Vista64 Help

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Vista64 was playing real nice since I installed it a week ago. Now it seems to have its own mind.
Went to transfer a couple of pics to a permanent drive and got a notice that "This Drive Is Write Protected"
Hell, it wasn't Write Protected" yesterday.
Ran a virus scan: Nada...
If anyone has a clue as to how I can fix this, I would certainly appreciate the help.
Thanks,
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Muadib

Lifer
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Where did the drive come from? Did it have another OS on it when you installed Vista?
 
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Brand new drive which is separated physically from my C drive with Vista installed.
Was working perfectly for the past week.
 

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I know you say that you ran a virus scan, but that sounds like you may have a boot sector virus. Did you try changing the permissions on the broken drive? What happens?

What anti virus software do you use?
 
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Hi:
Under Programs/Security are:
Athenticated Users
System
Administrators
Users
Users is the only protocol that does nt have write priviliges checked.
If I try to edit it to enable 'Write"and hit apply:
"an error occured while applying security information to: H:\Photos\Family Pic 1.
If I hit OK it then moves to the next folder. If I hit cancel the mssg is Stopping the propagation of permission settings leads to an inconsistant state,etc...
I'm not looking to set write permission on an individual file. I need it for the whole drive.
As far as security: This machine has only been in operation for two weeks and I have only visited trusted sites. Also behind a D-Link router, and using Eset NOD32 antivirus.
The drive is my number 2 drive and is partioned in three sections. The other sections as well as the other drive works fine.:disgust:
Thanks for checking in.
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Muadib

Lifer
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Did you try setting the permissions on the photo folder itself? Can you move your pics to another folder on the C drive?

 
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Fixed: Had to temporarly disable UAC, Then set the protocals in the Security tab.
Thanks for hangin'with me Muadib.:thumbsup:
 

Muadib

Lifer
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I'm glad you got it working, but I'm not sure that it's fixed. What version of Vista x64 are you using, and what are the properties of the account that you were doing this with?

I ask because if it's the first created account like I suspect, then it should be a member of the Administrators group. I've never had to turn off UAC to set permissions to a created folder on any of my drives, but I currently only have one account on this pc.

Were your pics or photo directory created by another account other than the one you were using?

Did you try making another directory on the bad drive, and then check to see if you can move files into it since you fixed it?
 
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"What version of Vista x64 "
Spec 1
"what are the properties of the account that you were doing this with? "
Not sure how to answer this.?

"I ask because if it's the first created account like I suspect"
Its one of the first files that I created in order to transfer pics on cd, which were backed up from my old pc.
"Were your pics or photo directory created by another account other than the one you were using"
I'm the only user on this pc.
"Did you try making another directory on the bad drive, and then check to see if you can move files into it since you fixed it? "
Yes, no problem.
By way of explanation:
When I set up this computer I installed two physical drives. Each drive is partitioned into three sections, which essentially gives me six drives, Vista named these drives C: E: F:, for drive #1 and D: G: H:, for drive #2. The Vista os is installed on C: The folders I was working on is installed on H:. I believe that Vista has its own naming protocol because it would not allow me to rename the drives.
Everything was working fine untill three days ago when I was unable to access the drive.
When I right clicked on "Computer" then on "Properties/Security" I find four accounts: Authenticated users, System, Administrators, and Users (with my name).
The last (Users) was the only account that did not have a check in the box that permits "Write". I reasoned that this was the problem, but couldn't find a way to check this box without getting an error message. (Write protected) Finally I hit on disableing UAC, changed the box to allow Write and now it works.
I too am troubled that I was unable to do this any other way and that it happened in the first place.
However: My left hand was seriously damaged in a recent accident and I cannot dismiss the possibility that I may have hit a wrong key at some point. Also can't dismiss the fact that I'm a relative noooob.:eek:
Thanks for your interest Maudib.
In your honor I have sent my daughter the Dune dvd (TV version) for her birthday.:D
Cheers!

 

Muadib

Lifer
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By properties of the account, I should have asked what group is it a member of? You answered it when you said it was in the Users group. That's what I was looking for. If that is the only account on your pc, then I think that is why you had issues.

