Vote on Your Desired Priorities for P&N Moderation (A Mod Sponsored Community Poll)

[KK]

Spelling concerns me the most.

 

[waggy]

hollu fuck you can change color?weee hmm


oops sorry playing with the edits. didn't know you could do some of those.

 

[Jaskalas]

Other: Leave it alone

This forum pretty well mirrors the political tone in this country. Politics itself is all about using those things in the poll to your advantage. Other than outright bigotry (which I don't truly see a whole lot of around here, and when it is it's put down pretty quickly without moderator intervention) the president himself uses the other tactics on a regular basis. Cracking down on any of those things will turn this a pointless forum.

+1 for not going bananas.

 

[shira]

This forum pretty well mirrors the political tone in this country. Politics itself is all about using those things in the poll to your advantage. Other than outright bigotry (which I don't truly see a whole lot of around here, and when it is it's put down pretty quickly without moderator intervention) the president himself uses the other tactics on a regular basis. Cracking down on any of those things will turn this a pointless forum.

And once again you show that you're not very bright.
The use of ads in the world does not make anything but throwing ads pointless. This is supposed to be a discussion forum. The point is to get under the glossy version to the truth beneath.
Seriously, you're posting on a forum whose main site puts hardware through real-life tests so consumers have hard data to use to make their buying decisions. If you think that the world is nothing but spin you should go somewhere else. (The Apple forum may be more to your liking)

Maybe the moderators can just crack down on this useless POS.

I've included three levels of imbedded quotes because I think it's relevant.

I agree that DS's first line is confrontational, but I completely sympathize with DS's frustration at the "vision" of ATPN you're advocating.

Politics is about winning at almost any price. Fooling a gullible, misinformed, uninformed, stupid public to get their votes or support is what politicians do. Politicians aren't truth-seekers; they're anything they need to be to get their way.

Yes, that's an awfully cynical view of politics, but it's what I see from politicians almost every day. And it disgusts me. ATPN'ers who play those same games disgust me, too. There's no commitment to getting at fundamental truth. There's no principle. There's lazy spouting of ideology, and a "fvck you" attitude if you try to call them on it.

All of us have egos, and all of us are capable of playing games from time to time. But I'm referring to posters whose consistent MO is the spouting of ideology as truth, immune to principled challenge. So I completely agree with DS: Crack down on people playing politics on ATPN. Crack down on people who refuse to engage in HONEST debate. Crack down on people who willfully distort the news. I don't care what a person's positions are, as long as they're intellectually honest. But if someone shows again and again that they consistently contribute nothing intellectually to ATPN, then throw them out.

 

[monovillage]

Here's a couple quotes that I consider religious bigotry. I'm not sure if i'm hypersensitive and this is perfectly fine, or if it's just a tiny bit past the line or far past the line.

You're right.

Catholic Priests prefer School Boys and i'm sure they're not bothered about using birth control.

Catholic Priests

School Girls

I'm sure the condoms won't be wasted.

When Catholic priests molest kids, they should wear a condom, IMO.

 

[irishScott]

Here's a couple quotes that I consider religious bigotry. I'm not sure if i'm hypersensitive and this is perfectly fine, or if it's just a tiny bit past the line or far past the line.

If taken seriously they would be bigoted. Personally I detect a very large dose of sarcasm in each.

 

[wayliff]

I think it's a toss-up between 2 and 4, and that actually, elements of both could be combined.

This. I voted #2 but #4 was a very close second for me.

 

[Blackjack200]

I understand that questions about moderation are to be posted in the Mod Sub-Forum. Indeed, I was about halfway through composing what you see below when my thumb bumped the return button on the way to the mouse and the thread was apparently submitted. But if it is there, I cannot see it, and I have no way of knowing what happened to it. In any case, I'm hoping a little latitude can be given here and if this belongs in the sub-forum, it can be moved there

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2223748

The above thread was retitled from "GOP congress endangers women." to "[theatlantic] Why Did Susan G. Komen Pull the Plug on Planned Parenthood?"

The origial title was inflammatory and incorporated the view of the OP, a style that is seen from time to time on P&N. I'm not terribly fond of it, but I've come to accept it, and in the past excessively opinionized thread titles have generally eroded the reputation of the OP.

I can't remember the last time I saw a mod-edited thread title, but I certainly haven't seen it since the open mic thread and efforts to "clean up" P&N began a few weeks ago.

My only question is, is this something we can look forward to seeing regularly? i.e. if we see an unfair or inaccurate thread title, report the thread, or was this just a case that the mod felt was extraordinary and needed to be addressed?

