Volkswagen Deliberately Modified Nearly Half a Million Cars to Evade US Smog Standard

[stormkroe]

if you are going to ban them, then do it for all segments

We call those guys 'D-bags'. There are settings on most tuners that control the amount of 'smoke' your vehicle makes, it's COMPLETELY for show. There is no performance gain whatsoever. In fact, the next time you see a new, stock, 1 ton diesel, take a look inside the tailpipe. You'll be surprised at how clean it is.

 

[Knowing]

IIRC, Banks Power holds multiple 1/4 and land speed records with diesels. None of them "roll coal." Particulate emissions are for idiots.

Interesting how much larger their fine is than GM's when GM was on the hook for killing people.

 

[Tsavo]

Interesting how much larger their fine is than GM's when GM was on the hook for killing people.

Not that interesting. Different agencies, different responses.

 

[Knowing]

Not that interesting. Different agencies, different responses.

I'm sure it's comforting to the families of the deceased to know that the government has its priorities correctly aligned. After finally getting around to moaning about GM killing over a hundred people (Toyotas being improperly driven by oldsters took off faster and lasted longer) our illustrious government finally hauled GMs brand new female CEO in front of congress to pretend to get to the bottom of it before issuing a bargain basement fine.

The same group of people wrote the governing legislation for both agencies, if this wasn't their intention then perhaps they're also shitty at their jobs.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm sure it's comforting to the families of the deceased to know that the government has its priorities correctly aligned. After finally getting around to moaning about GM killing over a hundred people (Toyotas being improperly driven by oldsters took off faster and lasted longer) our illustrious government finally hauled GMs brand new female CEO in front of congress to pretend to get to the bottom of it before issuing a bargain basement fine.

The same group of people wrote the governing legislation for both agencies, if this wasn't their intention then perhaps they're also shitty at their jobs.

What is your argument? That vw shouldnt be fined a lot or that gm should of been fined more? I dont understand.

I heard on npr (liberal scum I know) that the epa has a 37,000 fine for each instance and that comes out to over 18 billion in fines alone. Thats before recalls and lawsuits from consumers.

plus vw has been trying to stop investigators for the past year into this. oops. That is bad in the eyes of the court.

 

[Knowing]

What is your argument? That vw shouldnt be fined a lot or that gm should of been fined more? I dont understand.

I heard on npr (liberal scum I know) that the epa has a 37,000 fine for each instance and that comes out to over 18 billion in fines alone. Thats before recalls and lawsuits from consumers.

plus vw has been trying to stop investigators for the past year into this. oops. That is bad in the eyes of the court.

Either one, both. Chevrolet denied that it was a problem, blamed the customers, denied the recalls and was generally uncooperative before throwing the brand new CEO (who wasn't responsible in the first place) under the bus because (speculating here) they knew congress wouldn't punish her for what she didn't do.

It's crucial to remember that this is the same government that sold the shares of GM it shouldn't have purchased in the first place at a $11 billion loss. I'm sure that played no part in the decision on the amount of the fine.

I occasionally listen to NPR and watch public television. I subscribe to liberalism. I distrust the democrats, to put it gently. I understand that disagreeing with "the party" makes me a mouth breathing, wife beating radical conservative neo-nazi - but that's an ascribed status.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Another example of a private entity doing something fucked up - yeah, I would totally love to sign up for more of that.

I'm pretty sure the corporate cheerleaders just want to see the world get screwed up, nothing more.

 

[Jimzz]

Now VW/Audi has admitted its not 500k, but 11 MILLION diesels worldwide that have the fraudulent software.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/volkwagen-emissions-scandal_56012d56e4b00310edf8698a


Good luck VW/Audi share holders.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Now VW/Audi has admitted its not 500k, but 11 MILLION diesels worldwide that have the fraudulent software.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/volkwagen-emissions-scandal_56012d56e4b00310edf8698a


Good luck VW/Audi share holders.

To be fair, this isn't surprising. They were saying 500 some odd thousand in the US - that 11 million number is worldwide. We knew that was coming...now, what other countries do remains to be seen (and if they actually violated other country's laws even. I gather the EU's regulations are not nearly as strict.)

From talking to someone at Chaplin's VW/Subaru, they seem to be saying that the fix won't effect performance or gas mileage, and does not effect Audi cars, either. Not sure I believe all of this, though.

 

[Jimzz]

To be fair, this isn't surprising. They were saying 500 some odd thousand in the US - that 11 million number is worldwide. We knew that was coming...now, what other countries do remains to be seen (and if they actually violated other country's laws even. I gather the EU's regulations are not nearly as strict.)

From talking to someone at Chaplin's VW/Subaru, they seem to be saying that the fix won't effect performance or gas mileage, and does not effect Audi cars, either. Not sure I believe all of this, though.

I call bunk as if it did not affect mileage and/or performance then why do it at all? And yes the Audi A3, sold before 2015, is included in this mess.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I call bunk as if it did not affect mileage and/or performance then why do it at all? And yes the Audi A3, sold before 2015, is included in this mess.

Only news I've seen on the A3 is that "it uses the same engine" sure - it does. But my A4 shares the 2.0T with a bunch of other cars too, and those engines get considerably less performance (in excess of 50 ft/lb less, I think?)