Normally Vista makes the first account part of the Administrators group. I've found that if you change that group without having another Admin account other than the main Admin account, (which should be disabled, unless you've activated it), that permissions can sometimes get screwy. Did you change it after the install?

The Users group usually doesn't have write permissions, as you don't want users to be able to change files, unless it's files they create. I'm pretty sure it's the same with all versions of Vista, but I've never used Home, so I'm not sure.

One other question I have is why so many partitions?

Sorry to hear about your hand. A former co-worker of mine messed his up 2 years ago, trying to clean his snow blower. Hopefully yours is not as serious, as he was unable to work for almost a year.


I :laugh: at the present for your daughter. I've never met a female who has enjoyed either the film or the TV version. If she does like it, she's a rare flower.


 
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"If that is the only account on your pc, then I think that is why you had issues."
There are four (4) accounts listed in the Security tab for that drive:
Authenticated Users (highlighted)
System
Administrator (my name)
Users (my name)
The last in that group (Users) was the only account that did not have "Write" priviledges checked. I suspect that was the reason that I was unable to write to that drive (H) and why I was getting the message: this drive is "Write Protected". Though I can't be sure.
I do think that I should be operating under the "Authenticated Users" flag since that is the one that is highlighted. All the folders in drive H: are read only.
Ideally there should be one drive that only I have access but I don't know how to accomplish that.
The reason for so many drives is for maintainance, defrag, etc. I'm still a Win98 holdover.:D
The Vista version that I'm using is Home Premium, 64 bit OEM. The pc is my own build.
"Sorry to hear about your hand"
Many thanks. Table saw accident. I'm pretty much recovered, but I'll not be playing any shooters in the same way. More of a flight sim fan, in any case.
"If she does like it, she's a rare flower."
She is indeed. She's a sci-fi and film fan (like her dad) and my best friend. Though she leans more toward the fantasy aspect than I. Don't see her as much as I like but we burn up the wires on Sunday.
Appreciate your advice. Thanks.
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Muadib

Lifer
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I'm using the 32 bit version of Home Premium on my laptop, and the drive permissions
agree with my Desktop, which uses the 64 bit version of Vista Ultimate. Unless you changed it, yours should be the same.

As you stated, on the Security tab under drive properties, you have four names listed under Group or user names:

Authenticated Users
SYSTEM
Administrators
Users

All 4 are Group names. Next to Administrators & Users, you should see a path . It should look like: (name of your pc\Administrators) and (name of your pc\Users)

These are the basic groups that come with Vista, with permissions already setup for you. There really should be no reason for you to change these permissions. As you say you are the only user of the pc, the defaults should have worked. You gave the Users group Write permissions to the H: drive, and that is something you shouldn't of had to do.

If you click on the 4 Groups listed for the drive, you should see that Authenticated Users has everything checked except for Full control. SYSTEM & Administrators have everything checked. Users should only have 3 things checked. Those 3 things are all a user needs to run a program, and create their own files.

You may have notice that Special permissions isn't checked for any of the groups. Leave it that way, as using it can create more problems than it solves.

Sadly, Vista Home Premium doesn't give you control over the Groups & User accounts like the non Home versions of Vista do. You might be able to get around the limitation using the command line, but it's not easy, so I won't go into it. If you are curious though, do a search in help for "Net user", "Net localgroup" and "Net group"

Lets take a look at the User accounts. Hit the start orb, click on Control Panel. Click on Classic View, then look for User Accounts. Double click on it, and you should see Make changes to your user account. Under it, you should see Manage another account. Click on it, and say yes to the UAC.

You should see 2 accounts, yours & Guest. You should see that your account is an Administrator account, and it may or may not be password protected. If you double click on it, you will see options for the password, to change your picture, the account name, or to change the account type. Click on manage another account, and double click the Guest account.

If you read what it says, you will see that the guest account has very limited access. I use this account when I have company over, and someone wants to use my pc. This way I know that they can't mess up anything on my computer. Hit the Cancel button, and go back to the Manage Accounts window, then click Create a new account.