 

[JSt0rm]

its all serious business bro.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I understand that questions about moderation are to be posted in the Mod Sub-Forum. Indeed, I was about halfway through composing what you see below when my thumb bumped the return button on the way to the mouse and the thread was apparently submitted. But if it is there, I cannot see it, and I have no way of knowing what happened to it. In any case, I'm hoping a little latitude can be given here and if this belongs in the sub-forum, it can be moved there

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2223748

The above thread was retitled from "GOP congress endangers women." to "[theatlantic] Why Did Susan G. Komen Pull the Plug on Planned Parenthood?"

The origial title was inflammatory and incorporated the view of the OP, a style that is seen from time to time on P&N. I'm not terribly fond of it, but I've come to accept it, and in the past excessively opinionized thread titles have generally eroded the reputation of the OP.

I can't remember the last time I saw a mod-edited thread title, but I certainly haven't seen it since the open mic thread and efforts to "clean up" P&N began a few weeks ago.

My only question is, is this something we can look forward to seeing regularly? i.e. if we see an unfair or inaccurate thread title, report the thread, or was this just a case that the mod felt was extraordinary and needed to be addressed?

I agree with you 100%!! Anybody who starts a thread should be held accountable for the accurateness of their thread title. Even if the source of their link is NOT accurate! Why?
Because at least we know the OP can read and actually read the article!!

Many times people insert into the thread title flamebait.......

 

[Idontcare]

My only question is, is this something we can look forward to seeing regularly? i.e. if we see an unfair or inaccurate thread title, report the thread, or was this just a case that the mod felt was extraordinary and needed to be addressed?

Yes and no.

In the near-term I will do it only on a case-by-case basis and even then only when (1) considerable forum outrage (in reported posts, not in the thread itself) is presented, and (2) upon review and research of the topic I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the thread title is misleading and/or intentionally crafted for flamebait purposes.

In the mid-to-long term I intend to have the voice of the people decide their own fate on the topic in the same spirit as we found to be effective in the Video Card and Graphics forum. (and I'll do the same for the FTFY misquote situation in time)

So for now feel free to report those threads that you feel are unproductive flamebait, but be aware that unless I can be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the title is indeed misleading or flamebait then I will be err'ing on the side of caution and leaving the title stand as is.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[JSt0rm]

What exactly is long term?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZeS-jkfbw

 

[RabidMongoose]

In the mid-to-long term I intend to have the voice of the people decide their own fate on the topic in the same spirit as we found to be effective in the Video Card and Graphics forum. (and I'll do the same for the FTFY misquote situation in time)


Administrator Idontcare

I had no idea that video card discussions were so contentious!

 

[JSt0rm]

Video cards are serious business for some people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YXWl6i2GBg

 

[cubby1223]

I had no idea that video card discussions were so contentious!

ati = Democrats
nvidia = Republicans

weren't aware of that?

 

[dmcowen674]

I understand that questions about moderation are to be posted in the Mod Sub-Forum. Indeed, I was about halfway through composing what you see below when my thumb bumped the return button on the way to the mouse and the thread was apparently submitted. But if it is there, I cannot see it, and I have no way of knowing what happened to it. In any case, I'm hoping a little latitude can be given here and if this belongs in the sub-forum, it can be moved there

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2223748

The above thread was retitled from "GOP congress endangers women." to "[theatlantic] Why Did Susan G. Komen Pull the Plug on Planned Parenthood?"

The origial title was inflammatory and incorporated the view of the OP, a style that is seen from time to time on P&N. I'm not terribly fond of it, but I've come to accept it, and in the past excessively opinionized thread titles have generally eroded the reputation of the OP.

I can't remember the last time I saw a mod-edited thread title, but I certainly haven't seen it since the open mic thread and efforts to "clean up" P&N began a few weeks ago.

My only question is, is this something we can look forward to seeing regularly? i.e. if we see an unfair or inaccurate thread title, report the thread, or was this just a case that the mod felt was extraordinary and needed to be addressed?

Pro and Anti-Abortion is just as much of a hot topic online as it is in the country so I can understand how a Mod had to act on it immediately.

It was so hot in this case that Komen reversed their decision almsot immediately as well.

 

[BoberFett]

All of us have egos, and all of us are capable of playing games from time to time. But I'm referring to posters whose consistent MO is the spouting of ideology as truth, immune to principled challenge. So I completely agree with DS: Crack down on people playing politics on ATPN. Crack down on people who refuse to engage in HONEST debate. Crack down on people who willfully distort the news. I don't care what a person's positions are, as long as they're intellectually honest. But if someone shows again and again that they consistently contribute nothing intellectually to ATPN, then throw them out.

So in other words, empty the forum? I'm willing to bet that you've already got a list of players from the other team that you have in mind, but your team isn't immune. Spin is everywhere.

