for Obama and they just don't want that to happen again.

It shouldnt matter who we are voting for, we have that right and it seems pretty scary to me that these States are actually passing these laws with NO evidence to support that Voter Fraud was ever an issue in the US.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I see no issue with a college student voting where they're attending college as long as when they register to vote a notification is sent to their previous home of record registrar's office to ensure they can't receive an absentee ballot.

 

[MrColin]

Out of state license. Not s registered in state voter or breaking the law if attempting to use license as ID for voting - CHECK.

out of state student. Not a resident -
CHECK

Out of state students are residents unless they commute across a state border every day. Most states require you get your DL in said state within ~60 days of moving there, often with exceptions specifically for students. Otherwise they would face: go to school, get new license in that state, go home for the summer, need to change license back, go back to school lather rinse repeat.

We all know these new rules are voter suppression, why pretend? They are going to end up encouraging fraud in the end.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think it's about time for the members on the Republican party to start doing what we expect of decent Muslims, to stand up and repudiate the assholes among them, to demand that the fanatical antiAmericans among then stop interfering with the vote and start presenting a message you don't have to be a piece of cheating scum to win with.

Start denouncing these fucking worthless assholes for the human trash that they are. Push an amendment to the Constitution that allows communist Kenyans to be President because they are more American the the worthless fuck you now see in the mirror.

 

[xBiffx]

Out of state students are residents

Well done contradicting yourself. They can't be out of state students and residents of the state they are attending school in. Why do you think schools charge out of state tuition rates vs. in state tuition rates. Out of state students are considered residents of their home state, not the state they attend school in.

 

[nehalem256]

Out of state students are residents unless they commute across a state border every day. Most states require you get your DL in said state within ~60 days of moving there, often with exceptions specifically for students. Otherwise they would face: go to school, get new license in that state, go home for the summer, need to change license back, go back to school lather rinse repeat.

We all know these new rules are voter suppression, why pretend? They are going to end up encouraging fraud in the end.

If they do not get a new DL then they are still a resident of the state they have a DL in. In which case they should be voting there.

Sounds to me like the law will prevent voter fraud.

 

[nehalem256]

As an example for the state of Maine

http://www.brennancenter.org/pages/student_voting_guide_maine

At School. Students can establish residency in Maine if they have a present intention to remain at their Maine school address for the time being, whether that residence is a dorm, apartment, house or even a hotel.[6] Any other interpretation of the residency laws is unconstitutional. Maine law defines residence as the place where you have a “fixed and principal home.”[7] Maine courts have held that voting residency is equivalent to domicile.[8]

Maine has a “gain or loss” provision which states that no voter will either gain or lose residency solely because of their presence in or absence from the state while attending school.[9] It explicitly states that it may not be interpreted “to prevent a student at any institution of learning from qualifying as a voter” in the town “where the student resides while attending” that school.[10] Out-of-state tuition status does not preclude residency for voting purposes.

You should be aware that if you register to vote in Maine, you will be deemed to have declared residency in Maine, which has consequences for drivers in particular. Maine residents who drive in Maine must obtain a Maine driver’s license within thirty days of establishing residency.[11] Driving without a Maine license more than ninety days after you have established residency in the state is a crime.[12] Maine law also requires residents, including students, who own motor vehicles to register their vehicle within thirty days of establishing residency.[13] Detailed instructions for obtaining a license or registering a vehicle in Maine are included in the state’s Motorist Handbook.

 

[MovingTarget]

I see no issue with a college student voting where they're attending college as long as when they register to vote a notification is sent to their previous home of record registrar's office to ensure they can't receive an absentee ballot.

I have no problem with this. That is how it should be. When you register to vote, a notification should be sent out to prevent being registered in more than one district.

Maybe its to stop voter fraud? I dont understand why its so hard to just show proper ID

Why isn't a photo ID issued by a state university explicitly excluded as proper ID? :hmm:

Voter fraud has not been shown to be a serious or even statistically significant problem. This ID push is a solution in search of a problem at best, and outright disenfranchisement of the poor, the elderly, and students at worst.

 

[monovillage]

Out of state students are residents unless they commute across a state border every day. Most states require you get your DL in said state within ~60 days of moving there, often with exceptions specifically for students. Otherwise they would face: go to school, get new license in that state, go home for the summer, need to change license back, go back to school lather rinse repeat.

We all know these new rules are voter suppression, why pretend? They are going to end up encouraging fraud in the end.

We don't know these are about voter suppression and you're a liar. You just support the Democrat machines voting fraud and you're getting pissy this might interfere with dead people voting.

 

[monovillage]

I have no problem with this. That is how it should be. When you register to vote, a notification should be sent out to prevent being registered in more than one district.



Why isn't a photo ID issued by a state university explicitly excluded as proper ID? :hmm:

Voter fraud has not been shown to be a serious or even statistically significant problem. This ID push is a solution in search of a problem at best, and outright disenfranchisement of the poor, the elderly, and students at worst.

Since some Universities not only support, but encourage illegal aliens to attend would they be issued those school IDs?

 

[nehalem256]

I have no problem with this. That is how it should be. When you register to vote, a notification should be sent out to prevent being registered in more than one district.



