Voter Fraud in Iowa?!

[mysticjbyrd]

Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus

Before undecided and omalley switched it was 215 sanders
210 hillary


after the switches were made it was
224 sanders
232 hillary


HOW? On live tv the omalley group said that the majority was going to the Sander's group.

Mom supporters 44 of them but apparently 3 left so that leave 41 and the undecided.


PS:
What drooling moron created this caucus system, and why is it not changed?

Hillary won 3 delegates on 3 separate coin tosses because of precinct ties!

Coin flips....really?

 

[Indus]

Same thing will happen with GOP to deny Trump and Cruz the nomination.

 

[DrDoug]

Welcome to politics...lol! This is why I don't get involved in the primaries and instead wait until the moron march is over and the two major party candidates are selected. The grind isn't worth it and your opinion on what has happened isn't worth squat to anyone but those who agree with you. I vote when the election comes around and leave the rest of the shit to everyone else.

Less stress and more comedy.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus

Before undecided and omalley switched it was 215 sanders
210 hillary


after the switches were made it was
224 sanders
232 hillary


HOW? On live tv the omalley group said that the majority was going to the Sander's group.

Mom supporters 44 of them but apparently 3 left so that leave 41 and the undecided.


PS:
What drooling moron created this caucus system, and why is it not changed?

Hillary won 3 delegates on 3 separate coin tosses because of precinct ties!

Coin flips....really?

much tadoo about nothing!!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Hilarious that Sanders could have won if the coin flips were just slightly in his favor. Instead he loses all six. pwned.

 

[pcgeek11]

Fits right in with her usual lying, cheating and stealing tricks...

Democrat circus in the making.

 

[cbrunny]

PS:
What drooling moron created this caucus system, and why is it not changed?

Not to dismiss your question, but this is really the only point of your question that matters imo. I understand how the American election system works, but I don't think it is good in any way whatsoever, start to finish.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

^^^^other than it being quaint to remember how the pioneer's voted caucusing is overly complicated and silly today. I don't get why people in Iowa don't demand change. From a news report 2/3rds(?) the people interviewed on the street didn't know where to caucus. I know many people don't vote in the primaries in my state but I'd bet more than 1/3rd would know where to vote and would also understand how to use a ballot.

I do have to say on the Democratic side standing where with whom you want to support is an interesting psychology experiment people like to side with winners and I'd doubt many would be happy standing near a complete nut cases banner for all their neighbors to see.

 

[sportage]

Maybe the caucus system was fine and dandy back in the days of farmers and small communities, where everyone worked during the day and were in bed by 9pm.
And the neighbors did not vote so much as gather up their brownies, fried chicken, apple pies, and make an old fashion barn dance out of the election process.

But in todays 24/7 mobile world, yes 24/7 even in Iowa, far too many people were "LOCKED OUT" of participating in this process.
If we had never heard of this ridiculous caucus system, and Obama or Bernie as president proposed this system, both republicans and democrats would rise up in furry calling president Bernie or Obama a dirty rotten red commie.

Every one out there working evenings, all of those thousands and thousands of people, were totally and completely locked out.
No absentee, no allowance what so ever for their participation.
And that is exactly how a Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabee wins.

Now that the Iowa caucus is finally all over, it would be interesting to have an actually fair legit ballot primary vote, in a voting booth, open and accessible to everyone from 7am until 9pm.
THEN count those votes....
We would then see if a Cruz or a Huckabee could pull off a win.

Is the caucus system rigged? No.....
In order for the system to be rigged you first must have a legitimate and equally fair "system" in the first place.
And the caucus system, locking out thousands of people, is not a system.

It simply gives whack-o's like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee a false sense of national importance.
Only in Iowa could religion trump (no pun) a crack baby (oops, I guess the term is anchor baby) from Canada who is illegally running for US president, and then give that alien the win.

And look at Ted Cruz's victory speech from Iowa. Did anyone watch that lynching party?
Ted was flanked by the KKK. YES, all members of the KKK. If not on paper, certainly in heart.
Old white men that HATE gays, HATE Blacks, HATE Hispanic illegal or not, HATE liberal minded working women, HATE young progressive students, HATE anyone that is NOT THEM.

