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Vista x86 on 2005 Pentium 4 2.2 Dell laptop

fritzfield

Senior member
Good morning ATers.

When Vista came out, I decided to upgrade my Dell 1000 Inspiron laptop. I added 1GB of RAM to give a total of 1.25GB. I swapped out the 40GB HD for a 160GB HD and I changed the 2.2 Celeron CPU to a 2.2 P4 CPU. The MB has only Integrated Graphics. I was able to upgrade to Vista OK, but the machine became unusable. Couldn't even surf the web at acceptable levels. Had to go back to XP (now with SP3).

With SP1 now available, does anyone know/think, if this machine will run better? I hate to waste my time if it won't improve performance over the original release. But I also hate looking at that unused Vista DVD on the shelf. I guess I could ebay it, but I pretty much destroyed the box trying to get the f#%@in' thing opened.
 
Dont waste your time. Ive got a much more capable computer than the one you describe that came with VISTA installed. I gave VISTA a fair shake for two months & just couldnt continue to live with it. (VISTA basically makes a new notebook operate like an old one & an old one with VISTA doesnt operate well at all.) It's not just the lesser performance, but it is also the bugs & poor implementations which are turn-offs.) If you dont believe me, then type "I Hate VISTA" into Google & read about the experience of huge numbers VISTA users (ranging from new notebook purchasers to corporate IT pros with 20+ years experience) & learn what they are saying. VISTA works well for some users, but the fact that so many people are having issues & are dissatisfied with it tells you that it is a too flawed operating system. Ive worked with software development, developers & testing for many many years & there is no excuse for execution times being what they are for many of the routines on going in VISTA (not to even mention the code block sizes). There is no reason to have to have the levels of resources that people on this forum claim are needed (eg, 4GB+ RAM, etc.) to do the standard things that are done by an OS. The issue I have found over & over again, is that when the software code is not done well then it almost doesnt matter what the hardware is. You end up with a poor system.
 
Thanks for the feedback on SP1. I have to say that I really do like Vista on my Northwood 2.8 w/ 2GB RAM and old AGP card. That experience was why I bought another copy and tried to upgrade my laptop, thinking that the performance hit might not be noticeable, but man was I mistaken. So, SP1 won't happen on the laptop.
 
Perhaps a bit more of a balanced view is needed, especially if you bought a laptop from a manufacturer with all the pre-installed software.

Sadly It's easy for people to criticize something when it's not their own work, but it's much harder to offer acknowledgment. You yourself have had a good experience with your previous Vista install and yet now have a bad one. Do not let the one sided opinion some people offer cloud your judgement and come to you own conclusions. 🙂


Originally posted by: C1
Dont waste your time. Ive got a much more capable computer than the one you describe that came with VISTA installed. I gave VISTA a fair shake for two months & just couldnt continue to live with it. (VISTA basically makes a new notebook operate like an old one & an old one with VISTA doesnt operate well at all.) It's not just the lesser performance, but it is also the bugs & poor implementations which are turn-offs.) If you dont believe me, then type "I Hate VISTA" into Google & read about the experience of huge numbers VISTA users (ranging from new notebook purchasers to corporate IT pros with 20+ years experience) & learn what they are saying. VISTA works well for some users, but the fact that so many people are having issues & are dissatisfied with it tells you that it is a too flawed operating system. Ive worked with software development, developers & testing for many many years & there is no excuse for execution times being what they are for many of the routines on going in VISTA (not to even mention the code block sizes). There is no reason to have to have the levels of resources that people on this forum claim are needed (eg, 4GB+ RAM, etc.) to do the standard things that are done by an OS. The issue I have found over & over again, is that when the software code is not done well then it almost doesnt matter what the hardware is. You end up with a poor system.

