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Vista >Officially< Went Gold Today Nov 8

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Bozo Galora

Diamond Member
The final build number = 6000.16386.061101-2205

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4825

According to several reports, Microsoft pulled some overtime during the weekend and has finished Windows Vista.

The specific release to manufacturing (RTM) date has been up in the air ever since the release of Windows Vista RC2. Following some showstopping bugs, Microsoft was forced to delay its RTM date two weeks from October 25 to November 8.

Long time Microsoft aficionado Paul Thurrott wrote in a WinInfo update that Windows Vista would be hitting RTM status today, a full two days earlier than anticipated.

"My sources at the software giant confirmed this weekend that Microsoft is set to finalize Windows Vista as early as Monday and release the product to manufacturing. The final build number is expected to be 6000.16386.061101-2205, I'm told."

Windows Vista may have been finalized even earlier if it weren't for several late-appearing bugs which need to be squished, and another issue which was less usual -- a power outage Friday evening prevented the Windows team from creating a new Vista build that night.

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Updated - see my post on next page

 
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: InlineFive
Very cool, hopefully this will show up on bittorant soon. 🙂
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fixed. 😛
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I really wouldn't expect RTM versions of Vista on BT until discs are released to customers, no? How else would it make it there?
 
how would it get to P2P?
simple - its leaked
by who?
somebody at MS
yeppers, thats right, peeps who work for MS
or, how about the guys at the stamping plants?
what about the workers at Dell and HP and Gateway??
think they dont want a working $400 vista DVD??
But the disc is worthless without a workable key
So what do they do??
😛

Should be interesting to see just how long it takes to hit the streets
 
Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
how would it get to P2P?
simple - its leaked
by who?
somebody at MS
yeppers, thats right, peeps who work for MS
or, how about the guys at the stamping plants?
what about the workers at Dell and HP and Gateway??
think they dont want a working $400 vista DVD??
But the disc is worthless without a keygen and an activator
So what do they do??
😛

Should be interesting to see just how long it takes to hit the streets
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actually there is already a hack out that'll let you use your beta key and does in fact activate. (not going to go into detail but it basically involves overwriting some licensing files in the RTM version with those of the beta) however, with this hack, vista will stop working in june, just like the beta would. 😛
 
that is correct.
legitimate [received from ms] beta keys dont work on pre-rtm like 5840 or 5920.
these require rtm keys, final or otherwise
but vista pre-rtm versions were never offered to public, not supposed to be used at all.
as might be expected, a clever guy figured out how to put 5744 beta "files" to overwrite same on 5840 allowing beta keys to work and auto activate pre-rtm
and, it is still to be seen if retail will have different more substantial anti-piracy modality
and, I am actually unsure if the beta keys will be good until Jun 07, since during XP, the beta keys were nullified instantly after retail became avail.
All this is irrelevant since no-one will want 5840 or 5920 once 6000 comes out
Thats just the way it is.

As it turns out, I have a business, and have to buy legit Vista's - no choice for me.
Still waiting on whats the deal for Corp. VLK.
However, I do keep an eye on whats happening out there - lol

 
This really doesnt apply to the folks here, but I'll post it anyway:

Microsoft's Vista not looking so pretty
By CHARLIE PASCHAL
Special to The State
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/business/15946778.htm

Vista, Microsoft's new operating system due early next year has several "time bombs" waiting for unsuspecting users.

Consider these:

? There is no release date, but it's certain to be in 2007

? Microsoft plans several versions, some of them not suited for home users, some not suited for business users.

? Manufacturers plan to offer "upgrade coupons" with systems sold during the holiday but what that means is not certain.

? Hardware requirements for the best version are high.

? Buying a computer that is "Vista Capable or Ready" just may not be that ready, especially for the more advanced features.

? A "capable" system means only that the system can "run," Vista, perhaps not a pleasant experience.

? "Gamers" should be very, very cautious because the most expensive version of Vista should use high-end hardware.

? Upgrades can be tricky and deadly. Using a system for a few months with XP -- and getting spyware and Trojan Horses -- mean that an upgrade inherits the problems. A clean install of Vista would be the recommendation but how many normal users can handle that? Not many.

