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Vista Ultimate woes

JohnAn2112

JohnAn2112

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Hey all. I just set up Windows Vista Ultimate over the weekend and everything was detected fine, except for my AGP card. I'm running an ATI X800 Pro on an MSI K8N Neo 2 Nforce 3 board and in the Device Manager, there's a code 43 error for the card and I cannot get the drivers to load properly. I'm dual booting Vista and XP Pro and the card works fine under XP. Any suggestions?
 
Bad drivers. Vista sucks with drivers.
Call ati? otherwise best of luck to you. This is half the reason why I wait till SP1 of any operating system (thats goes for you too linux and mac!)
 
Oh noes! I found this on ATI's website.

737-24498: Windows Vista: Code 43 Error in Device Manager in Systems with ATI AGP Cards and Nforce3 Chipset Motherboards



The information in this article applies to the following configuration(s):
Windows Vista 32 or 64 bit
Catalyst Display Driver 7.1 for Vista
Radeon® X1950 AGP series
Radeon® X1600 AGP series
Radeon® X1300 AGP series
Radeon® X850 series
Radeon® X800 series
Radeon® X700 series
Radeon® X600 series
Radeon® X550 series
Radeon® X300 series
Radeon® 9800 series
Radeon® 9700 series
Radeon® 9650/9600 series
Radeon® 9550/9500 series
Symptoms
Attempting to install the graphics driver on a system containing an NVidia NF3 chipset and an ATI AGP graphics adapter may result in the driver failing to install and the 3D engine not activating.

In Windows Vista 32bit or 64bit versions, the Device Manager will show a (!) mark and the AGP card will operate in PCI mode only. When the properties of the device are shown, the error code will show as code 43.

This issue has been seen with other AGP chipsets such as VIA and SiS but has since been resolved by chipset driver updates from these manufacturers.

AMD?s AGP adapters require correctly functioning AGP support from the operating system in order to run the WDDM driver under Vista. This WDDM driver has no way of working around the absence of AGP support.

Solution
Please contact NVidia Corp. (www.nvidia.com) for more information on this issue.
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Yep. They don't have any downloads for the NF3 chipset. Only for the audio and network controllers for the NF3 under Vista. Vista does seem to recognize my board as being an Nvidia board though. It looks like ATI and Nvidia are going to point the finger at each other and leave the consumer (me) out in the cold. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: JohnAn2112
AMD?s AGP adapters require correctly functioning AGP support from the operating system in order to run the WDDM driver under Vista. This WDDM driver has no way of working around the absence of AGP support.

Solution
Please contact NVidia Corp. (www.nvidia.com) for more information on this issue.
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LOL. Talk about "tongue in cheek".
 
Originally posted by: JohnAn2112
Yep. They don't have any downloads for the NF3 chipset. Only for the audio and network controllers for the NF3 under Vista. Vista does seem to recognize my board as being an Nvidia board though. It looks like ATI and Nvidia are going to point the finger at each other and leave the consumer (me) out in the cold. 🙁
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First off, this definately appears to be an nVidia issue so we can all point the finger at them. Second, is this an AMD dual core per chance?
 
nVidia Vista faq:

Q: What about Vista drivers for nForce 2 or nForce3-based motherboards?
A. Given the hardware requirements for Windows Vista, NVIDIA recommends that you upgrade your platform to PCI Express. If you do not have a certified Vista platform, such as nForce4, nForce5, or nForce 600 series MCP, you will not be able to take advantage of the NVIDIA-designed features that are integrated into the NVIDIA MCP drivers.

If you cannot afford to upgrade your platform or simply wish to try Vista with your current nForce2 or nForce3 platform, you can upgrade to Vista with the drivers that come with Vista. However, there are a few technical issues you should be aware of that may impact your overall Vista experience.

Audio - nForce2 and nForce3-based platforms utilized AC'97 audio codecs. You will need to check with the audio codec manufacturer to determine whether they have released a driver for Vista. NVIDIA bears no responsibility with regards to audio support. You may also want to check with audio add-in card vendors to see if they have comparable products with Vista drivers. All AC'97-based platforms are affected by the transition to Vista.

