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MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Googer
... the door itself is not visible. In south Florida, basements are built above ground if at all, since the water table is very high. ...

ever heard of plastic, noob?

By your logic swimming pools are impossible, since all the water would seep out into the surrounding ground...and ships can't float, since their hull is below the water level and will slowly fill with water.

:thumbsup::laugh:
 

Ilmater

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: Googer
Anyways, this reminds me of two ads For the FORD Sport KA (European/UK)

http://members.aol.com/googersmith/cat.mpg

http://members.aol.com/googersmith/pigeon.mpg

What, you mean both FAKE?

members.AOL.com

That explains a lot. Please uninstall The Internet.

- M4H


So what do you mean by that?

"Get the fvck out."

- M4H
After all this crap Googer has been spreading, I thought it necessary to carry this post over to the last page.

GOOGER! READ THIS AGAIN!!!
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
ok, im sick of the crap being thrown around by googer about basements. ive designed 300+ foundations in areas that you would think were impossible to develop. a high water table means you need an engineer that isnt a retard; thats all. in Irving, Texas, the water table is 5-8 feet below surface, yet we still manage to build houses on steep hills with no retaining structures to hold the load. go figure!

high water tables are EASILY countered with piers. below water, there is always rock. soil has a safe loading pressure of 1500lbs/in^2, but you can go up to 4000 since 1500 has a large safety zone built in. all that matters when you are designing a house is the potential vertical rise (PVR) and plasticity (PI). if you have a PVR of > 4", that means the height in the soil can change 4 inches in the span of a year (or 4 seasons, including 1 wet and 1 dry season). in Irving, ive designed 150,000sq. ft. multi-level slabs on a PVR of 14-16". that takes a big crap on residential contruction criteria, even in a place like florida.

the second factor is PI. that is the soils ability to retain water without swelling. the higher the PI, the less water it can hold until it starts losing its ability to retain usable Qu (loading pressure). the worst it gets is high 70s or low 80s (found mostly on coast lines). again, once you hit that saturation, you rely on the engineering. how the hell do you think they build skyscrappers and massive hotels on coast lines? surely if that can be done, a house with less than 4000lb reactions (specific force at a point in metal structures) can have a basement.

as for new orleans, it is no different in terms of PVR, PI, or Qu than anywhere else that experiences unfavorable soil conditions for construction.


edit: i forgot the most important part of this...basement design! basements are sometimes less susceptible to movement than the actual house. a properly designed french drain and sump pump can keep any basement dry. if you guys dont think so, its just because wherever you have lived, the builders were using the "cheap" or "light" engineers. if the engineering is done properly, there is almost no obstacle which can not be overcome for residential use. dont forget that prestressed concrete can hold many thousands of pounds for long distances, and only the perimeter of a house is going to lift or sag, so once again, proper engineering will counter this water "problem".


I am not saying it cannot be done, I just mean that in florida odds are greater that you will be struck by lightning than to move in to a home with a basement here, because they are very rare.

The same is true for Texas (new mexico and arizona), when was the last time you went in to the basement of the alamo?
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Googer
... the door itself is not visible. In south Florida, basements are built above ground if at all, since the water table is very high. ...

ever heard of plastic, noob?

By your logic swimming pools are impossible, since all the water would seep out into the surrounding ground...and ships can't float, since their hull is below the water level and will slowly fill with water.

:thumbsup::laugh:


Dont, take the quote out of context please include the link when posting some ones quotes.
I copied and pasted that from a real-estate website.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Googer
... the door itself is not visible. In south Florida, basements are built above ground if at all, since the water table is very high. ...

ever heard of plastic, noob?

By your logic swimming pools are impossible, since all the water would seep out into the surrounding ground...and ships can't float, since their hull is below the water level and will slowly fill with water.

You forgot to include the link i got that quote from. So next time you quote someone include the full quote, so that things are not taken out of context.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Googer
... the door itself is not visible. In south Florida, basements are built above ground if at all, since the water table is very high. ...

ever heard of plastic, noob?

By your logic swimming pools are impossible, since all the water would seep out into the surrounding ground...and ships can't float, since their hull is below the water level and will slowly fill with water.

:thumbsup::laugh:


I live near the shore line and all of the homes here have swimming pools that are installed in to concrete slabs that are 3-5 feet above the soil line, the pools are level with the homes foundation but the deepest end of the pool goes below the soil line. If you drive a bit more inland swimming pools are directly level with the soil, give or take 2-6 inches.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: Googer

I am not saying it cannot be done, I just mean that in florida odds are greater that you will be struck by lightning than to move in to a home with a basement here, because they are very rare.

