Vonage 911 lawsuit

Abe Froman

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HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- Texas sued the nation's largest Internet-based phone service provider Tuesday, saying Vonage failed to clearly inform customers they cannot automatically dial 911 when they sign up.

The lawsuit follows a case last month when a 17-year-old Houston girl was unable to call 911 on her family's Vonage service during an armed robbery in which her parents were shot and wounded. The girl ran to a neighbor's home and called for help.

The suit was filed under the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act and seeks to require Vonage Holdings Corp. to more clearly inform consumers that they must separately sign up for the 911 feature.

"People find out too late that this service might not be available," Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said at a news conference Tuesday attended by members of the family whose home was robbed.

Vonage spokeswoman Brooke Schulz said customers are informed of the separate activation on two pages on the Internet registration form. She also said that e-mail notifications are sent to customers who fail to activate the emergency service.

"We're at a loss as to what they want us to change, but we're open to any changes they want," Schulz said.

Abbott wants Vonage to include the information in advertising and include a checkoff on the service agreement to make sure people know.

He said information about the type of emergency service Vonage offers is found in the fine print on the Web site, but it is not explained on television commercials or brochures. Customers who sign up for service through call centers also are not told.

The lawsuit seeks $20,000 per violation. Abbott said he did not know how many violations there would be.

Edison, New Jersey-based Vonage has more than 500,000 subscribers.
 

Abe Froman

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Perhaps someone didn't check their e-mail?!?!

Edit- Here is the e-mail they send you when you sign up...perhaps this was enacted after the above events took place.
********************************************************
Thank you for requesting 911 Dialing for phone number XXX-XXX-XXXX. Please read the following information carefully.

DIALING 911 IS NOT YET ACTIVATED ON YOUR PHONE LINE. THIS PROCESS MAY TAKE SEVERAL DAYS. DO NOT DIAL 911 FROM THIS PHONE LINE UNTIL YOU GET A CONFIRMATION EMAIL FROM US.

Please review these steps to better understand how Vonage 's Dialing 911 feature works.

. Using the information you provided, we will map your address and telephone number to your area's nearest Public Safety Answering Point ("PSAP").

. This process will be completed within several days.

. We will email you a CONFIRMATION LETTER as soon as the 911 Dialing feature has been activated for XXX-XXX-XXXX. (Note that if you have multiple Vonage numbers you MUST activate 911 Dialing for each number separately.)

. When you dial 911 from your Vonage phone, your call is routed from the Vonage network over the Public Switch Telephone Network ("PSTN") to your PSAP's general number, where a trained professional will provide you with assistance.

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT 911 DIALING IS DIFFERENT THAN TRADITIONAL 911. We encourage you to login to your Vonage account and click on Features in your Account Dashboard to learn more.

Please contact us by:

Email: customercare@vonage.com
Toll Free Phone: 1-VONAGE-HELP (1-866-243-4357)
Fax: 1732-333-1353
24 hours a day, 7 days a week
 

StageLeft

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I would say given that they offer this as a "replacement" for a phone line, it shouild be very clearly stated that 911 doesn't work. I suppose if there is an email (and not one of a million other stupid ones from them) saying as much, then they should be covered.
 

Spencer278

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Why can't they just make 911 work as soon as the rest of the phone is activated?

Edit: I would say that having a notice that it doesn't work is not acceptable. It would be like have a notice on a car that you need to activate the brakes.
 

Abe Froman

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Why can't they just make 911 work as soon as the rest of the phone is activated?

Edit: I would say that having a notice that it doesn't work is not acceptable. It would be like have a notice on a car that you need to activate the brakes.

Good point, however, all you have to do is submit an e-mail and they set it up...by the way, how many households (read households that have high speed internet and other such technologies) don't have a cell phone?
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
Why can't they just make 911 work as soon as the rest of the phone is activated?

Becuase unlike any other phone number thier customers might dial 911 needs to go to a different location depending on the location of the customer.
 