? Vista memory -- both for the system and video card -- is critical. Not enough for either one and your new system will probably run like a pig, meaning you won't be happy.

? Be very wary of any system sold with the "starter" edition of Vista. It's not meant for the US but that doesn't mean that some vendors won't sell it and it's severely crippled.

Many systems sold today share memory between the system and the video card, and probably shouldn't be upgraded to Vista.

Some basic hardware requirements:

? Memory bottom line for system memory: one gigabyte or more.

? Bottom line for video card: 256 megabytes.

? No shared video. Ask the sales person if the system has a separate video card. If it doesn't, then move on.

? You may have to buy a new monitor to use some of the most advanced features of Vista. Ask if one comes with the system.

You want to know what would be best? Either stick with the operating system that comes with any purchases before Vista hits the street or wait to buy one that actually COMES with Vista installed. There's just too many variables -- unless you do a clean install or decide on the specific Vista version you need beforehand.

 
Originally posted by: archcommus
Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: InlineFive
Very cool, hopefully this will show up on bittorant soon. 🙂
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fixed. 😛
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I really wouldn't expect RTM versions of Vista on BT until discs are released to customers, no? How else would it make it there?
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the same way music cds leak before they're released.
 
Paschal's article is idiotic. Watch as I answer every question that he has and comment or refute every problem he brings out.


Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
This really doesnt apply to the folks here, but I'll post it anyway:

Microsoft's Vista not looking so pretty
By CHARLIE PASCHAL
Special to The State
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/business/15946778.htm

Vista, Microsoft's new operating system due early next year has several "time bombs" waiting for unsuspecting users.

Consider these:

? There is no release date, but it's certain to be in 2007
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Sure there is. January 30, 2007.

Microsoft plans several versions, some of them not suited for home users, some not suited for business users.
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And this is a problem why? Furthermore, every version that's available to individuals is suitable for home users, assuming that XP Pro is suitable to home users. Unless "home user" automatically means that you need to attach your PC to your TV.

? Manufacturers plan to offer "upgrade coupons" with systems sold during the holiday but what that means is not certain.
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Sure we know what it means. MS released the information a few days (a week or more?) back. XP Home to Home Basic or Home Premium for a fee +S&H, XP Pro to Business for S&H, XP MCE to Home Premium for S&H

? Hardware requirements for the best version are high.
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As they have been for every previous Windows when it was released. This isn't a new issue; you just haven't bought a computer with an OS other than XP in 5 years, and most computers now work perfectly well with XP- 5 years later.

? Buying a computer that is "Vista Capable or Ready" just may not be that ready, especially for the more advanced features.
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Which is why there's a difference between "Vista Ready" and "Vista Premium Ready." One is capable of more advanced features, one is not. Can you guess which is which?

? A "capable" system means only that the system can "run," Vista, perhaps not a pleasant experience.
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Once again, true of XP as well. The fact that now, 5 years later, it's relatively hard to find a new OEM computer with less than 512MB of RAM is a new thing. 5 years ago, it was standard to have less than that, and "run" was not a pleasant experience.

? "Gamers" should be very, very cautious because the most expensive version of Vista should use high-end hardware.
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"Gamers" already use high-end hardware. And believe it or not, Vista doesn't need an x1900xtx or a 7900gtx or whatever else to run well.

? Upgrades can be tricky and deadly. Using a system for a few months with XP -- and getting spyware and Trojan Horses -- mean that an upgrade inherits the problems. A clean install of Vista would be the recommendation but how many normal users can handle that? Not many.
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Every normal user can handle that, quite easily. You stick the Vista disc in. If it's an upgrade version, it asks for a copy of the XP disc. Then it asks for Vista again. Then it does everything on its own. Furthermore, upgrading a system from pre-XP to XP presents the same problems.

? Vista memory -- both for the system and video card -- is critical. Not enough for either one and your new system will probably run like a pig, meaning you won't be happy.
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And once again, the same is true of XP, at least for system. Run with less than 512MB and you'll be at a crawl.

