Vote on Your Desired Priorities for P&N Moderation (A Mod Sponsored Community Poll)

[irishScott]

I don't think there should be any punishment for not providing any support for your position. When people do not support their position after being asked to do so, we should just mention that an unsupported position is not worth discussing and move on.

But it won't stop the perpetrator from posting it, regardless of how worthless or inane it is. Those who use P&N as a sounding board aren't interested in if their position is worth discussing or not. A simple dismissal won't stop them. And not everyone here is mature enough to adopt that attitude anyway. If simply ignoring such opinions was a valid solution, said opinions wouldn't be the most popular option in the poll and "trolling" would be unheard of.

Besides, like I said in the bolded section of my post, you don't have to provide any support for your opinion, so long as you recognize/cite in your posts that it is simply your opinion, and that a scholarly source contradicting that opinion wins the debate without opposing evidence. Most of the people who need to be controlled will not recognize this willingly, ergo there must be concrete punishments. What I'm asking for is the equivalent of penalties in a sport. Imagine your favorite sport without penalties. That's what we have now.

In addition it would encourage people to actually research what they post, I imagine the discussions would go up significantly in intelligence.

I guess I'd rather see P&N as a "casually-structured political debate" forum vs a "political discussion" forum, because the latter has rarely produced anything good. Eventually some idiot comes along and posts, at best, an unsubstantiated argument and at worst a flamebait one-liner that derails the thread and produces more of the same behavior that derails the thread exponentially.

 

[cybrsage]

But it won't stop the perpetrator from posting it, regardless of how worthless or inane it is. Those who use P&N as a sounding board aren't interested in if their position is worth discussing or not. A simple dismissal won't stop them. And not everyone here is mature enough to adopt that attitude anyway. If simply ignoring such opinions was a valid solution, said opinions wouldn't be the most popular option in the poll and "trolling" would be unheard of.

Besides, like I said in the bolded section of my post, you don't have to provide any support for your opinion, so long as you recognize/cite in your posts that it is simply your opinion, and that a scholarly source contradicting that opinion wins the debate without opposing evidence. Most of the people who need to be controlled will not recognize this willingly, ergo there must be concrete punishments. What I'm asking for is the equivalent of penalties in a sport. Imagine your favorite sport without penalties. That's what we have now.

In addition it would encourage people to actually research what they post, I imagine the discussions would go up significantly in intelligence.

I guess I'd rather see P&N as a "casually-structured political debate" forum vs a "political discussion" forum, because the latter has rarely produced anything good. Eventually some idiot comes along and posts, at best, an unsubstantiated argument and at worst a flamebait one-liner that derails the thread and produces more of the same behavior that derails the thread exponentially.

All good points. Have to think about it a bit, probably will change my position.

 

[Karl Agathon]

I kept going back between 2 and 4 for a while, but finally decided on 2 by a little. Although I think both can be very intertwine at times. I have noticed some very personal attacks here lately. One escpecially in particular. The poster was attacked becuase of his religion. it was borderline stormfront material.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don't think there should be any punishment for not providing any support for your position. When people do not support their position after being asked to do so, we should just mention that an unsupported position is not worth discussing and move on.

True! As long as they don`t turn that non support into thread crapping and personnal attcks,,,etc,,,etc

 

[BoberFett]

And once again you show that you're not very bright.
The use of ads in the world does not make anything but throwing ads pointless. This is supposed to be a discussion forum. The point is to get under the glossy version to the truth beneath.
Seriously, you're posting on a forum whose main site puts hardware through real-life tests so consumers have hard data to use to make their buying decisions. If you think that the world is nothing but spin you should go somewhere else. (The Apple forum may be more to your liking)

Maybe the moderators can just crack down on this useless POS.

 

[dank69]

Maybe the moderators can just crack down on this useless POS.

Is that because you don't like what he is saying or because you don't like the way he is saying it? Or both?

 

[RabidMongoose]

I don't think there should be any punishment for not providing any support for your position. When people do not support their position after being asked to do so, we should just mention that an unsupported position is not worth discussing and move on.

I think that should be fine if the information isn't easily found after one search on Google. For example, look at the Ron Paul threads. We have to keep saying the same thing over and over again because certain people have no idea about Ron Paul. The stuff is fairly well known and easy to find if you spend about 2 seconds on Google. However, some people seem to have no idea about it and are confused, and some have had to explain the Constitution, Bill of Rights, incorporation doctrine, and then Paul's platform over and over again, at least 50 times so far.

 

[DrPizza]

I think it's a toss-up between 2 and 4, and that actually, elements of both could be combined.

 

[911paramedic]

I think it's a toss-up between 2 and 4, and that actually, elements of both could be combined.

That's what I was thinking. The only difference is #2 is targeted at an individual and #4 is targeted at the thread. But that can change very quickly if people with grudges get in the same thread and start doing #2, it quickly becomes #4 because it's now an argument and derailed the thread.
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I voted #4. I think a thread should stay on topic as much as possible. If I click on the title and expect to read about Obama's Health Care Plans and get into it a bit only to have it degrade into something Bush did, or how illegal immigrants ruin healthcare, or welfare, etc., it's not worth adding to the conversation, because there isn't one. Pick a thread topic that's more than 50 responses long and I bet regulars in P&N could tell you, without reading anything but the thread title, what is being discussed at that point.

