Vista security, good enough?

[madh83]

I recently switched to vista 32 bit, and the first thing I noticed is that sygate won't work anymore = (. I also used to use spybot with XP, Vista does have its own firewall and "defender" program, I'm wondering if those are good enough to cover firewall and spyware.

The UAC service seems to serve the purpose of the firewall prompts that used to show with sygate, but it keeps asking for hte same programs over and over. Is there a way to adjust that?

Would be using NAV like I used to.

Thanks

 

[bsobel]

Id recommend NAV 2009 or NIS 2009 along with http://www.nortonlabs.com/inthelab/uac.php to deal with UAC...

 

[Bradtechonline]

Last thing you want is for Norton to integrate itself further into UAC, and embed itself into your system.. I wouldn't however go running around the internet with no anti virus especially if you are using IE7 as your primary web browser since it is integrated into the OS now too. If you are going to spend money go with NOD32, Kaspersky, or Antiviri.. Even though Kaspersky is heavy on resources more than I like it is better than Norton IMO.. I had to sell people Norton or Mcafee when I worked in a shop, and would clean machines with Norton on them with NOD32.. I am in the process right now of migrating users off Symantec into NOD32, and I've had a lot of hits on clients that ran Symantec Corporate..

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline
Last thing you want is for Norton to integrate itself further into UAC, and embed itself into your system.. I wouldn't however go running around the internet with no anti virus especially if you are using IE7 as your primary web browser since it is integrated into the OS now too. If you are going to spend money go with NOD32, Kaspersky, or Antiviri.. Even though Kaspersky is heavy on resources more than I like it is better than Norton IMO.. I had to sell people Norton or Mcafee when I worked in a shop, and would clean machines with Norton on them with NOD32.. I am in the process right now of migrating users off Symantec into NOD32, and I've had a lot of hits on clients that ran Symantec Corporate..

So you havent tried the tool but your knocking it? As far as NAV/NIS2009 they are lighter and faster and less intrusive than NOD, Kaspersky, or Antiviri. You might want to try the current release, it will likely surprise you.

 

[Bradtechonline]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline
Last thing you want is for Norton to integrate itself further into UAC, and embed itself into your system.. I wouldn't however go running around the internet with no anti virus especially if you are using IE7 as your primary web browser since it is integrated into the OS now too. If you are going to spend money go with NOD32, Kaspersky, or Antiviri.. Even though Kaspersky is heavy on resources more than I like it is better than Norton IMO.. I had to sell people Norton or Mcafee when I worked in a shop, and would clean machines with Norton on them with NOD32.. I am in the process right now of migrating users off Symantec into NOD32, and I've had a lot of hits on clients that ran Symantec Corporate..

So you havent tried the tool but your knocking it? As far as NAV/NIS2009 they are lighter and faster and less intrusive than NOD, Kaspersky, or Antiviri. You might want to try the current release, it will likely surprise you.

No, I'm not bashing it.. Sorry I've not been impressed with Norton in a long time.. No I haven't installed their 2009 copy because of previous experience selling, and seeing the results of it before.. Why would I when I found a better solution years ago, and seen the end result of using Symantec Corporate edition right before my eyes in the real world. I applaud Norton for making more bulk by integrating into UAC to explain things for end users, and more than likely create the more likelihood to hose the Operating System or slow it down even further..

 

[bsobel]

bulk by integrating into UAC to explain things for end users, and more than likely create the more likelihood to hose the Operating System or slow it down even further..

You havent tried either the product or the norton labs tool and your claiming it slows the system down. That pretty much sums up your knowledge on the products doesnt it?

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline
Last thing you want is for Norton to integrate itself further into UAC, and embed itself into your system.. I wouldn't however go running around the internet with no anti virus especially if you are using IE7 as your primary web browser since it is integrated into the OS now too. If you are going to spend money go with NOD32, Kaspersky, or Antiviri.. Even though Kaspersky is heavy on resources more than I like it is better than Norton IMO.. I had to sell people Norton or Mcafee when I worked in a shop, and would clean machines with Norton on them with NOD32.. I am in the process right now of migrating users off Symantec into NOD32, and I've had a lot of hits on clients that ran Symantec Corporate..

So you havent tried the tool but your knocking it? As far as NAV/NIS2009 they are lighter and faster and less intrusive than NOD, Kaspersky, or Antiviri. You might want to try the current release, it will likely surprise you.