Storage - Unfortunately, NVIDIA RAID is not supported under Vista for nForce2 and nForce3-based platforms, but PATA and SATA storage will work using the integrated Microsoft Vista storage drivers. Please be aware that there are known Vista issues with some ATAPI devices. Microsoft RAID support is included in the box as well.

Networking - Networking support is included with Vista. Firewall support is built into Vista. NVIDIA Firewall, first introduced with nForce3, will not function under Vista and is not supported.

There is a known issue with ATI AGP cards with NVIDIA nForce3 and Vista. This is currently being looked into and will likely be resolved with an MCP driver update.
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: JohnAn2112
Yep. They don't have any downloads for the NF3 chipset. Only for the audio and network controllers for the NF3 under Vista. Vista does seem to recognize my board as being an Nvidia board though. It looks like ATI and Nvidia are going to point the finger at each other and leave the consumer (me) out in the cold. 🙁
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First off, this definately appears to be an nVidia issue so we can all point the finger at them. Second, is this an AMD dual core per chance?
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Bingo! Athlon 64 X2 3800+.
 
Bingo! Athlon 64 X2 3800+.
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Disabling a core (I know, not preferable) would at least give you graphics for now.

Doing some research there seem to be a fair number of upset usrs on the nVidia forums over this. It most certainly looks like a nVidia problem (sis and via fixed it on their systems via a chipset driver update, but nVidia has a weird combo north/south bridge and their driver set is unique because of it)

The latest upate from nVidia (5/28) is unfortunately not promising:

Discussion Thread
Response (MG) 05/28/2007 11:37 PM
Hello Tue,
First off, we apologize for the delay in responding to your case. Unfortunately, it does not seem as if our driver team will be able to resolve this issue through an updated AGP GART driver. Since this issue can not be fixed through an AGP GART driver update, other workarounds should be used. These include:

1) Revert back to Microsoft Windows XP. This issue is not present under Microsoft Windows XP.
2) Disable one of the cores of the AMD Athlon dual core processor.

We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused. If you have any further questions, please feel free to update this case.

Regards,
NVIDIA Customer Care
 
Originally posted by: thesoulhack
Bad drivers. Vista sucks with drivers.
Call ati? otherwise best of luck to you. This is half the reason why I wait till SP1 of any operating system (thats goes for you too linux and mac!)
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Btw, generally speaking most system are working fine with Vista. There are certainly outlying devices which are not. But in this case nVidia claimed Vista compatible on the board right up until about Vista's release...
 
How do I disable a core? Just right click on one of them in the Device Manager and click disable? Just wanna make sure that my XP partition isn't affected by this.
 
I had this exact same issue with x850pro, nforce3, and opteron 165. VistaBootPro will allow you to disable one core so your graphics card will function. You could try to find a higher-end single core Athlon 64 for socket 939, though I don't know how easy it will be. The only other option (if you still want to run Vista) is to sell what you can of your skt 939 setup and upgrade to a PCI-E and AM2/Core2. It's a sucky option, I know, cause you have to replace mobo, proc, ram, gpu, which might not be cost effective. Dual core just seems out of the questions us nforce3 people. 🙁 (eagerly awaiting intel price drop late july)
 
Bah this is so lame. I was hoping to squeeze another year out of my rig before upgrading. I mean, I don't play any high end games (just WoW) and my rig is certainly good enough for that and web surfing. I guess I can try to find a comparable Nvidia card since from what I've read, those don't seem to have a problem with NF3 chipsets on Vista. I don't think I want to spend more than a hundred bucks on a card though.
 
Originally posted by: JohnAn2112
How do I disable a core? Just right click on one of them in the Device Manager and click disable? Just wanna make sure that my XP partition isn't affected by this.
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No, you can do this from the bios or the boot loader. Obviously the bios route would effect your XP install. To modify the boot loader run bootcfg (from an elevated command prompt)

Bill
 
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