You couldn't pay me to moderate a P&N forum.

 

[JSt0rm]

of course racial discrimination is near the bottom of the list.

Also isnt your 2:1 ratio kind of screwed? I mean you have 2 answers for mod and 1 for without and at the end you combined the 2 for moderation as 1. It seems you are already set on your actions and are just using the polling to reinforce what you already planned. Quiet the mental masturbation you have going on here.


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[JEDIYoda]

You couldn't pay me to moderate a P&N forum.

You could pay me...hehehe
Well OK..I would do it for free...lolool

 

[JEDIYoda]

of course racial discrimination is near the bottom of the list.

Why do you think that could be??

IMO it`s most likely because way too many people throw that accusation around freely and often it just is not true!
Yes -- We both know that when it is obvious it needs to be dealt with and harshly I might add!!

 

[RabidMongoose]

Why do you think that could be??

IMO it`s most likely because way too many people throw that accusation around freely and often it just is not true!
Yes -- We both know that when it is obvious it needs to be dealt with and harshly I might add!!

I think that the forum has a very severe problem with racial issues, but it's probably at the bottom of the list because I think that racism/bigotry is frequently tied to the other issues. Like there are race or bigotry based personal attacks and so forth.

Someone mentioned this earlier, but there does seem to be a very low percentage of posters here of various minority backgrounds when compared to the off-topic forum. I find that to be very odd.

 

[JSt0rm]

So why is it on the list at all then? I mean if anand has already stated there is 0 tolerance for it then why ask us about the importance of it? This whole thing stinks.

 

[irishScott]

So why is it on the list at all then? I mean if anand has already stated there is 0 tolerance for it then why ask us about the importance of it? This whole thing stinks.

When was the last time anand was seen on the forums? Let alone P&N. Rules are only as effective as their enforcement.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by JSt0rm
So why is it on the list at all then? I mean if anand has already stated there is 0 tolerance for it then why ask us about the importance of it? This whole thing stinks.

When was the last time anand was seen on the forums? Let alone P&N. Rules are only as effective as their enforcement.

So true, I'll believe it when I see it.

The little enforcement there has ever been reminds me of my case, selective prosecution.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You couldn't pay me to moderate a P&N forum.

You could pay me...hehehe
Well OK..I would do it for free...lolool

Without consistency and support - it is not worth the aggravation

 

[JSt0rm]

When was the last time anand was seen on the forums? Let alone P&N. Rules are only as effective as their enforcement.

Why would he need or want to come hang out here? He told the mods that racial slurs are not tolerable and thats all he needs to say. So then why is it in a list of whats important to the community?

 

[cybrsage]

I think that should be fine if the information isn't easily found after one search on Google. For example, look at the Ron Paul threads. We have to keep saying the same thing over and over again because certain people have no idea about Ron Paul. The stuff is fairly well known and easy to find if you spend about 2 seconds on Google. However, some people seem to have no idea about it and are confused, and some have had to explain the Constitution, Bill of Rights, incorporation doctrine, and then Paul's platform over and over again, at least 50 times so far.

I find I have to explain Messianic Judaism over and over again...but I do it happily, as each time I explain it that means there is another posting of the truth for others to stumble across.

 

[Idontcare]

So why is it on the list at all then? I mean if anand has already stated there is 0 tolerance for it then why ask us about the importance of it? This whole thing stinks.

Why would he need or want to come hang out here? He told the mods that racial slurs are not tolerable and thats all he needs to say. So then why is it in a list of whats important to the community?

Its on the list because obviously we are curious where the community ranks it relative to the other things on the list.

There is a reason the following statement was included in the OP:

We can't do everything all at once, so vote here on what you feel is the MOST pressing issue for P&N with the understanding that the other poll options are not going to be ignored, just ranked lower in priority for the immediate future.

If you continue to thread-crap or attempt to derail this thread then you are going to be sanctioned for it. This is not the Open Mic thread.

Administrator Idontcare

 

[Sinsear]

Holy shit can we just leave it alone already?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Other: Leave it alone

This forum pretty well mirrors the political tone in this country. Politics itself is all about using those things in the poll to your advantage. Other than outright bigotry (which I don't truly see a whole lot of around here, and when it is it's put down pretty quickly without moderator intervention) the president himself uses the other tactics on a regular basis. Cracking down on any of those things will turn this a pointless forum.

This. We had too much in years past(whole different issue) but in recent years the consistency has been better and obvious trolls and issues are taken care of. Adding more moderation is just going to get us back to the era of political bias and inconsistency.

 

[JSt0rm]

 

[shortylickens]

I put insults and thread crapping under the same category.

Derailing I am not too concerned with. Its a tech forum for one thing, and politics rarely ends up where they start.

 

[Rebel44]

all of them.