? Be very wary of any system sold with the "starter" edition of Vista. It's not meant for the US but that doesn't mean that some vendors won't sell it and it's severely crippled.
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Watch for illegal versions of Vista.

Um, duh? You probably shouldn't be getting illegal versions of XP either.

Many systems sold today share memory between the system and the video card, and probably shouldn't be upgraded to Vista.

Some basic hardware requirements:

? Memory bottom line for system memory: one gigabyte or more.

? Bottom line for video card: 256 megabytes.

? No shared video. Ask the sales person if the system has a separate video card. If it doesn't, then move on.
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Just out of curiosity, I went to Dell to see what they were offering. Guess what? They don't offer a desktop with less than 512MB of ram.

? You may have to buy a new monitor to use some of the most advanced features of Vista. Ask if one comes with the system.
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Wait, you need a monitor with the system? And this is different from now...how?

You want to know what would be best? Either stick with the operating system that comes with any purchases before Vista hits the street or wait to buy one that actually COMES with Vista installed. There's just too many variables -- unless you do a clean install or decide on the specific Vista version you need beforehand.
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Congradulations for writing the most moronic tech article of all time, Paschal.

And congrats to Bozo for my morning entertainment 🙂
 
Originally posted by: masteraleph
Paschal's article is idiotic. Watch as I answer every question that he has and comment or refute every problem he brings out.
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Congratulations, uber-fanboi.
 
parts of it were...

but you DO need a new monitor for some features (Not MS's fault imho)

and a clean install IS that tough (Vista is better then XP though) for an "average" user
 
Originally posted by: spyordie007
Originally posted by: nweaver
not up on my MSDN yet
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I wouldn't expect it for a couple of weeks yet...
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Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
Windows Vista and Office 2007: Availability on MSDN Subscriber Downloads
Windows Vista and Office 2007 will be available through MSDN Subscriber downloads within 7 days of release to manufacture (RTM). MSDN Subscriptions is committed to making new content available to our subscribers as soon as is practical.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/default.aspx
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this actually makes a lot of sense. MSDN is for developers to test their applications for problems/compatibility. We need this ASAP, and have been using beta versions for almost a year. Giving this to the development community early (like they are) is good.
 
Software Windows Vista Goes Gold
Brandon Hill (Blog) - November 8, 2006 2:00 PM

Microsoft wraps up development of Windows Vista

Microsoft announced today that Windows Vista has been released to manufacturing. Vista will mark the first big shift in Microsoft consumer operating systems in over 5 years.

With Vista, Microsoft promises increased security with an improved firewall and Windows Defender and User Account Control. Other fresh additions include integrated desktop search, Internet Explorer 7.0, Windows Sidebar, Windows Sideshow, built-in system diagnostics, improved gaming support, fully integrated Speech Recognition as well as support for Windows SuperFetch, Windows ReadyBoost and Windows ReadyDrive.

Windows Vista will be available in four distinct retail versions:

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According to Neowin, the RTM version of Vista will be available for MSDN subscribers sometime after November 10, while businesses should begin receiving their copies on or shortly after November 30. Vista will be launched into the retail sector on January 30, 2007.



 
Originally posted by: stash
You don't have to be a rabid fanboi to see that article was crap.
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I think he was saying that to make fun of his haughty-know-it-all attitude.

Originally posted by: meson2000
Do you think the OEM version will be out at places like Newegg before January?
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I doubt it as only MSDN and Volume License subscribers have access to Vista right now. NewEgg doesn't determine who gets Vista when, Microsoft does. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: InlineFive
Originally posted by: stash
You don't have to be a rabid fanboi to see that article was crap.
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I think he was saying that to make fun of his haughty-know-it-all attitude.

Originally posted by: meson2000
Do you think the OEM version will be out at places like Newegg before January?
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I doubt it as only MSDN and Volume License subscribers have access to Vista right now. NewEgg doesn't determine who gets Vista when, Microsoft does. 🙂
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I understand that. However, if Microsoft is releasing Vista to businesses on Nov 30th, could that mean that the OEM version could make it out before January?
 
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