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Criminal corporations rule the world without respect for life. They respect money, though. How long are we going to accept to be ruled by money machines? It is like being ruled by alien robots!
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Why can't they just make 911 work as soon as the rest of the phone is activated?

Becuase unlike any other phone number thier customers might dial 911 needs to go to a different location depending on the location of the customer.


It is all dynamic and doesnt depend on where you live. If I go 1000 miles away and dial 911 I get the local operator.

I dont for the life of me understand why it isnt an automatic thing. What i really dont understand is companies like Sprint charging people a buck everytime they call 9-11.

One of the many reasons I left that joke of a company.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Why can't they just make 911 work as soon as the rest of the phone is activated?

Becuase unlike any other phone number thier customers might dial 911 needs to go to a different location depending on the location of the customer.


It is all dynamic and doesnt depend on where you live. If I go 1000 miles away and dial 911 I get the local operator.

I dont for the life of me understand why it isnt an automatic thing. What i really dont understand is companies like Sprint charging people a buck everytime they call 9-11.

One of the many reasons I left that joke of a company.

A couple of things.

I work in Telecom and currently on a 911 PSAP project mandated by the FCC.

The 911 PSAP system is fragmented across the Country. It shouldn't be but it is.

So the 911 system you depend on varies on it's equipment and effectiveness depending on where you live.

This also contributes to the problem of figuring out what PSAP you are in and your phone number should be tapped in to.

I agree that maybe the phone service should not be activated until the correct PSAP is plugged in and tested. We have to make 911 Test calls to the PSAP whenever we do work on the system to make sure the system works and goes to the correct PSAP.

I did not know Sprint charges a $1 for every 911 call.

So basically Sprint has determined human lives are worth $1, interesting.



 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Why can't they just make 911 work as soon as the rest of the phone is activated?

Becuase unlike any other phone number thier customers might dial 911 needs to go to a different location depending on the location of the customer.


It is all dynamic and doesnt depend on where you live. If I go 1000 miles away and dial 911 I get the local operator.

I dont for the life of me understand why it isnt an automatic thing. What i really dont understand is companies like Sprint charging people a buck everytime they call 9-11.

One of the many reasons I left that joke of a company.

Cell phone service is a whole different beast than broadband phone service, did you not notice that this isssue is in regard to the latter?
 

Genx87

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oops I didnt read the article close enough to notice this isnt a cell phone issue ;)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Cell phone service is a whole different beast than broadband phone service, did you not notice that this isssue is in regard to the latter?

No, not really, it is a fancy Walkie Talkie system that ties in with the same PSAPs as the Land Line system.
 

Miramonti

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Slightly OT, but contacting emergency services is why I wouldn't consider voip...if the power goes out its useless and you have to have a cell phone handy, which also has issues.
 

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Originally posted by: jjsole
Slightly OT, but contacting emergency services is why I wouldn't consider voip...if the power goes out its useless and you have to have a cell phone handy, which also has issues.
Yes it's one of the reasons we've not done it either.
 

kylebisme

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And just think, you could have done it and then sued when your power went out and realized it didnt work. ;)
 

d3n

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A local Cisco rep provided our unit with about 40 phones and other VOIP equipment to demo for about 3 months. One of the things that we had to account for before we could put it out on the bigwigs desks was 911 functionality. As it is, anyone not primarly using the phone wouldn?t know it was just a test setup. 911 had to work.

That being said, Cisco?s call manager makes e911 pretty easy to set up with VOIP phones. Tricky part was tying it into our POTs PBX. Power issues were addressed by preexisting battery/generator backups to the closests and power over ethernet.

Otherwise I think that VOIP has awesome potential to make everyone safer. With just a few clicks I had a call group up that could ring every phone on the campus and spit out an emergency action message with a graphical display. Something that would have taken a call-up tree to do beforehand.


Kinda reminds me of a next gen Emergency Broadcast System.