As Home is limited, you only have 2 choices, Standard user, and Administrator. You never will want another Administrator account on your pc, so you will always chose Standard user. Give it a name, and hit create account. You should now see the account in the Manage Accounts window.

You should give it, a password. If you haven't already, you should do the same for your account too. It's worth doing to me, just to keep people out of your business. You might want to consider using the new Standard user account everyday, and only use the Administrator account when you have to. It might be a pain at first, but if you ever do get malware or a virus you will thank me.

Using a Standard account will stop both malware and any virus from doing any major harm to your system. They won't be able to, because they won't have permission. However, with your current Administrator account, if it gets infected, they have full control to do what they will.

Getting back to your H: drive, when you gave the Users group write permissions, you gave pretty much anyone using your pc the ability to write to that drive. Yes, that will & did fix your problem, but there is a better way to do it.

Under the Security tab for the drive, hit the Edit button, and hit continue to the UAC.

In the Permissions for H:, hit the Add button. In the box for Enter the object names to select, type the name for your account, then hit the Check Names button. Doing that should fill in the path for your account. Hit ok, and you should now see your account listed in the Group or user names list. Since it is an administrator account, give it full control. Now remove the write permissions for the Users Group. Then hit Apply, then OK.

Now test it. It should work, and this way you keep access to the drive restricted.

Ideally there should be one drive that only I have access but I don't know how to accomplish that.
You would change the permissions to do it. Since you now have that new account, I'll use it to explain how to remove access to the H: for it. Going back to the security tab for H:, you should now have the 4 original Groups, and your Administrator account listed. Highlight the Users group, and hit the Edit button, and hit continue to the UAC. When the Permissions for H: window opens, select the Users group, then click on Deny Read & execute. You will notice that the other two selections have also moved to Deny. Hit Apply, then OK. You will have to log out of your Administrator account, then log into the Standard account to test it.

The reason for so many drives is for maintainance, defrag, etc. I'm still a Win98 holdover.
Ahh, that's what I thought. With NTFS, there really is no reason to do this anymore. This article explains it pretty well. The only reason I would partition now would be to run multiple operating systems.














 
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Greetings Maudib, and thank you for your efforts on my behalf. I was successful in setting up the additional account and it seems to work well. I ran into difficulties with the second part of your instructions:
"I'll use it to explain how to remove access to the H: for it."

I went into Properties\Security, highlighted the Users Group, and hit the Edit button.
"and hit continue to the UAC."
There was no "continue to the UAC" to hit.
In the Permissions tab were the same accounts as in the Security tab. If I try to change the box in "Users" to deny "Read" permission a message box pops up advising me that Deny takes presidence over etc.etc. are you sure you want to continue. If I check yes,
I get an error box with the title of one of the folders & "The media is write protected, etc."
Continuing to click on that message brings the same advice with the next folder indicated.
This is pretty much the same scenario as described in my 1/30, 11:49 post.
Hope you can sort this out ??
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Muadib

Lifer
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I went into Properties\Security, highlighted the Users Group, and hit the Edit button. "and hit continue to the UAC." There was no "continue to the UAC" to hit.

What I meant by this, was when you hit the Edit button, you should have gotten the box that tells you Windows needs your permission to continue. That's the UAC, or User Account Control. You should of had to hit the Continue button to get to the Permissions for H:. Are you saying you didn't get the UAC, or was my meaning not clear?

In the Permissions tab were the same accounts as in the Security tab. If I try to change the box in "Users" to deny "Read" permission a message box pops up advising me that Deny takes presidence over etc.etc. are you sure you want to continue. If I check yes, I get an error box with the title of one of the folders & "The media is write protected, etc."

Which account were you logged in as when you did this? If it was the new account, then that is what you should have gotten, as that account doesn't have permission to make such a change. However, if it was with the Administrator account, then that would be a problem.

I need to know before I can go on. I should have also asked you if you had anything important on the H: drive. If you do, you should make sure you have a backup of it.