I don't know what America they are living in?
Maybe this is Canadian values, but certainly not American values.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Maybe the caucus system was fine and dandy back in the days of farmers and small communities, where everyone worked during the day and were in bed by 9pm.
And the neighbors did not vote so much as gather up their brownies, fried chicken, apple pies, and make an old fashion barn dance out of the election process.

But in todays 24/7 mobile world, yes 24/7 even in Iowa, far too many people were "LOCKED OUT" of participating in this process.
If we had never heard of this ridiculous caucus system, and Obama or Bernie as president proposed this system, both republicans and democrats would rise up in furry calling president Bernie or Obama a dirty rotten red commie.

Every one out there working evenings, all of those thousands and thousands of people, were totally and completely locked out.
No absentee, no allowance what so ever for their participation.
And that is exactly how a Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabee wins.

Now that the Iowa caucus is finally all over, it would be interesting to have an actually fair legit ballot primary vote, in a voting booth, open and accessible to everyone from 7am until 9pm.
THEN count those votes....
We would then see if a Cruz or a Huckabee could pull off a win.

Is the caucus system rigged? No.....
In order for the system to be rigged you first must have a legitimate and equally fair "system" in the first place.
And the caucus system, locking out thousands of people, is no system.

It simply gives whack-o's like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee a false sense of national importance.
Only in Iowa could religion trump (no pun) a crack baby (oops, I guess the term is anchor baby) from Canada who is illegally running for US president, and then give that alien the win.

And look at Ted Cruz's victory speech from Iowa. Did anyone watch that lynching party?
Ted was flanked by the KKK. YES, all members of the KKK. If not on paper, certainly in heart.
Old white men that HATE gays, HATE Blacks, HATE Hispanic illegal or not, liberal minded working women, young progressive students, anyone that is NOT THEM.

I don't know what America they are living in?
Maybe this is Canadian values, but certainly not American values.

At least the Republican caucus is ballot based walk in cast a vote and leave. The Democratic caucus is far more exclusive, you need to show up at a caucus location, you need to keep about one hour free, you have to hope you don't stand outside in a line.

 

[Sonikku]

Hilarious that Sanders could have won if the coin flips were just slightly in his favor. Instead he loses all six. pwned.

He should have got Liam Neeson to do the coin toss for him.

 

[Subyman]

Welcome to politics...lol! This is why I don't get involved in the primaries and instead wait until the moron march is over and the two major party candidates are selected. The grind isn't worth it and your opinion on what has happened isn't worth squat to anyone but those who agree with you. I vote when the election comes around and leave the rest of the shit to everyone else.

Less stress and more comedy.

Oh I like this part. So much posturing and underhandedness. Much better than sports IMO

 

[Mxylplyx]

You are certainly not doing any favors for your candidate by crying conspiracy when you dont like the results. You sound no different than the right wing lunatics.

 

[Jaskalas]

Coin flips....really?

Nominee selection is a party function.
They could do away with voting altogether.

Actual voting does not happen until the general election.

 

[SP33Demon]

It's a broken system but all in all only 1 state.

 

[flexy]

Sounding like a crazed Bernie supporter, but...

... if there is hair-tight tie and coins are tossed, it is essentially coins voting. And this is absurd.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Sounding like a crazed Bernie supporter, but...

... if there is hair-tight tie and coins are tossed, it is essentially coins voting. And this is absurd.

So how would you handle it? Half-points to each candidate for the tied precincts?

 

[theeedude]

The whole caucus system is a fraud to begin with.

 

[Jhhnn]

You are certainly not doing any favors for your candidate by crying conspiracy when you dont like the results. You sound no different than the right wing lunatics.

I figure that's who he's trollin' for. His FUD campaign has their DNA all over it.

 

[Jhhnn]

At least the Republican caucus is ballot based walk in cast a vote and leave. The Democratic caucus is far more exclusive, you need to show up at a caucus location, you need to keep about one hour free, you have to hope you don't stand outside in a line.

Meh. If Iowa Dems want it to be different they'll make it different. Dem style caucusing is more than voting. It's a social event, an opportunity to meet & network w/ people of similar persuasions at a lot of different levels.

 

[FerrelGeek]

The whole caucus system is a fraud to begin with.