The same is true for Texas (new mexico and arizona), when was the last time you went in to the basement of the alamo?

if i hadnt designed foundations in the DFW area, i would be inclined to see your point. however, i designed tons of houses with massive basements, so your analogy is useless.

edit: in texas
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Googer
... the door itself is not visible. In south Florida, basements are built above ground if at all, since the water table is very high. ...

ever heard of plastic, noob?

By your logic swimming pools are impossible, since all the water would seep out into the surrounding ground...and ships can't float, since their hull is below the water level and will slowly fill with water.

:thumbsup::laugh:


I live near the shore line and all of the homes here have swimming pools that are installed in to concrete slabs that are 3-5 feet above the soil line, the pools are level with the homes foundation but the deepest end of the pool goes below the soil line. If you drive a bit more inland swimming pools are directly level with the soil, give or take 2-6 inches.

and your point is?
 

Googer

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My point is i know that swimming pools are not impossible and was just describing the differant types I have seen in differant areas of florida.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Googer
... the door itself is not visible. In south Florida, basements are built above ground if at all, since the water table is very high. ...

ever heard of plastic, noob?

By your logic swimming pools are impossible, since all the water would seep out into the surrounding ground...and ships can't float, since their hull is below the water level and will slowly fill with water.

You forgot to include the link i got that quote from. So next time you quote someone include the full quote, so that things are not taken out of context.

"Out of context"? That would imply that what I quoted did not reflect your actual opinions. If that's the case, then why did you post this:

Originally posted by: Googer
I am not saying it cannot be done, I just mean that in florida odds are greater that you will be struck by lightning than to move in to a home with a basement here, because they are very rare.

The same is true for Texas (new mexico and arizona), when was the last time you went in to the basement of the alamo?
Look, if you had just said "In Florida and other areas with a high water table, basements are rare because they experience flooding problems", that would be one thing. But you're talking like there are only two people with basements in Florida, which is simply not the case.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: Googer

I am not saying it cannot be done, I just mean that in florida odds are greater that you will be struck by lightning than to move in to a home with a basement here, because they are very rare.

The same is true for Texas (new mexico and arizona), when was the last time you went in to the basement of the alamo?

if i hadnt designed foundations in the DFW area, i would be inclined to see your point. however, i designed tons of houses with massive basements, so your analogy is useless.

edit: in texas


Where is the DFW area? There are about as many polar bears in florida as there are basements. I repeat, there are homes in these areas and verry few of them have a basement. It is as rare as a Honus Wagner tobacco card.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: Googer

I am not saying it cannot be done, I just mean that in florida odds are greater that you will be struck by lightning than to move in to a home with a basement here, because they are very rare.

The same is true for Texas (new mexico and arizona), when was the last time you went in to the basement of the alamo?

if i hadnt designed foundations in the DFW area, i would be inclined to see your point. however, i designed tons of houses with massive basements, so your analogy is useless.

edit: in texas


Where is the DFW area? There are about as many polar bears in florida as there are basements. I repeat, there are home in these areas and verry few of them have a basement. It is as rare as a Homus Wagner tobacco card.

so many analogies...can you not express yourself without them? DFW = dallas/fort worth, one of the largest city areas in the country.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Googer
... the door itself is not visible. In south Florida, basements are built above ground if at all, since the water table is very high. ...

ever heard of plastic, noob?

By your logic swimming pools are impossible, since all the water would seep out into the surrounding ground...and ships can't float, since their hull is below the water level and will slowly fill with water.

You forgot to include the link i got that quote from. So next time you quote someone include the full quote, so that things are not taken out of context.

"Out of context"? That would imply that what I quoted did not reflect your actual opinions. If that's the case, then why did you post this:

Originally posted by: Googer
I am not saying it cannot be done, I just mean that in florida odds are greater that you will be struck by lightning than to move in to a home with a basement here, because they are very rare.

The same is true for Texas (new mexico and arizona), when was the last time you went in to the basement of the alamo?
Look, if you had just said "In Florida and other areas with a high water table, basements are rare because they experience flooding problems", that would be one thing. But you're talking like there are only two people with basements in Florida, which is simply not the case.

I am not going to bother looking back, but I may have forgotten to include the link so here it is:

http://www.flicklives.com/FanPages/dh_006/house_pics.htm
 

huesmann

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Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Amol
thats NOT made by VW

its a fake

plus, REPOST


It is, but it's a European model for sale only in Europe. Also notice the steering wheel is on the opposite side.