Just in case.:p
 
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To answer your questions in reverse:
I was logged on to the computer in the new Administrator account that we set up.
Your instructions were followed explicitly and exactly as worded.
Are you saying that I should have been logged in under the new User that we set up in order to effect this change?
You said
"The Users group usually doesn't have write permission"
Further:
"Are you saying you didn't get the UAC, or was my meaning not clear? "
Never got a tab or box identifying it as the UAC.
I did get a Permissions tab as explained above.
My experimenting this AM reveals that even though I check only the Read box on the Users tab, seems to affect access by either account that I log in as. In short I am locked out of this drive in either account. The only way I was able to gain access was by turning off the UAC make the changes, restart and turn on the UAC again.
Yes I have the drive backed up on about 14 CD's.
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Muadib

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But I had you make a standard account, not another Administrator account. Take a look at the Manage Accounts window,
and see what type you made the new account.
 
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When I did this I believe that an adminitrators account was set up.

"In the Permissions for H:, hit the Add button. In the box for Enter the object names to select, type the name for your account, then hit the Check Names button. Doing that should fill in the path for your account. Hit ok, and you should now see your account listed in the Group or user names list. Since it is an administrator account, give it full control. Now remove the write permissions for the Users Group. Then hit Apply, then OK. "

When I did this I believe that an administrators account was set up.

Where precisely is the "Manage Accounts" window?

I found a "Manage Another Account" window.
Under that heading there are three folders:
1. My Name
Administrator
Password Protected
2. Another Name
Standard User
Password Protected
3. Guest
Guest account is off


 

Muadib

Lifer
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I was posting from work when I last posted, and was trying to recall what the window was called from memory. I was off, but you found it.

Under that heading there are three folders: 1. My Name Administrator Password Protected 2. Another Name Standard User Password Protected 3. Guest Guest account is off

Number 2 is the new account, and it is a Standard account. If you tried to change the permissions of the H: drive while you were logged in with it, it won't work.

Try it again logged in with the account with your name. That is your Administrator account, so it should work. If it doesn't, let me know, and we will take the next step.
 
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"Try it again logged in with the account with your name"

Sorry... Same result. Apparently If I change something in the Security section it affects all the users. The only way I found to effect a correction to my actions is to take off the UAC. Make the correction and then turn on the UAC agaib.
 

Muadib

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When you check the security tab for the H: drive, is the account with you name still listed?
If it is, does it still show that it has full control? If it does have full control,
reboot, and log in again and see if the problem is still there.

You should not have to turn off UAC to make these changes. Is it the same if you try another drive?


 
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When you check the security tab for the H: drive, is the account with you name still listed?
Yes, still there.
If it is, does it still show that it has full control? If it does have full control,
Shows full control.
Still edits out write capabilities for all users even if I just try to lock out one.
Then the only way to revert back is to take out UAC.
Is it the same if you try another drive?
Tried another drive and got an error message. Couldn't lock anyone out.
Interesting. Wonder if this shouldn't be done in the Security\Advanced section rather than Security\Edit ?
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Muadib

Lifer
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Since my last post, I have found out why our UAC controls are different. Dell changed quite a few things on my laptop, from the default Home Premium install. I learned this after messing with a friend's pc that also has Home Premium. You will have to give me until the weekend before I can correct Dell's changes.

Tried another drive and got an error message. Couldn't lock anyone out. Interesting. Wonder if this shouldn't be done in the Security\Advanced section rather than Security\Edit ?

What error did you get?

As far as your second question goes, you might be on to something, as I notice that the tabs are a bit different from my desktop. Let me find out what the differences are, and I'll post back.
 
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All I remember is a box weith ERROR printed on it.
I can no longer get into my flight sim drive (G)as its WRITE protected. Even when the UAC is off. The only box in that drive thats checked *WRITE, is the USERS tab.
Beginning to get the feeling that I'm going to have to reformat.:disgust:

Adendum:
The second try I was able to enable WRITE protection for USERS on G drive.
Wonder now if I have to do that to USERS for all drives?
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Muadib

Lifer
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Did you check to see if you have access to the E: and F: drives? I ask because I'm curious if your problem is just with your second drive, or is it with both physical drives?

Did you format your second drive with Vista? Are both drives setup as basic drives?