Vista oem

[JK949]

Has anybody heard or read what the latest is on Vista OEM versions you can buy
at the local pc shop. I have a PC Club near me and they don't have any idea when
Microsoft is releasing the OEM system builder versions.

 

[Mem]

I know my preorder of OEM Vista Home Premium(in the UK btw) has been delayed until the 30th Jan,this is due to Microsoft and not the company I ordered it from.

 

[aimforsilence]

so the OEM'S are coming out day one with vista's release or a week or 2 after??? and are the prices going to be same as the XP OEM'S??

 

[Seekermeister]

Even if I were to have a mental breakdown, and decided to buy Vista, I would never buy OEM again, especially from PC Club. Because that is where I bought my MCE OEM, and when I found that one of the CDs was corrupt, neither PC Club or MS would do anything about it. Buying OEM is like buying a grab bag.

 

[Mem]

so the OEM'S are coming out day one with vista's release or a week or 2 after??? and are the prices going to be same as the XP OEM'S??

Should be around 30th for official release to the public,as to prices , they seem to be around same price as XP software,I have seen slight differences in OEM prices, so shop around for best value.

Retail and OEM versions will be released same time to the public(at least according to the online store I ordered from).

 

[Nothinman]

Because that is where I bought my MCE OEM, and when I found that one of the CDs was corrupt, neither PC Club or MS would do anything about it. Buying OEM is like buying a grab bag.

Just sounds to me like the PC Club people are dicks, there's nothing inherently wrong with OEM software and PC Club should have replaced the media if what they sold you was bad.

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Because that is where I bought my MCE OEM, and when I found that one of the CDs was corrupt, neither PC Club or MS would do anything about it. Buying OEM is like buying a grab bag.

Just sounds to me like the PC Club people are dicks, there's nothing inherently wrong with OEM software and PC Club should have replaced the media if what they sold you was bad.

That is quite possible, but they claimed that it was MS's policy, not their's. MS said that I had to go back to the manufacturer for the problem, like this is an OEM computer, instead of a DIY. The end result was that I had to get a replacement disk elsewhere.

 

[Nothinman]

That is quite possible, but they claimed that it was MS's policy, not their's. MS said that I had to go back to the manufacturer for the problem, like this is an OEM computer, instead of a DIY. The end result was that I had to get a replacement disk elsewhere.

Well the MS response should have been expected, the whole point of OEM software is for MS to push the support requirements onto the vendor that sold you the hardware+software combo. MS has a policy stating that OEMs are supposed to give you restore discs instead of full Windows installation discs, so if they sold you the full disc initially they were already violationg that policy.

 

[aimforsilence]

Originally posted by: Mem

so the OEM'S are coming out day one with vista's release or a week or 2 after??? and are the prices going to be same as the XP OEM'S??

Should be around 30th for official release to the public,as to prices , they seem to be around same price as XP software,I have seen slight differences in OEM prices, so shop around for best value.

Retail and OEM versions will be released same time to the public(at least according to the online store I ordered from).

good to know, looking forward to the upgrade.... i've ran both beta 1 and 2 and both rc's.. and liked it.. so thats all i have to say!

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Well the MS response should have been expected, the whole point of OEM software is for MS to push the support requirements onto the vendor that sold you the hardware+software combo. MS has a policy stating that OEMs are supposed to give you restore discs instead of full Windows installation discs, so if they sold you the full disc initially they were already violationg that policy.

I this were true, then it wouldn't be possible to buy full OEM disks at just about any vender in the country. The label on the packing said that it was no longer required to sell it with a piece of hardware, as long as the package had not been opened. I do not think that you can consider venders such as PC Club, Newegg, Tigerdirect, etc. as being OEMs. Obviously, they do not have restore disks.

 

[Nothinman]

I this were true, then it wouldn't be possible to buy full OEM disks at just about any vender in the country. The label on the packing said that it was no longer required to sell it with a piece of hardware, as long as the package had not been opened. I do not think that you can consider venders such as PC Club, Newegg, Tigerdirect, etc. as being OEMs. Obviously, they do not have restore disks.

OEM software is one of those grey areas that MS doesn't seem to want to upset by pressing these issues.