Working in software development I'm actually interested to find out examples of what portions of code you think is too big, and what routines take too long. Even with a suite of tools and debug symbols there is only so much visibility you have in what a routine may actually do without seeing source code. Vista did borrow a good portion of the XP/2003 server code base and added new features into that trunk so surely you must have a similar complaint with them ?

Whilst not everyone's experience of Vista is good, or bad there are plenty of content users out there. Think about it, users are more likely to post "hey Vista is crap, crashes etc" than "Vista is omg sooooooo good" on the internet because they are looking to find solutions to their problems and as mentioned above it was unfortunate that drivers by other companies have plagued allot of Vista's bad experience.

Do you need 4GB for Vista? No chance, personally I would say 1 minimum but 2 would be the sweet spot with anything better being ok. Personally Vista flies on my system and the only real gripe I have is that the feature set is slightly disappointing compared to what was planned in the beginning. Would I go back to XP? No, and there is no reason for me to either.

Many of the things that get touted have been said before and will be said again, bloated, slow etc. 98 - 2000, 2000 to XP. XP was awful before SP1 with drivers yet Vista had a better initial set of drivers overall. However the most common (NVidia and Creative) have caused a majority of problems and they still haven't got it right on all systems, with Creative would actually rather you spent more money buying a new card than support an older one.

I think if people had a stable set of drivers which seems to be the big driving factor of whether they like or hate Vista, once they let Vista do the initial indexing, and left SuperFetch populate after logging in they'd find the experience a little better. Unfortunately allot of recommendations tell to turn indexing off and say memory should be left free. If people want to page stuff in from disk that's fine, less they forget the slowest part of the system.
 
Thank U for your imput.

If I may make a presumptuous aside: the use of the word "whilst" is frowned upon, even by the Times of London usage guide. When I see it used, the hairs on the back of my neck stand-up! It is just archaic and not acceptable in modern standard English. Yes, "in hospital" instead of "in THE hospital", "on holiday" instead of "on vacation" and the likes of "honour, colour" instead of "honor/color", or "tyre" instead of "tire" and "gaol" instead of "jail" or "Zed" instead of "Z" are acceptable as being variations between UK-Canada-Australia English and USA standard English. But the King as in the "King's English" has been dead for > 55 years. Why so many of you "across the sea" continue to employ/use "whilst, amidst, amongst, couldst, shant" is beyond me.

"While" (please see Wikipedia entry on "whilst") IS the only correct standard English (USA OR UK) word in AD/CE2008.
 
Just curious . . . did you run MS's Vista Upgrade Advisor before making the change? I have a lappy about the same vintage, and the Advisor said "No." Reason? The on board graphics were not adequate to run Vista efficiently.
 
Originally posted by: corkyg
Just curious . . . did you run MS's Vista Upgrade Advisor before making the change? I have a lappy about the same vintage, and the Advisor said "No." Reason? The on board graphics were not adequate to run Vista efficiently.

AAMOF I did. I just didn't want to accept the verdict. MY BAD!!! I just could not accept that technology between JAN 2005 to MAR 2007 would be SO astronomically different/changed/advanced that I wouldn't be able to run the new OS on the what is considered now as "legacy" hardware. i.e. IGP.
 
Originally posted by: fritzfield
Thank U for your imput.

If I may make a presumptuous aside: the use of the word "whilst" is frowned upon, even by the Times of London usage guide. When I see it used, the hairs on the back of my neck stand-up! It is just archaic and not acceptable in modern standard English. Yes, "in hospital" instead of "in THE hospital", "on holiday" instead of "on vacation" and the likes of "honour, colour" instead of "honor/color", or "tyre" instead of "tire" and "gaol" instead of "jail" or "Zed" instead of "Z" are acceptable as being variations between UK-Canada-Australia English and USA standard English. But the King as in the "King's English" has been dead for > 55 years. Why so many of you "across the sea" continue to employ/use "whilst, couldst, shant" is beyond me.

"While" (please see Wikipedia entry on "whilst") IS the only correct standard English (USA OR UK) word in AD/CE2008.