No, I'm not bashing it.. Sorry I've not been impressed with Norton in a long time.. No I haven't installed their 2009 copy because of previous experience selling, and seeing the results of it before.. Why would I when I found a better solution years ago, and seen the end result of using Symantec Corporate edition right before my eyes in the real world. I applaud Norton for making more bulk by integrating into UAC to explain things for end users, and more than likely create the more likelihood to hose the Operating System or slow it down even further..

Why would I listen to someone who is relying on tech from years ago? Try Norton 2009 and you'll see it is better than the ones you listed that were once good. Norton is the better product.

 

[Bradtechonline]

Originally posted by: bsobel

bulk by integrating into UAC to explain things for end users, and more than likely create the more likelihood to hose the Operating System or slow it down even further..

You havent tried either the product or the norton labs tool and your claiming it slows the system down. That pretty much sums up your knowledge on the products doesnt it?

You said products.. I'm very knowledgeable with Symantec products I sold them for years, and am removing them from all the clients where I work.. If there is one thing that can be certain about Symantec is that ESET makes a better uninstaller for Symantec than Symantec does.. Then again it's not like a salesman on a security forum for Symantec would have any bias right? I only dislike Symantec because of the shitty anti virus you guys sell..

 

[Bradtechonline]

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline
Last thing you want is for Norton to integrate itself further into UAC, and embed itself into your system.. I wouldn't however go running around the internet with no anti virus especially if you are using IE7 as your primary web browser since it is integrated into the OS now too. If you are going to spend money go with NOD32, Kaspersky, or Antiviri.. Even though Kaspersky is heavy on resources more than I like it is better than Norton IMO.. I had to sell people Norton or Mcafee when I worked in a shop, and would clean machines with Norton on them with NOD32.. I am in the process right now of migrating users off Symantec into NOD32, and I've had a lot of hits on clients that ran Symantec Corporate..

So you havent tried the tool but your knocking it? As far as NAV/NIS2009 they are lighter and faster and less intrusive than NOD, Kaspersky, or Antiviri. You might want to try the current release, it will likely surprise you.

No, I'm not bashing it.. Sorry I've not been impressed with Norton in a long time.. No I haven't installed their 2009 copy because of previous experience selling, and seeing the results of it before.. Why would I when I found a better solution years ago, and seen the end result of using Symantec Corporate edition right before my eyes in the real world. I applaud Norton for making more bulk by integrating into UAC to explain things for end users, and more than likely create the more likelihood to hose the Operating System or slow it down even further..

Why would I listen to someone who is relying on tech from years ago? Try Norton 2009 and you'll see it is better than the ones you listed that were once good. Norton is the better product.

Latest up to date signatures on Symantec Corporate Edition, and I scan the same volumes with ESET NOD32, and it finds worms... Why would I want to go back seriously? I will try it after this but if you have been through any of the headaches, and dissapointments that I have with Symantec corporate or any of the Norton flavors you wouldn't think highly either..

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: madh83
I recently switched to vista 32 bit, and the first thing I noticed is that sygate won't work anymore = (. I also used to use spybot with XP, Vista does have its own firewall and "defender" program, I'm wondering if those are good enough to cover firewall and spyware.

Last I checked, Spybot Search & Destroy was Vista-compatible, so that should still work if you want to use it. It doesn't provide real-time protection, unlike Windows Defender, but I've found that Windows Defender has poor detection rates. Personally, I rely on neither Spybot nor Defender, I use this approach instead (including an antivirus, but not expecting it to singlehandedly secure the system).

There's Norton trialware here if you want to try before you buy: http://shop.symantecstore.com/...pbPage.Trialware_en_US

 

[bsobel]

Symantec does.. Then again it's not like a salesman on a security forum for Symantec would have any bias right? I only dislike Symantec because of the shitty anti virus you guys sell..

Im a salesman? Interesting, I didnt know that. And as for the product quality, try the 2009 trial, we beat everything you listed hands down.

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline
Last thing you want is for Norton to integrate itself further into UAC, and embed itself into your system.. I wouldn't however go running around the internet with no anti virus especially if you are using IE7 as your primary web browser since it is integrated into the OS now too. If you are going to spend money go with NOD32, Kaspersky, or Antiviri.. Even though Kaspersky is heavy on resources more than I like it is better than Norton IMO.. I had to sell people Norton or Mcafee when I worked in a shop, and would clean machines with Norton on them with NOD32.. I am in the process right now of migrating users off Symantec into NOD32, and I've had a lot of hits on clients that ran Symantec Corporate..