 

[heymrdj]

So in other words, empty the forum? I'm willing to bet that you've already got a list of players from the other team that you have in mind, but your team isn't immune. Spin is everywhere.

If people refuse to change? Yeah empty the forum. The rules are the rules and if they wish for P&N to be a cleaner place then new rules will have to be followed. If you don't like it you're more than welcome to go to another political forum where slander, dishonesty, and over all slime accommodate one another.

 

[JSt0rm]

If people refuse to change? Yeah empty the forum. The rules are the rules and if they wish for P&N to be a cleaner place then new rules will have to be followed. If you don't like it you're more than welcome to go to another political forum where slander, dishonesty, and over all slime accommodate one another.

It wont be cleaner. It will be full of idiots with dumb ideas who think they should be protected in their stupidity.

Politics isnt videocards. You cant just test it in bf3 under a certain condition to figure out who is the winner.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Crack down on people who refuse to engage in HONEST debate.

That will not happen. The reason is simple. Sometimes there are 2 opposite viewpoints that are correct on a subject. You cannot crack down on the person who will not budge but has supporting links to support the argument.

 

[monovillage]

It wont be cleaner. It will be full of idiots with dumb ideas who think they should be protected in their stupidity.

Politics isnt videocards. You cant just test it in bf3 under a certain condition to figure out who is the winner.

QFT

 

[CanOWorms]

I don't think that bigotry would be difficult to moderate, and I hope that it is not given a low priority given the current trend of the poll. A problem with this poll, with the current set of P&N users, is that an intense level of bigotry flourishes here and drives away those who I think would be voting for bigotry to be prioritized if they stayed as active members.

 

[JSt0rm]

I don't think that bigotry would be difficult to moderate, and I hope that it is not given a low priority given the current trend of the poll. A problem with this poll, with the current set of P&N users, is that an intense level of bigotry flourishes here and drives away those who I think would be voting for bigotry to be prioritized if they stayed as active members.

i voted for bigotry. Its really the only thing on the list thats black and white enough to be moderated.

 

[Infohawk]

i voted for bigotry. Its really the only thing on the list thats black and white enough to be moderated.

You're probably talking about something different than most people. I think it's pretty clear you can't get away with calling someone a "n***er on this forum. I pretty much never see that happen. Is that what you're thinking of?

The next level of bigotry is someone calling another poster a thief simply because they are Jewish and own property in Israel. Sadly this happened recently and was not punished as far as I can tell. I have a hunch in most cases it would be punished though.

The last level (and I wouldn't call it bigotry) is something like criticizing Christianity and Christians generally. That happens on this forum and the Christians, for example, complain that people are being bigoted.

 

[Idontcare]

I don't think that bigotry would be difficult to moderate, and I hope that it is not given a low priority given the current trend of the poll. A problem with this poll, with the current set of P&N users, is that an intense level of bigotry flourishes here and drives away those who I think would be voting for bigotry to be prioritized if they stayed as active members.

i voted for bigotry. Its really the only thing on the list thats black and white enough to be moderated.

You're probably talking about something different than most people. I think it's pretty clear you can't get away with calling someone a "n***er on this forum. I pretty much never see that happen. Is that what you're thinking of?

The next level of bigotry is someone calling another poster a thief simply because they are Jewish and own property in Israel. Sadly this happened recently and was not punished as far as I can tell. I have a hunch in most cases it would be punished though.

The last level (and I wouldn't call it bigotry) is something like criticizing Christianity and Christians generally. That happens on this forum and the Christians, for example, complain that people are being bigoted.

Well we should have an frank discussion on what is bigotry, and include distinctions between what kinds of bigotry is actionable or inactionable.


Wiki definition of bigotry:

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

To me, bigotry is intolerance. For example, I may not agree with the doctrines of the Catholic church or the government policies of Pakistan but there is a difference between me not agreeing with them (and saying as much) versus me making it an objective to demonize/vilify/eliminate/eradicate their way of thinking and living...even if their way of thinking is such that they would demonize/vilify/eradicate me and my way of thinking.

There is no war in this forum, this is a place where words collide, philosophies clash, but little else is at stake. There is no reason to advance prejudice and bigotry here, first it is self-defeating, second it is unproductive, and third the forum name is "AnandTech" and Anand is not exactly the sort of individual who would be proud of knowing his forum is a safe-haven for that kind of repugnant thinking.

In my mind the question of bigotry is not a "should it be sanctioned" but rather is more a question of "how does the community want to define it and eliminate it so that everyone in the process has a fair shake".

The thief post was reprehensible, I spent some time in pm's on that issue. I was not personally satisfied with the outcome of that specific event but this is a process, Rome wasn't built in a day.