Fraud or not, it's pretty stupid; certainly the way the dems do it.

The whole primary thing as it exists is dumb, because of the way it drags on. Have all the states have their election on 1 day and get it over with.

If it comes down to brokered conventions, the dems will most likely go with Hillary. The reps will abandon Trump and Cruz and pick a more establishment candidate, possibly Rubio; though they could go full retard (on the establishment candidates) and pick Jeb.

And we get to suffer through the upcoming tv adds and robocalls.

 

[SP33Demon]

What's the most you've ever lost on a coin toss?

 

[TheGardener]

much tadoo about nothing!!

Just like your 23,000 plus posts.

 

[werepossum]

Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus

Before undecided and omalley switched it was 215 sanders
210 hillary


after the switches were made it was
224 sanders
232 hillary


HOW? On live tv the omalley group said that the majority was going to the Sander's group.

Mom supporters 44 of them but apparently 3 left so that leave 41 and the undecided.


PS:
What drooling moron created this caucus system, and why is it not changed?

Hillary won 3 delegates on 3 separate coin tosses because of precinct ties!

Coin flips....really?

The important thing is that we all remember how important it is vote for the team who can't seem to count.

^^^^other than it being quaint to remember how the pioneer's voted caucusing is overly complicated and silly today. I don't get why people in Iowa don't demand change. From a news report 2/3rds(?) the people interviewed on the street didn't know where to caucus. I know many people don't vote in the primaries in my state but I'd bet more than 1/3rd would know where to vote and would also understand how to use a ballot.

I do have to say on the Democratic side standing where with whom you want to support is an interesting psychology experiment people like to side with winners and I'd doubt many would be happy standing near a complete nut cases banner for all their neighbors to see.

I wonder how many of those 2/3s care where to caucus? Personally I've had one candidate I really liked since Reagan. Don't think I could force myself to stand around for an entire evening over who gets to drive the clown car.

Maybe the caucus system was fine and dandy back in the days of farmers and small communities, where everyone worked during the day and were in bed by 9pm.
And the neighbors did not vote so much as gather up their brownies, fried chicken, apple pies, and make an old fashion barn dance out of the election process.

But in todays 24/7 mobile world, yes 24/7 even in Iowa, far too many people were "LOCKED OUT" of participating in this process.
If we had never heard of this ridiculous caucus system, and Obama or Bernie as president proposed this system, both republicans and democrats would rise up in furry calling president Bernie or Obama a dirty rotten red commie.

Every one out there working evenings, all of those thousands and thousands of people, were totally and completely locked out.
No absentee, no allowance what so ever for their participation.
And that is exactly how a Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabee wins.

Now that the Iowa caucus is finally all over, it would be interesting to have an actually fair legit ballot primary vote, in a voting booth, open and accessible to everyone from 7am until 9pm.
THEN count those votes....
We would then see if a Cruz or a Huckabee could pull off a win.

Is the caucus system rigged? No.....
In order for the system to be rigged you first must have a legitimate and equally fair "system" in the first place.
And the caucus system, locking out thousands of people, is not a system.

It simply gives whack-o's like Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee a false sense of national importance.
Only in Iowa could religion trump (no pun) a crack baby (oops, I guess the term is anchor baby) from Canada who is illegally running for US president, and then give that alien the win.

And look at Ted Cruz's victory speech from Iowa. Did anyone watch that lynching party?
Ted was flanked by the KKK. YES, all members of the KKK. If not on paper, certainly in heart.
Old white men that HATE gays, HATE Blacks, HATE Hispanic illegal or not, HATE liberal minded working women, HATE young progressive students, HATE anyone that is NOT THEM.

I don't know what America they are living in?
Maybe this is Canadian values, but certainly not American values.

You've got a little spittle on, well, everything.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Not to dismiss your question, but this is really the only point of your question that matters imo. I understand how the American election system works, but I don't think it is good in any way whatsoever, start to finish.

ohh yah it's horrendous. It was literally constructed from the ground up to be corrupt.

So how would you handle it? Half-points to each candidate for the tied precincts?

Yah, that's obviously how you do it!

If you had Willy Wonkä set up an oompa loompa democracy, he would create a system eerily similar to that of Iowas!