So you havent tried the tool but your knocking it? As far as NAV/NIS2009 they are lighter and faster and less intrusive than NOD, Kaspersky, or Antiviri. You might want to try the current release, it will likely surprise you.

No, I'm not bashing it.. Sorry I've not been impressed with Norton in a long time.. No I haven't installed their 2009 copy because of previous experience selling, and seeing the results of it before.. Why would I when I found a better solution years ago, and seen the end result of using Symantec Corporate edition right before my eyes in the real world. I applaud Norton for making more bulk by integrating into UAC to explain things for end users, and more than likely create the more likelihood to hose the Operating System or slow it down even further..

Why would I listen to someone who is relying on tech from years ago? Try Norton 2009 and you'll see it is better than the ones you listed that were once good. Norton is the better product.

Latest up to date signatures on Symantec Corporate Edition, and I scan the same volumes with ESET NOD32, and it finds worms... Why would I want to go back seriously? I will try it after this but if you have been through any of the headaches, and dissapointments that I have with Symantec corporate or any of the Norton flavors you wouldn't think highly either..

No one but you have mentioned using SAV, we all said NAV or NIS is a better choice than yours.

 

[bsobel]

Latest up to date signatures on Symantec Corporate Edition, and I scan the same volumes with ESET NOD32, and it finds worms... Why would I want to go back seriously? I will try it after this but if you have been through any of the headaches, and dissapointments that I have with Symantec corporate or any of the Norton flavors you wouldn't think highly either..

The consumer products are now amazing. I'll admit that the enterprise products tend to lag the consumer, that is something I plan on addressing. I (within the last few weeks) moved over to the enterprise team as the chief architect. So, say late next summer or so, if you still feel this way you'll know who to beat up directly

 

[UsandThem]

Norton Sucks.

That is all.

Seriously, every company has strengths and weaknesses. Everybody seems to think that their personal selection is the best and takes any argument as a personal attack against themselves.

I personally, used to love Norton. I used them up until around 2000, but soon was disappointed with what they were offering.

I then tried and used many of the other competing products. Some I really liked at the time, such as Trend Micro and Kaspersky, and some were not very good such as McAfee and BitDefender.

In the last several years, I discovered, that very few companies tend to have a superior product every revision. Without a doubt, some are better than others.

Some products have a high detection rate, but are bloated or buggy. Some have just a decent detection rate, but are well written and do not crash your system.

Sometimes, you just have to read user reviews, detection rates from review sites, and simply download and try the product before you buy it.

With, that said, I recently read about how Symantec had really turned around their product over the last couple of years. When my Kaspersky license expired, I downloaded and tried Norton Internet Security 2009 on my laptop and was really pleased on the speed and design of the program. It used much less resources than Kaspersky 2009 Reviews show it to be on par with Kaspersky's detection level, so I am pleased with it.

My only complaint about Symantec at this point: I wish they would offer a 30 day trial (like most of their competitors do), instead of 15 days.

That said, just try a product before bashing it and have an open mind.

 

[Bradtechonline]

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline
Last thing you want is for Norton to integrate itself further into UAC, and embed itself into your system.. I wouldn't however go running around the internet with no anti virus especially if you are using IE7 as your primary web browser since it is integrated into the OS now too. If you are going to spend money go with NOD32, Kaspersky, or Antiviri.. Even though Kaspersky is heavy on resources more than I like it is better than Norton IMO.. I had to sell people Norton or Mcafee when I worked in a shop, and would clean machines with Norton on them with NOD32.. I am in the process right now of migrating users off Symantec into NOD32, and I've had a lot of hits on clients that ran Symantec Corporate..

So you havent tried the tool but your knocking it? As far as NAV/NIS2009 they are lighter and faster and less intrusive than NOD, Kaspersky, or Antiviri. You might want to try the current release, it will likely surprise you.

No, I'm not bashing it.. Sorry I've not been impressed with Norton in a long time.. No I haven't installed their 2009 copy because of previous experience selling, and seeing the results of it before.. Why would I when I found a better solution years ago, and seen the end result of using Symantec Corporate edition right before my eyes in the real world. I applaud Norton for making more bulk by integrating into UAC to explain things for end users, and more than likely create the more likelihood to hose the Operating System or slow it down even further..

Why would I listen to someone who is relying on tech from years ago? Try Norton 2009 and you'll see it is better than the ones you listed that were once good. Norton is the better product.

Latest up to date signatures on Symantec Corporate Edition, and I scan the same volumes with ESET NOD32, and it finds worms... Why would I want to go back seriously? I will try it after this but if you have been through any of the headaches, and dissapointments that I have with Symantec corporate or any of the Norton flavors you wouldn't think highly either..