 

[JK949]

When I say OEM I mean the system builder version. It comes in a padded envelope
from Microsoft and is sealed with a tamper proof seal. I have bought 3 XP Home versions at PC Club and never had any problem with them. That's what I'm waiting for. They are
allot cheaper than the retail boxed version and don't have all the extra
junk that comes on the consumer version. XP Home OEM is about $85.00 compared
with the retail boxed full version at well over twice that. Anybody know when Microsoft
starts sending out the oem stuff to places like PC Club, Microcenter, Fry's ect....
Those are the retail places I would normally go to pick up a pack of zip ties and an oem copy
of Windows XP .

 

[Seekermeister]

The "system builder" version that you spoke of, is what I bought. Obviously, I would not expect that to get a bad disk is common, so it really doesn't matter how many times that you have done this successfully, if you get a bad batch. I could be wrong, but I got the impression that "system builder" did not mean simply a person building their own system, like you or I.

 

[JK949]

One last try at my original question. Does anybody know when local BIY shops
will be getting the OEM versions they will use to put thier brands together.
PC Club's sell Enpower systems, Microcenter sells PowerSpec and both have
been legally selling the OEM disks to the public when you buy any hardware.
Even a little case fan qualifies as hardware at PC Club.

Anybody ??????????

 

[Seekermeister]

I can't answer your question, but PC Club did not require me to buy anything extra to buy the OEM.

 

[Mem]

I can't answer your question, but PC Club did not require me to buy anything extra to buy the OEM.

In my experience it depends on the dealer/store in question,some require you to buy an item,while others don't(I did not need to buy anything on my preorder of OEM Vista HP 64 bit).

 

[Nothinman]

I can't answer your question, but PC Club did not require me to buy anything extra to buy the OEM.

That's even shadier, OEM software is supposed to be sold only with hardware since it's supposed to only be sold by equipment manufacturers.

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

I can't answer your question, but PC Club did not require me to buy anything extra to buy the OEM.

That's even shadier, OEM software is supposed to be sold only with hardware since it's supposed to only be sold by equipment manufacturers.

As I said previously, the MS label on the package said that it was no longer required for it to be sold with other hardware, as long as the package had not been opened.

 

[Nothinman]

As I said previously, the MS label on the package said that it was no longer required for it to be sold with other hardware, as long as the package had not been opened.

Again, that seems pretty shady. You do know what OEM is an acronym for, right?

 

[Seekermeister]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

As I said previously, the MS label on the package said that it was no longer required for it to be sold with other hardware, as long as the package had not been opened.

Again, that seems pretty shady. You do know what OEM is an acronym for, right?

What does my knowledge of OEM have to do with the subject at hand. You insist that selling the software without hardware is shady, but if it is, then MS is the author of it , because it is their policy, not a law carved in stone.

 

[Nothinman]

What does my knowledge of OEM have to do with the subject at hand. You insist that selling the software without hardware is shady, but if it is, then MS is the author of it , because it is their policy, not a law carved in stone.

Because OEM stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer which tells me that anyone selling OEM software should be an Equipment Manufacturer. If someone is selling OEM software without hardware they are most likely violating their distribution license with MS.

 

[Seekermeister]

Regardless of the definition of OEM, it is no secret to MS that every vender in the country, that deals with software, is selling OEM OSs over the counter, without hardware. They cannot be in violation of any license if MS authorizes it, and according to MS's own packaging, it is authorized. I would suggest that OEM, as you have defined it, is merely a holdover from days gone by. The label does specify something about "system builders", but does not define what that means. Therefore, anyone building their own computer could be termed a system builder.

 

[Nothinman]

Doubtful, it's more likely that MS just has no reason to go after them right now. Why should they stop people from selling Windows when the more copies of Windows available, the better for them?

 

[Seekermeister]

I don't understand why you call it "doubtful", because I have told you what their labeling says. I would upload a copy of the label, but I have thrown the package away. However, you can go to any local computer store, and ask to see it for yourself. I will also add that I called MS in May of last year, before buying x64, to ask for clarification on the various forms in which their OSs were distributed, and the rep that I spoke to also verified what I have said.

 

[SanDiegoPC]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Because that is where I bought my MCE OEM, and when I found that one of the CDs was corrupt, neither PC Club or MS would do anything about it. Buying OEM is like buying a grab bag.

Just sounds to me like the PC Club people are dicks, there's nothing inherently wrong with OEM software and PC Club should have replaced the media if what they sold you was bad.

Yea. I have been buying and selling OEM software for ten years. Never had an issue. Stinks that he got stuck with a bad disk though. There is no support.