Voter fraud or lying on jury form?

[Texashiker]

Either way you go, a lot of people are breaking the law.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/10/2...voting-uncovered-in-maryland/?singlepage=true

The group’s investigation found that thousands of people in Frederick County who stated that they are not U.S. citizens on jury duty forms went on to cast votes in elections.

How can you be a non-citizen on a jury form, but vote in elections?

With so many ways to get out of jury selection, why say you are a non-citizen? I have heard of a lot of ways to get out of jury selection, but have never heard of anyone suggesting to say you are not a citizen.

No id required to vote. Just go and vote.

Jury selection on the other hand, you have to go to the court house, maybe show id, appear before a judge. Judge catches you lying, that is contempt of court.

Sounds like it would be a lot easier to get caught committing jury fraud than voter fraud. So why take the risk?

I am leaning towards this being voter fraud.

 

[HomerJS]

I recently finished serving on a jury for 4 weeks. Ever consider people just said that just to get out of it?

 

[xBiffx]

I recently finished serving on a jury for 4 weeks. Ever consider people just said that just to get out of it?

Which is illegal isn't it?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Another chicken little thread. Where are the poll workers who have the responsibility of checking the role of registered voters? You do know someone is supposed to do that? Registered and actual votes being cast are two different things.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It sucks that some people don't see the responsibilities that come with citizenship or take them seriously, like serving on a jury, or not disenfranchising other voters just because you don't like their lifestyle.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Scumbags lie to get out of jury duty, happens all the time. People who want to shirk their responsibillity will lie and decieve.

People who are interested in voting, are likely going to be the more responsible members of society, if they were lazy criminal types, they would not bother registering to vote in the first place.

 

[pauldun170]

Either they failed to tell the truth when they were summoned for jury duty, or they cast illegal votes.

Or perhaps they were issued a jury summons prior to becoming a citizen.
Something that happens to thousands of people everyday.

Example.
In January Receive summons.
Later in the year, you take the test and become a citizen.
You register to vote.
You vote
A little while later some group releases press release, that all these "illegals are voting for them liberal democrats!!!"

Or we could stick to the original scenarios where a massive conspiracy by people who "ain't Murican" or people just doing whatever to get out of jury duty.

Anyone see the actual report. How many cases did they discover in their giant leap of logic exercise?

 

[HomerJS]

Which is illegal isn't it?

Sort of. In PA they get jury pool from registered drivers and voter rolls. The jury questionnaire isn't under oath so you won't get prosecuted for lying there.

Odds are these people lied to get out of serving. Happens all the time.

 

[xBiffx]

Sort of. In PA they get jury pool from registered drivers and voter rolls. The jury questionnaire isn't under oath so you won't get prosecuted for lying there.

Odds are these people lied to get out of serving. Happens all the time.

It is illegal to lie, I assure you.

http://www.lebcounty.org/Court_Syst..._Information_Questionnaire-Criminal_Court.pdf

I hereby certify that the answers on this form are true and correct. I understand that false answers provided herein subject me to penalties under 18 Pa.C.S. § 4904 relating to unsworn falsification to authorities.

http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/crimes-and-offenses/00.049.004.000.html

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Or perhaps they were issued a jury summons prior to becoming a citizen.
Something that happens to thousands of people everyday.

Example.
In January Receive summons.
Later in the year, you take the test and become a citizen.
You register to vote.
You vote
A little while later some group releases press release, that all these "illegals are voting for them liberal democrats!!!"

Or we could stick to the original scenarios where a massive conspiracy by people who "ain't Murican" or people just doing whatever to get out of jury duty.

Anyone see the actual report. How many cases did they discover in their giant leap of logic exercise?

Apparently, the Virginia Voters Alliance discovered thousands but, I'm sure most did exactly as you say. :whiste:

 

[shira]

Just consider which scenario is more likely:

A: A non-citizen knows that his one vote in an election will make a huge difference, so he would definitely be willing to impersonate a registered voter at the polling place, if only there were no Voter ID requirement.

B: A citizen wants to avoid the hassle and lost income resulting from jury duty, so he lies on the form and states that he's a non-citizen.

 

[rommelrommel]

Either way you go, a lot of people are breaking the law.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/10/2...voting-uncovered-in-maryland/?singlepage=true



How can you be a non-citizen on a jury form, but vote in elections?

With so many ways to get out of jury selection, why say you are a non-citizen? I have heard of a lot of ways to get out of jury selection, but have never heard of anyone suggesting to say you are not a citizen.

No id required to vote. Just go and vote.

Jury selection on the other hand, you have to go to the court house, maybe show id, appear before a judge. Judge catches you lying, that is contempt of court.

Sounds like it would be a lot easier to get caught committing jury fraud than voter fraud. So why take the risk?

I am leaning towards this being voter fraud.

Sovereign citizen idiots do stuff like this too.

 

[xBiffx]

Just consider which scenario is more likely:

A: A non-citizen knows that his one vote in an election will make a huge difference, so he would definitely be willing to impersonate a registered voter at the polling place, if only there were no Voter ID requirement.