If this defeat device is in software (contrary to its name) then it's entirely possible, I would think, that the VW TDIs be affected while the Audi ones are not. Not saying that's likely, but possible.

But yes - I doubt the effect on the MPG and emissions will really be negligible. I also don't believe it's 40 times worse in emissions except in a few specific circumstances.

 

[overst33r]

These are the VW vehicles affected for now (US). Probably any Audi that shares the same engine as well. The V6 TDI is also under investigation apparently.

http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/documents/vw-nov-caa-09-18-15.pdf

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...-investigation-to-include-3-0l-v6-engine.html

 

[RampantAndroid]

These are the vehicles affected (US)

Interesting then - I wonder why the higher level Audi TDIs remain off that list. Do they just not share an engine (looks like not, if it's 2.0L only)? Or do they use Urea? Does VW (meaning, not Audi) use anything other than a 2.0L TDI?

 

[PliotronX]

We call those guys 'D-bags'. There are settings on most tuners that control the amount of 'smoke' your vehicle makes, it's COMPLETELY for show. There is no performance gain whatsoever. In fact, the next time you see a new, stock, 1 ton diesel, take a look inside the tailpipe. You'll be surprised at how clean it is.

Yup! I hate being behind these tiny wanged individuals on my Suzuki. Ironically they always try to out accelerate me and my two wheels. If there was a way to chemically remove their overactive egos...

 

[overst33r]

 

[sm625]

I think this is a geopolitical strategy based retaliatory attack on Germany. They probably knew about this for years and used it to try to blackmail Germany but Germany called the bluff. VW should just pull out of this market. Let the americans drive their junk cars with cleaner emissions, exploding gas tanks, and fatal ignitions. We appear to be truly headed for an era of protectionism, tariffs and general reduced trade, which means the Depression will hit even harder.

 

[Blackjack200]

I think this is a geopolitical strategy based retaliatory attack on Germany. They probably knew about this for years and used it to try to blackmail Germany but Germany called the bluff. VW should just pull out of this market. Let the americans drive their junk cars with cleaner emissions, exploding gas tanks, and fatal ignitions.

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my life.

That said, VW is incredibly important to the German economy, and by extension, the European economy. This scandal is big enough to end VW as a going concern. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/can-volkswagen-pass-its-emissions-test-2015-09-22

Rather than the huge fines, I'd love to see some kind of arrangement where the US and other victimized countries each get a small equity stake in VW, including warrents for additional equity if VW recovers. The people that were involved in the fraud should be (and probably will be) prosecuted by Germany and corporate officers replaced. Eventually the US and other nations sell back their stakes and things can go back to normal like they did with the auto industry and financial industry recently.

 

[Attic]

Retribution only works from the people, not the government. IMO.

If nobody buys a VW for the next 12-18 months I think it will be a pretty significant message sent.

 

[LTC8K6]

The Passat uses DEF. So they apparently cheated with vehicles using DEF, too.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...-recall-what-you-need-to-know-in-10-questions

On the open road, a Volkswagen Jetta TDI blew through the U.S. nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions limit by 15 to 35 times. A VW Passat TDI (with urea aftertreatment) was 5 to 20 times the maximum.

A BMW X5 xDrive 35d diesel crossover equipped with urea aftertreatment and tested at the same time, however, met the emission limits under all circumstances.

 

[Charmonium]

If nobody buys a VW for the next 12-18 months I think it will be a pretty significant message sent.

We're all whores. All they have to do is offer a significant price incentive and people will still line up.

 

[RampantAndroid]

We call those guys 'D-bags'. There are settings on most tuners that control the amount of 'smoke' your vehicle makes, it's COMPLETELY for show. There is no performance gain whatsoever. In fact, the next time you see a new, stock, 1 ton diesel, take a look inside the tailpipe. You'll be surprised at how clean it is.

Sadly, those Dbags think they're soooo cool, "rolling coal" - I know one of them. He's a fine guy, but is obsessed with "stacks" on his truck and putting out black smoke.

The second any vehicle emits black smoke it should be removed from the road...

 

[JSt0rm]

I think this is a geopolitical strategy based retaliatory attack on Germany. They probably knew about this for years and used it to try to blackmail Germany but Germany called the bluff. VW should just pull out of this market. Let the americans drive their junk cars with cleaner emissions, exploding gas tanks, and fatal ignitions. We appear to be truly headed for an era of protectionism, tariffs and general reduced trade, which means the Depression will hit even harder.

You are fucking dumb. :hmm:

 

[Brian Stirling]

Sadly, those Dbags think they're soooo cool, "rolling coal" - I know one of them. He's a fine guy, but is obsessed with "stacks" on his truck and putting out black smoke.

The second any vehicle emits black smoke it should be removed from the road...

Yeah, I have never understood the small penis thing that drives so many with pickups to install huge ass stacks. Must be some kind of compensation thing going on...


Brian

 

[JSt0rm]

fucking liberals did this with their nazi epa

 

[Meghan54]

fucking liberals did this with their nazi epa

At least put the /sarcasm tag at the end...someone might think you're serious.