In cars made for the European market, the steering wheel is on the same side as for the U.S. market.
What about cars made for the UK market, huh, bub?
 

Aharami

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Originally posted by: Amol
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Amol
thats NOT made by VW

its a fake

plus, REPOST


It is, but it's a European model for sale only in Europe. Also notice the steering wheel is on the opposite side.

i meant the commercial :roll:

and the Polo is just a European Golf

huh?? :confused:
you DO know that Europe has the same exact Golf as NA does, right?
Polo is a different car...not available in US
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: Googer
jagec, do you live in a florida home with a basement?

No, but a realtor.com search for Miami homes with basements (not counting rentals or condos) gives me 3,603 matches. This is out of 12,936 homes listed in the miami, FL area. Given that the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are 1/700,000 , some estimate their are 50 Honus Wagner baseball cards in existance (out of untold millions of all baseball cards), and the only polar bears in Florida are those in zoos, I'd say your analogy is stretched a little too far. Mind you, it's very possible that many of those listings do not, in fact, have basements...but if EVEN A SINGLE ONE of those houses has a basement, your analogy breaks.
 

feralkid

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Originally posted by: huesmann
Originally posted by: feralkid
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Amol
thats NOT made by VW

its a fake

plus, REPOST


It is, but it's a European model for sale only in Europe. Also notice the steering wheel is on the opposite side.









In cars made for the European market, the steering wheel is on the same side as for the U.S. market.
What about cars made for the UK market, huh, bub?

What about cars made for the Japanese market?

I don't get your point...I was clarifying a fact regarding the European Market.


:confused:
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Googer
jagec, do you live in a florida home with a basement?

No, but a realtor.com search for Miami homes with basements (not counting rentals or condos) gives me 3,603 matches. This is out of 12,936 homes listed in the miami, FL area. Given that the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are 1/700,000 , some estimate their are 50 Honus Wagner baseball cards in existance (out of untold millions of all baseball cards), and the only polar bears in Florida are those in zoos, I'd say your analogy is stretched a little too far. Mind you, it's very possible that many of those listings do not, in fact, have basements...but if EVEN A SINGLE ONE of those houses has a basement, your analogy breaks.
the only polar bears in Florida are those in zoos,

Correct. And you are right out of the tens of thousands of listing in the miami area 3k is a very small amount ( <1%).
 

Googer

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I have been here 20+ years and visited and looked at homes all over the state that were built anywhere from 1850 to 2004 and I have yet to see a basement.
My sister just built her home 2 years ago and none of the Model Homes or blue prints had basements like they do Up north where almost every home built has one.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: UbiSunt
Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Oh this is a cute little fight. Although a little one-sided...

And basements can be flood-proofed, even if the water table was level with the topography. I live in Michigan, trust me.
My friend has a house with a basement in New Orleans. If you can have one there, you can have one anywhere.

/end discussion

I don't believe you and never will unless the house is built on the levee itself. New Orleans is almost twenty feet below sea level. The water table is what the streets float on. I'm pretty sure that you've never been to Louisiana and certainly not New Orleans.
LOL, I lived in NO for over 20 years, dumbass. Born and raised.
It's on the corner of Plum and Broadway, across from JL (Tulane all girls dorm). The house is over 100 years old. Go knock on the door and ask to see his basement. BTW, Tulane's UC has a basement (well, it did before they demolished it, don't know if the new one will too), I worked at WTUL in the basement for 2 years.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: UbiSunt
Originally posted by: werk
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Oh this is a cute little fight. Although a little one-sided...

And basements can be flood-proofed, even if the water table was level with the topography. I live in Michigan, trust me.
My friend has a house with a basement in New Orleans. If you can have one there, you can have one anywhere.

/end discussion

I don't believe you and never will unless the house is built on the levee itself. New Orleans is almost twenty feet below sea level. The water table is what the streets float on. I'm pretty sure that you've never been to Louisiana and certainly not New Orleans.
LOL, I lived in NO for over 20 years, dumbass. Born and raised.
It's on the corner of Plum and Broadway, across from JL (Tulane all girls dorm). The house is over 100 years old. Go knock on the door and ask to see his basement. BTW, Tulane's UC has a basement (well, it did before they demolished it, don't know if the new one will too), I worked at WTUL in the basement for 2 years.

give it up werk. if they skipped over my post and also dont believe you, they are just morons. i already explained why basements are perfectly feasible, but it wont sink in.