B: A citizen wants to avoid the hassle and lost income resulting from jury duty, so he lies on the form and states that he's a non-citizen.

Both are a crime. Neither seems more likely than the other. That said, its still worth investigating what is really going on.

 

[bshole]

Both are a crime. Neither seems more likely than the other. That said, its still worth investigating what is really going on.

No it isn't.

 

[xBiffx]

No it isn't.

Crimes aren't worth investigating?

 

[bshole]

Crimes aren't worth investigating?

Not those "crimes". Instead of investigating petty shit like that, they should be investigating white collar crimes committed by the rich and powerful. Break the rich and powerful oligarchies running America, break them on the rack if necessary. Crush them into dust and sweep them into the ash bin of history.

You got your priorities all screwed somewhere along the line. You bought what they sold you and now look at you. A poor sad little man doing what they tell you. Focused on banal shit like this that means utterly nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[xBiffx]

Not those "crimes". Instead of investigating petty shit like that, they should be investigating white collar crimes committed by the rich and powerful. Break the rich and powerful oligarchies running America, break them on the rack if necessary. Crush them into dust and sweep them into the ash bin of history.

You got your priorities all screwed somewhere along the line. You bought what they sold you and now look at you. A poor sad little man doing what they tell you. Focused on banal shit like this that means utterly nothing in the grand scheme of things.

So crimes that taint the sanctity of the ballot box or the sanctity of our justice system are considered petty to you? You may have done nothing to earn your citizenship and its meaningless to you but does that mean you have to downgrade everyone else's?

The rest of what you said, get help, preferably from someone who can prescribe some good drugs.

 

[HomerJS]

So crimes that taint the sanctity of the ballot box or the sanctity of our justice system are considered petty to you? You may have done nothing to earn your citizenship and its meaningless to you but does that mean you have to downgrade everyone else's?

The rest of what you said, get help, preferably from someone who can prescribe some good drugs.

If only there was a much concern for mishandling of ballots after voting, thousands of fake voting mailers before an election or people waiting in line 5-8 hours.

 

[xBiffx]

If only there was a much concern for mishandling of ballots after voting, thousands of fake voting mailers before an election or people waiting in line 5-8 hours.

I am concerned.

 

[Jhhnn]

I recently finished serving on a jury for 4 weeks. Ever consider people just said that just to get out of it?

Which is illegal isn't it?

Yes, and completely immaterial in the context of voter fraud.

Dismissed!

 

[Jhhnn]

So crimes that taint the sanctity of the ballot box or the sanctity of our justice system are considered petty to you? You may have done nothing to earn your citizenship and its meaningless to you but does that mean you have to downgrade everyone else's?

The rest of what you said, get help, preferably from someone who can prescribe some good drugs.

"Taint the sanctity of the ballot box"? Really?

What a sanctimonious twit.

If the authorities want to go after people lying on their Jury duty forms, that's completely unrelated to voter fraud.

Nice try, anyway. Slow outrage Day? Dying to get your panties in a knot over a favorite bugaboo?

You found it, the same way a shit-eating dog could find the only turd for miles around.

 

[xBiffx]

Yes, and completely immaterial in the context of voter fraud.

Dismissed!

"Taint the sanctity of the ballot box"? Really?

What a sanctimonious twit.

If the authorities want to go after people lying on their Jury duty forms, that's completely unrelated to voter fraud.

Nice try, anyway. Slow outrage Day? Dying to get your panties in a knot over a favorite bugaboo?

You found it, the same way a shit-eating dog could find the only turd for miles around.

What is it exactly that you don't get about this story? The two issues are 100% linked here. It might be voter fraud it might be jury "fraud", it might even be both. There really is no way to know the extent of one vs. the other since the crime(s) has been detected using a medium which implicates both.

 

[Screech]

Both are a crime. Neither seems more likely than the other. That said, its still worth investigating what is really going on.

Sorry, but that's completely ridiculous, and you know it.

 

[xBiffx]

Sorry, but that's completely ridiculous, and you know it.

How? How is having information that indicates one of two things (or possibly both) happened and then concluding that it could be either of those two things that happened ridiculous.

If anything, trying to say that one is more likely than the other, given the information, is far more ridiculous. Both are a crime. How can you put likeliness into which crime people are choosing to commit here?

 

[Jhhnn]

What is it exactly that you don't get about this story? The two issues are 100% linked here. It might be voter fraud it might be jury "fraud", it might even be both. There really is no way to know the extent of one vs. the other since the crime(s) has been detected using a medium which implicates both.

Oh, the issues are def linked in the article, although it's written to pander to the vivid imaginations of fringe whack conspiracy theorists in America's gullible Repub base.

That's you.

It's just another way to promulgate the notion that there might be significant voter fraud & that Bigfoot will prove it at his press conference.

Desperate Believers, looking for something to believe in. I'll give you a hint- what you believe in Isn't worthy of any but the most feeble of intellects.

That's you.