Ooops! Bad localism habit, olde English habits die hard I guess, but as you well know there are many words in all versions of English that are used despite not being correct. 🙂

I will give one bit of advice though. It's not worth your time being a grammar nazi on these forums because of the many inaccuracies within posts, that and the heat you'll recieve back from members.

Wiki, although informative is not always accurate due to public submissions and editing hence I always take articles with a slight pinch of salt. I will take note of the references made within though. 🙂



 
Originally posted by: Snapster
Originally posted by: fritzfield
Thank U for your imput.

If I may make a presumptuous aside: the use of the word "whilst" is frowned upon, even by the Times of London usage guide. When I see it used, the hairs on the back of my neck stand-up! It is just archaic and not acceptable in modern standard English. Yes, "in hospital" instead of "in THE hospital", "on holiday" instead of "on vacation" and the likes of "honour, colour" instead of "honor/color", or "tyre" instead of "tire" and "gaol" instead of "jail" or "Zed" instead of "Z" are acceptable as being variations between UK-Canada-Australia English and USA standard English. But the King as in the "King's English" has been dead for > 55 years. Why so many of you "across the sea" continue to employ/use "whilst, couldst, shant" is beyond me.

"While" (please see Wikipedia entry on "whilst") IS the only correct standard English (USA OR UK) word in AD/CE2008.

Ooops! Bad localism habit, olde English habits die hard I guess, but as you well know there are many words in all versions of English that are used despite not being correct. 🙂

I will give one bit of advice though. It's not worth your time being a grammar nazi on these forums because of the many inaccuracies within posts, that and the heat you'll receive back from members.

Wiki, although informative is not always accurate due to public submissions and editing hence I always take articles with a slight pinch of salt. I will take note of the references made within though. 🙂

LOL. ZIEG!!

I understand. I respect everyone's use of English and put it into perspective. However, "whilst" is NOT within normal limits of standard/normal/taught/second language English usage by"NATIVE" "sprechers". The Times will back me up. I just hope that I don't end up in gaol for causing an accident due to badly inflated tyres, and then end up in hospital ruining my chances for holiday. Excuse me whilst I take a couple of Zeds, as it is quite late.
 
Originally posted by: fritzfield

LOL. ZIEG!!

I understand. I respect everyone's use of English and put it into perspective. However, "whilst" is NOT within normal limits of standard/normal/taught/second language English usage by native "sprechers". The Times will back me up. I just hope that I don't end up in gaol for causing an accident due to badly inflated tyres, and then end up in hospital ruining my chances for holiday. Excuse me whilst I take a couple of Zeds, as it is quite late.

Correct, it is not taught within the education system. It is however slang or localism which is still used infrequently, particuarly in the south east England, and as long as it's still spoken it does exist in some form I guess. 🙂

As for gaol, I actually had to look that word up as I'd never heard of it before lol. I'm sure if you got sent there you'd be let off as the custody officers might not know either! 🙂
 
Hmmm, and this coming from the country that gave us 'Fo shizzle ma nizzle'

Whilst our language may be a bit 'strange' and annoying, I suggest you sort your own out first! 😀
 
Oops. My prob is that, basicly, it is the SAME language, and that the word "whilst" is PROSCRIBED. We (USA) were, AAMOF, believe it or not, English CITIZENS (AD/CE<1775, not that Georgius III Rex or Parliament gave a rat's ass) and English was de facto our NATIVE language. The word "whilst" IS archaic. Look it up! So... there!!!
 
Originally posted by: fritzfield
Oops. My prob is that, basicly, it is the SAME language, and that the word "whilst" is PROSCRIBED. We (USA) were, AAMOF, believe it or not, English CITIZENS (AD/CE<1775) and English was de facto our NATIVE language. The word "whilst" IS archaic. Look it up! So... there!!!

Yeah, whateveeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr!
 
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