No one but you have mentioned using SAV, we all said NAV or NIS is a better choice than yours.

That is your opinion, and not everybody is saying it only you, and the guy that works at Symantec.. I have uninstalled NOD32, and put Norton 2009 on my machine at home, and will do the same on one of my Virtual machines.. You are dead fucking wrong.. I would like to show you how nice it is to set back, and have someone plug in a thumb drive infected with autorun.inf like just happened today, and it shoot to my Eset Remote Administrator Server, and then straight to my email account which is tied in with my BB telling me the IP Address, and Hostname of the machine almost real time..You know what like was like before? Sit back, and have Symantec miss it..

Will it be like this forever no.. I don't hate Symantec/Norton I used their products, sold their products, and will give Norton 2009 a shot.. Whatever is best for myself, or my work I will seek to get..

It's eating up about 9 K of memory which is a drastic improvement, and the bootup load times are better.. I remember putting Norton on a customers machine, and watching the startup time just die.. I left Norton because it just missed to much, and NOD32/Kaspersky just caught more stuff, and did what I needed.. I left Kaspersky behind because of the Foot print..

 

[Bradtechonline]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Latest up to date signatures on Symantec Corporate Edition, and I scan the same volumes with ESET NOD32, and it finds worms... Why would I want to go back seriously? I will try it after this but if you have been through any of the headaches, and dissapointments that I have with Symantec corporate or any of the Norton flavors you wouldn't think highly either..

The consumer products are now amazing. I'll admit that the enterprise products tend to lag the consumer, that is something I plan on addressing. I (within the last few weeks) moved over to the enterprise team as the chief architect. So, say late next summer or so, if you still feel this way you'll know who to beat up directly

Man I can tell you exactly what features I like using with NOD32, and what things I'd like to see.. I came into a Symantec Corporate Edition shop, and scanned the Novell shares, and found worms lying dormant in network shares etc.. That was the only case I really had to make plus the fact Remote Admin, and NOD32 was simple to setup..

I could push installs to machines running Version 3, and not have to reboot the machines.. They wouldn't even know until the "Green Eye" popped up.. I could package my own installs inside Remote Administrator.. Inititate scans from Remote Administrator Console..

I am obsessive when it comes to this kind of shit.. I take my job very seriously, and want things to work as close to perfect as I can make them.. I would happily test anything you like.. I know you guys probably want feed back from people who do not lick your assholes, and are fanboys.. I'd drop ESET in a heartbeat if I honestly saw something I thought was better, and gave me more options plus was cost feasible..

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline

Originally posted by: bsobel

Latest up to date signatures on Symantec Corporate Edition, and I scan the same volumes with ESET NOD32, and it finds worms... Why would I want to go back seriously? I will try it after this but if you have been through any of the headaches, and dissapointments that I have with Symantec corporate or any of the Norton flavors you wouldn't think highly either..

The consumer products are now amazing. I'll admit that the enterprise products tend to lag the consumer, that is something I plan on addressing. I (within the last few weeks) moved over to the enterprise team as the chief architect. So, say late next summer or so, if you still feel this way you'll know who to beat up directly

Man I can tell you exactly what features I like using with NOD32, and what things I'd like to see.. I came into a Symantec Corporate Edition shop, and scanned the Novell shares, and found worms lying dormant in network shares etc.. That was the only case I really had to make plus the fact Remote Admin, and NOD32 was simple to setup..

I could push installs to machines running Version 3, and not have to reboot the machines.. They wouldn't even know until the "Green Eye" popped up.. I could package my own installs inside Remote Administrator.. Inititate scans from Remote Administrator Console..

I am obsessive when it comes to this kind of shit.. I take my job very seriously, and want things to work as close to perfect as I can make them.. I would happily test anything you like.. I know you guys probably want feed back from people who do not lick your assholes, and are fanboys.. I'd drop ESET in a heartbeat if I honestly saw something I thought was better, and gave me more options plus was cost feasible..

No disrespect, but you are a NOD32 fanboy. Everything you say you do with NOD32 Remote Administrator console you can do with SAV, going back quite awhile. I know, I do administer 7 offices with it. I also have select users using KIS2009, Eset NOD32 v3, and NIS2009. The version of SAV we use sucks(10.1.something), but it's administrator console does everything you claim is so great with NOD32's console. KIS2009 has sucked, it is getting bloated and their detection rates are going down, NOD32's detection rates aren't as good as the new Norton products, and the Norton products are just as light on resources. Instead of relying on your sales experience from the past why don't you buy the products and try them in a real working enviroment. And try reading the other posts about a/v products, there are plenty of people praising Norton here, not just me and Bill.