Why isn't a photo ID issued by a state university explicitly excluded as proper ID? :hmm:

Voter fraud has not been shown to be a serious or even statistically significant problem. This ID push is a solution in search of a problem at best, and outright disenfranchisement of the poor, the elderly, and students at worst.

Because as outlined above it is easy to be a student of a university, but not a resident of the state.

 

[nehalem256]

We don't know these are about voter suppression and you're a liar. You just support the Democrat machines voting fraud and you're getting pissy this might interfere with dead people voting.

Also students deciding to vote based on what election they can influence more instead of their residency.

Since some Universities not only support, but encourage illegal aliens to attend would they be issued those school IDs?

I believe this was especially a problem with Texas.

And it is kinda fun having liberal immigration policies make it harder for liberals to vote

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Because as outlined above it is easy to be a student of a university, but not a resident of the state.

And as I outlined above the Supreme Court has rules that students are free to vote in their home state OR their school state. Pretty sure they make the rules.

 

[Brainonska511]

Also students deciding to vote based on what election they can influence more instead of their residency.

So?

Why shouldn't students be allowed to vote where they attend school? Surely, they would care more about local issues that affect them 9-10 months of the year versus issues at home where they may only spend 2 months of the year.

 

[monovillage]

Wasn't there a thread about an professor/instructor passing out bookmarks wanting her students to pledge to vote for Obama and a straight Democrat ticket? I'm sure that she also added that no retaliation or grade fucking would happen if you disagreed with her political views.

 

[Perknose]

Well done contradicting yourself. They can't be out of state students and residents of the state they are attending school in. Why do you think schools charge out of state tuition rates vs. in state tuition rates. Out of state students are considered residents of their home state, not the state they attend school in.

You are 100% wrong. Students that come from out of state pay higher tuition, yes.

But for purposes of voting, the Supreme Court of the United States of America has affirmed that students who come from out of state but live at an in-state college are indeed residents of that state.

This has been settled law for more than 30 years now. Try to keep up, k?

In Symm v. United States, 439 U.S. 1105 (1979)[1] the United States Supreme Court affirmed United States v. Texas, 445 F.Supp. 1245 (S.D.Tex. 1978), holding unconstitutional the denial to Prairie View students of the presumption of bona fide residency extended to other Waller County students.

Here is a more in-depth explanation that should clear up your confusion, even if it doesn't clear up Charlie Webster's idiot confusion.

Can College Students can register to vote where they go to school, and if so, are they required to move their car titles to that state and get a new driver's license and become full residents of that state.

It was sparked by Maine GOP Chairman Charlie Webster.

http://bangordailynews.com/2011/07/28/opinion/editorials/turning-away-college-students/

Earlier this week, Charlie Webster, head of the Maine Republican Party, held up a list he said showed 206 college students from other states have illegally voted in Maine.

“The simple fact that 206 people, here on ‘out of state tuition,’ are actually voting to decide who will represent our communities in the state Legislature ought to concern Mainers,” Mr. Webster said in a press release, written in all capital letters and replete with misspellings.
Actually, Mr. Webster, the U.S. Supreme Court — the ultimate interpreter of the U.S. Constitution — ruled in 1979 that college students are completely within their rights to vote where they attend school.

Mr. Webster’s evidence of fraud appears to be his combination of two lists that are not related and rely on completely different standards. One is a list of students who pay out-of-state tuition at Maine’s public universities.

The other is a list of people who registered to vote in college towns. If people appeared on both lists, Mr. Webster accused them of fraud.

Here’s a simple flaw in his logic: By University of Maine System rules, which aren’t clearly written or easy to understand, we’ll admit, a student generally must live in Maine for a year before qualifying for in-state tuition. By law, a student can legally list a college dorm as his address. By Mr. Webster’s logic, a student who comes from another state to attend college in Maine could not be allowed to vote in Maine for at least a year. This isn’t the law, even if Mr. Webster wishes it were.

http://portlanddailysun.me/node/27322/

Charlie Webster’s claims, while admirable that he cares deeply for fair elections, is based entirely out of baseless political posturing at best. I guess he never read the 1979 Supreme Court position in Symm v. United States when they ruled that all students have the right to vote where they attend college. Moreover in our very own state statue regarding voter eligibility, as long as students verify who they are and their local residency, they are allowed to register in that municipality. That local residency can be based on a number of factors not limited to state issued IDs, driver’s licenses, and utility bills.

Part of the confusion stems from the use of the word "Residency" to mean multiple things.

To register to vote, all one must do is prove "Local residency," which simply means that you physically live in that location.

 

[nehalem256]

And as I outlined above the Supreme Court has rules that students are free to vote in their home state OR their school state. Pretty sure they make the rules.

Of course they are free to vote in either as long as they are resident of that state. This is clearly outlined in the link I gave you.

If they do not update their DL then they have stated they are still a resident of their home state and would be committing voter fraud.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Of course they are free to vote in either as long as they are resident of that state. This is clearly outlined in the link I gave you.

If they do not update their DL then they have stated they are still a resident of their home state and would be committing voter fraud.

And you are as wrong now as you were then. The post from Perknose spells out why.