 

[Bradtechonline]

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline

Originally posted by: bsobel

Latest up to date signatures on Symantec Corporate Edition, and I scan the same volumes with ESET NOD32, and it finds worms... Why would I want to go back seriously? I will try it after this but if you have been through any of the headaches, and dissapointments that I have with Symantec corporate or any of the Norton flavors you wouldn't think highly either..

The consumer products are now amazing. I'll admit that the enterprise products tend to lag the consumer, that is something I plan on addressing. I (within the last few weeks) moved over to the enterprise team as the chief architect. So, say late next summer or so, if you still feel this way you'll know who to beat up directly

Man I can tell you exactly what features I like using with NOD32, and what things I'd like to see.. I came into a Symantec Corporate Edition shop, and scanned the Novell shares, and found worms lying dormant in network shares etc.. That was the only case I really had to make plus the fact Remote Admin, and NOD32 was simple to setup..

I could push installs to machines running Version 3, and not have to reboot the machines.. They wouldn't even know until the "Green Eye" popped up.. I could package my own installs inside Remote Administrator.. Inititate scans from Remote Administrator Console..

I am obsessive when it comes to this kind of shit.. I take my job very seriously, and want things to work as close to perfect as I can make them.. I would happily test anything you like.. I know you guys probably want feed back from people who do not lick your assholes, and are fanboys.. I'd drop ESET in a heartbeat if I honestly saw something I thought was better, and gave me more options plus was cost feasible..

No disrespect, but you are a NOD32 fanboy. Everything you say you do with NOD32 Remote Administrator console you can do with SAV, going back quite awhile. I know, I do administer 7 offices with it. I also have select users using KIS2009, Eset NOD32 v3, and NIS2009. The version of SAV we use sucks(10.1.something), but it's administrator console does everything you claim is so great with NOD32's console. KIS2009 has sucked, it is getting bloated and their detection rates are going down, NOD32's detection rates aren't as good as the new Norton products, and the Norton products are just as light on resources. Instead of relying on your sales experience from the past why don't you buy the products and try them in a real working enviroment. And try reading the other posts about a/v products, there are plenty of people praising Norton here, not just me and Bill.

I already have Symantec/NOD32 hybrid environment right now.. The Symantec was implemented here in 2006, and is going out the door.. I run NOD32 on my Squid Proxy, Novell Netware environment, SuSE boxes, Debian Boxes, and BSD Servers..

 

[Bradtechonline]

lol @ trying to get me banned because I use profanity on a forum without a language filter, or any kind of warning about language usage.. What is this?? First Baptist Symantec Church.. Oh no someone said the F word my mind just exploded..

 

[Phynaz]

Grow up.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline
lol @ trying to get me banned because I use profanity on a forum without a language filter, or any kind of warning about language usage.. What is this?? First Baptist Symantec Church.. Oh no someone said the F word my mind just exploded..

What exactly are you refering to, who commented on your language and who is trying to ban you? And for the record, since you asked, profanity in the technical forums is not allowed. I suggest you read the forum rules.

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline
lol @ trying to get me banned because I use profanity on a forum without a language filter, or any kind of warning about language usage.. What is this?? First Baptist Symantec Church.. Oh no someone said the F word my mind just exploded..

Who? Are you saying I did? I don't care what you say, as long as it's factual.

 

[carnage519]

Bradtech, thanks for the information.. I also run run Kaspersky for mail, and NOD32 for clients.. It was nice to get away from a Mcafee/Symantec environment that we had here.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: Bradtechonline
lol @ trying to get me banned because I use profanity on a forum without a language filter, or any kind of warning about language usage.. What is this?? First Baptist Symantec Church.. Oh no someone said the F word my mind just exploded..

Just curious...are you six, maybe seven years-old? I'd be sure of it had you not been talking about your job.

NAV 2009 has made a pretty big "splash" in these forums...these aren't the only people backing it up. Sorry if you haven't taken 5 seconds to read the main thread about it. Sorry if you're too stubborn to accept other's opinions just because you want to hold on to past experiences.

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: bsobel
Id recommend NAV 2009 or NIS 2009 along with http://www.nortonlabs.com/inthelab/uac.php to deal with UAC...

:thumbsup:

I was hesitant at trying it, but I highly suggest others give it a try.